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Msg #35500 Dated 8:39:07 02-29-92 35480 <--> 35524
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
It should be the "opening" anthem at the MAGIC! Session at 5 on
Friday. Now you need the words to the Death March following the
Great Thumb Tip Off!!!
Msg #35501 Dated 8:39:12 02-29-92 35481 <--> 35534
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
It's your choice dude...
Msg #35505 Dated 9:26:15 02-29-92 35060 <--> 35530
From: STEPHEN OSBORN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Thanks Kevin. When you go as member bringing guests do the guests need
to pay the $7.50 admission? I also do not understand the parking
arranment.
If I live in the LA area exactly what are the membership fees?
I am planning to go on a guest pass for my aniversiry in April. Hope
to see some of you there.
Msg #35506 Dated 9:33:30 02-29-92 35367 <--> 35507
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 33
Boy, being a spouse myself for a number of years, I do understand that.
How's Nathan?
Msg #35507 Dated 9:34:25 02-29-92 35379 <--> 35508
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 33
No problem. Spent all day yesterday with him and he dropped me at my
front door step at 2:30a.m. this morning. What a great guy. He has
helped me with my act and in just three days given me more direction
and ideas than I have come up with in a year. He will be here till
Wed. and then he's off to Vegas. He will be at the DMS, so I'm sure
you can run into him there. But I'm going to havce brunch with him
tomorrow at the Castle, so I'll tell him "HI" for you.
Msg #35508 Dated 9:37:47 02-29-92 35380 <--> 35521
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 33
Thanks. Spent last night at the Castle with Frank and Mark Wilson.
Seeing how's it was their T.V. show that got me really interested in
this biz, I don't think I could have had a better time. Also Marvin
Stern, Bruce Sandercock and the gang gave me a bit of of a Birthday
wish at lunch yesterday. It looks like I'm having a three day birthday
bash. What a GREAT weekend!!!! Best birthday I can remember.
Msg #35510 Dated 9:45:05 02-29-92 35398 <--> 35709
From: MIKE KING
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FOLLOW THE BOUNCING BALL
Glad to hear Rebecca is better.
Msg #35512 Dated 9:52:55 02-29-92 35259 <--> 35520
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
David,
Good luck. When someone of Nathan's age has such an interest in
ANY subject, it should be nurtured in any way possible.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35513 Dated 9:53:02 02-29-92 35262 <--> 35517
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
David,
Okay, here's another I've been working on.
I come out juggling gold-painted ping-pong balls. I ask the
audience if they know why juggling is considered part of the
magician's realm. Since jugglers are supposed to be so free
about teaching their methods, it seems that jugglers and
magicians are miles apart.
Then I tell them that I am here to expose a fraud. It seems that
jugglers only teach enough that it seems like you should be able
to do it. With enough time, and skill. But the truth is that
jugglers go down to the juggling store (a very elite, and
esoteric place) and buy one of these. As I say that, I quit
juggling, but with the last throw, the ping-pong ball stays in
the air about 8-12 inches away from my hands.
I manipulate the ball for a while (practising this even now) then
have the ball jump into the audience for inspection. When the
audience member is done inspecting, I have him/her toss me the
ball back, and before it gets to my hands, it does its little
stay in the air trick again. Finally, it gently settles down
into my hand. I haven't really come up with a good closing
patter yet.
Comments?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35514 Dated 9:53:16 02-29-92 35269 <--> 35546
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
David,
Has Nathan gotten over the impression that mom and dad know
everything?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35515 Dated 9:53:24 02-29-92 35279 <--> 35516
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Pete,
Are you going to share your Flosso story with us?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35516 Dated 9:53:31 02-29-92 35285 <--> 35518
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Pete,
There were about 20 references from ol' Tomaso. Do you want them
all? Do you need them translated?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35517 Dated 9:53:39 02-29-92 35289 <--> 35519
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
Cut thumb is really not my style, but may try it out anyways. I
don't know if I can make it work, but nothing ventured....
Thanks for the info!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35518 Dated 9:53:47 02-29-92 35293 <--> 35561
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Pete,
I can go check out the books in question. My smattering
knowledge of foreign languages won't be of much use, but maybe I
can get someone to translate for me.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35519 Dated 9:53:55 02-29-92 35294 <--> 35545
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
I understand that in the hands of a fool, the best effects are
worthless, and in the hands of a master, even the simplest,
stupidest effects can be made to seem a miracle.
So assume I'm somewhere in between.
More than anything, I'd like some opinions from the board members
about what works and what doesn't. I'll describe an effect, and
people with experience in such things can give me an idea of what
they feel will work, what won't, what might help, what to look
out for. I'm hoping to take advantage of the incredible amount
of performing experience of the members of the board.
I'd like to have your comments, but if you feel you can't, that's
alright too. You're still welcome to the guest room.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35520 Dated 9:54:06 02-29-92 35295 <--> 35531
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pete,
I have a friend who wrote a program to design Tesla coils in
Quick Basic on the IBM. He is very interested in getting a copy
into Mac. I don't have Quick Basic for the Mac. I'm just
looking for someone to take an IBM disk, and translate it into a
Mac format (I can do that part) then take that info and import it
into Quick Basic and see if it runs. ( He says he has followed
all the conventions for it to run on both machines, but having
translated a BUNCH of programs from one to the other...Well, I'll
believe it when I see it.)
Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35521 Dated 9:54:16 02-29-92 35304 <--> 35543
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: 33
Mike,
Don't worry, we won't tell anyone about Sunday.
But...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!
You should go to club 33 at Disneyland this year.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35522 Dated 9:54:24 02-29-92 35377 <--> 35547
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
David,
I just received a copy of "Classic Renditions #1" and have
enjoyed it thoroughly. I'm carrying my gaff around with me
everywhere.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35524 Dated 9:54:40 02-29-92 35406 <--> 35538
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
David,
For what office?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35525 Dated 9:54:47 02-29-92 35451 <--> 35528
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKED
David,
How much is costing T. A.'s tape? Where would I get it?
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35526 Dated 9:55:12 02-29-92 35485 <--> 35552
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
Nope, no plastic cover over the keyboard. But we keep the hard drive
in a baggie.
Msg #35527 Dated 9:56:43 02-29-92 35486 <--> 35568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Argh! (tm - Biro). I HATE this challenge idea. What time does the
MAGIC! session officially end?
Msg #35528 Dated 9:57:42 02-29-92 35493 <--> 35529
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKED
Yeah, the Winter ones! Gads! You mean I missed 'em? I thought they
were next year!
Msg #35529 Dated 9:58:18 02-29-92 35525 <--> 35569
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SKED
Best way to get T. A.'s tape would be to enquire of him via private
message. He may have one or two left.
Msg #35530 Dated 10:01:58 02-29-92 35505 <--> 35542
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Stephen,
No, if the member is with them, the guests don't need to pay.
I will make you the same offer that Stan Lake made for me.
Anytime you want to go, give a call or leave a message, and I'll
see if I can't make it down and give you the tour.
I don't know if other's fees are the same, but mine are $220 for
initiation and first year's dues. $120/year thereafter.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35531 Dated 9:59:51 02-29-92 35498 <--> 35532
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
My best current thought is to use the "purloined letter" technique.
Let Joe put Nathan in the Golden Circle and have him introduced from
the stage as the World's Youngest Magician. He stands up and takes a
bow, everyone claps, and he's legit! What'ya think?
Msg #35532 Dated 10:03:27 02-29-92 35512 <--> 35566
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I agree - if he's interested, he should have the support of the
community. I'll try to talk some more to Joe.
Msg #35534 Dated 10:32:30 02-29-92 35501 <--> 35683
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
Mashed potatoes!
Msg #35535 Dated 10:23:29 02-29-92 -> 35571
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
Hi Pete! Cy's message about Irv brought back some wonderful memories,
as Mr. Fingers is one of the people I greatly admire from my early
exposure to magic. In 1978 Irv worked my home town college, back in
West Virginia - Bluefield State College. (BTW, this is the college
that Jay Marshall went to, of all places!) I had a color changing
knife in my pocket when he offered to show a group of students
something special after the show. Irv asked to borrow a knife, and I
whipped that sucker out thinking to myself, "He's gonna' LOVE this!
He'll borrow the knife, make it change colors, and then give it back.
What a trick!"
Well, he smiled when he got the knife, did a very casual paddle move,
then opened the blade and started cutting his thumb! BLEW ME AWAY! He
casually closed the knife and returned it, as someone else confirmed
that he was really bleeding. Needless to say, after Irv healed
himself, I didn't bother to point out that "Hey, and my KNIFE has
changed colors, too!" No, no. I was a BELIEVER - HAL-LA LOU-YA
BROTHER.
It was 5 years before I found out that Irv wasn't a god. (Course, I
suspected all along it was a trick...) Vernon tipped the work to me,
as shown to him by some guy from India. I'm a little surprised you
tipped some of the info here, but I'll add some of what I've come up
with since then, as long as the topic has been brought up.
There are a couple of draw backs to using your own blood. One - it
hurts. Two - it isn't sterile. And Three - it hurts.
The bad news is: the effect is best if you bleed. The good news is:
there are a lot of medical reasons for wanting to draw blood, in safe,
portable, disposable ways. The Autolet Mark II was created by Ulster
Scientific, who says "We realize that accidental patient blood contact
is a real concern among all medical people today. That's why we've
improved the Autolet and proudly introudce the Autolet Mark II, the
safest way yet to obtain a small blood sample. Now the technician,
nurse, doctor or magician doesn't have to worry about accidental
contact with a used needle or platform. All contaminated parts can be
removed without touching them - safely and easily."
Autolet is very small, entirely self contained, and produces an
instant, high speed penetration to a precise depth every time. Just a
touch against your skin, and you get an almost painless drop of blood.
There are some other, important points, but a large part of what's
left is delivery. (Occasionally speaking in Tongues might be a nice
convincer...8*))
Msg #35536 Dated 10:36:22 02-29-92 -> 35548
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
David - I just wanted to say THANK YOU for such a wonderful review!
One thing you mentioned, in particular, pleased me. It was about how
these might even surpass private lessons. Of course, we both know that
the main value of personal instructions is the feedback the student
gets on how well THEY are doing. That's important, and something a
commercial video can't do. (someone taping THEMSELVES is different)
But teachers are only human, and in live instruction it is possible
they'll forget this or that point, or for a variety of other reasons,
the value of those personal instructions might be limited. But with
video, you get to carefully script every important point, you get to
edit out any techniques that don't meet your standards, and you get to
consider still other factors that influence the learning process and
the acquiring of technical skills.
Also, with video - as opposed to personal instruction - you have the
chance to show them the techniques FROM THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE, as
opposed to a mirror image. This can be pretty tricky to do, but if you
can figure out how to film from the personal perspective, it is very
effective for communicating the technique to the viewer.
The main thing that excited me about the C.R. series was the hope that
I could live up to the potential of video as a learning tool -
something I didn't feel had been done yet, with magic instruction. It
wasn't so that I could reveal the same secrets I had already written
about, just doing it on a different medium, so that I could sell it
again! No, not at all. Everyone who has seen the tapes acknowledges
that this is another level of learning tool, altogether. I wanted to
enable those that care to effectively plant technical perfection deeply
into their subconscious mind, and this is the best way I've found for
doing this, so far. With the techniques delegated to the subconscious
mind, their conscious mind will be able to focus on who THEY are, WHO
they are PERFORMING FOR, and WHERE the performance is taking place.
Anyway, whether your message had been public or private, it is always
satisfying to feel that someone understood what the point of the
product was! Thank you!
BTW, speaking of "living up to the potential of the concept," I had the
pleasure of seeing someone do this recently. His name is Tony Chapek,
and if you attend the awards banquet, or visit the Castle that week,
you'll probably be very happy for him - for what he's done, and for
yourself, for being able to enjoy it!
Msg #35538 Dated 10:57:06 02-29-92 35500 <--> 35539
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Yeah, Biro, they could carry you out to the Death March. I gotta tell
you, I really don't wanna do this challenge bit, BUT if you insist, I
WILL WIN. Believe it.
Msg #35539 Dated 10:58:07 02-29-92 35524 <--> 35575
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
President.
Msg #35540 Dated 11:01:23 02-29-92 35496 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THURS
Understand that it ended. Remember, you can put today in the past
tomorrow.
Msg #35542 Dated 11:04:57 02-29-92 35530 <--> 35558
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Small correction - there is no $7.50 door charge per guest IF the
member is present and if there are no more than 8 people in the party.
If you arrive with 12 folks (including the member), you pay 4 x $7.50
for the extra folks. I think that there may be some way around that by
working with banquet manager, but I'm not sure.
Msg #35543 Dated 11:06:55 02-29-92 35506 <--> 35549
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: 33
Let's see -- things I found out yesterday -- you can use a can of
compressed air to quickly dust furniture; a garden hose works OK on
dishes; and you can save washing at least one cup by sticking flowers
in it.
Nathan is doing fine, thank you. He's watching a video on clowning
right now.
Msg #35545 Dated 11:16:20 02-29-92 35513 <--> 35560
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Kevin - that sounds GREAT!!! Superb!!! As to a close, you could
consider pausing for applause and then starting to walk off, leaving
the ball hanging. Then act chagrined, turn back around and retrieve
it. Just a thought.
Msg #35546 Dated 11:18:06 02-29-92 35514 <--> 35741
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I'm never too sure what Nathan's impression of his parents is. But I
think that sometimes we surprise him. Last week he turned to me and
said, "Did you ever hear any Zydeco music?" And I walked over to the
CD's and produced Michael Doucet & Beausoleil, Maurice Barzas & The
Mamou Playboys, etc. He just stared at me.
But, on the whole, I think he figures that there is a lot we don't
know. The next step is when we convince him he's wrong!
Msg #35547 Dated 11:29:43 02-29-92 35522 <--> 35707
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
As you could tell, I think the entire Classic Renditions series is
superb.
Msg #35548 Dated 11:30:58 02-29-92 35536 <--> 35739
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
The point you make about the scripting overcoming the human tendancy to
forget to say something, and the ability to see clearly from the
student's perspective, are indeed a couple of the reasons I think so
highly of the Classic Renditions series.
They are beautifully done, Michael.
Msg #35549 Dated 11:36:25 02-29-92 35521 <--> 35550
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: 33
Yea, me and Michael Jackson. I share birthdays with a few clebs,
including a personal friend Ron Howard. Will talk with him tomorrow
morning. To bad he's in New York or we'd rent Disneyland. HA! Thanks
for the birthday wishes. MIKE.
Msg #35550 Dated 11:38:16 02-29-92 35543 <--> 35554
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 33
You can always us the Tim Allen method of dusting. Duct tape all the
small stuff down and fire up to ol leaf blower. I used that method for
years and then I just got rid of all my furniture and belongings and
now just vaccum (sp) the everything. With no furniture clean-up is
fast. You ought to call Mark Wilson. He told me last night Nani's out
of town and he's making a mess of his place too. HA! Catch ya later.
Msg #35552 Dated 13:00:31 02-29-92 35439 <--> 35555
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
Dave, (and Pete), In probably their only intelligent act this
year, the Department of Energy (my boss) just endorsed and bought
an UNLIMITED site license for "Disk Physician Plus", a virus
detection program, for all DOE and their contractor's computers.
With my luck, it IS the virus they're tring to protect us from!
David (the other one)
Msg #35554 Dated 13:33:00 02-29-92 35550 <--> 35559
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: 33
I need to get in touch with Mark (Wilson). We talked a few weeks ago
and I'm supposed to follow up. If he's baching it, do you think he can
still find the phone?
Msg #35555 Dated 13:35:16 02-29-92 35552 <--> 35567
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
That is a very wise move on DOE's part. I don't know anything about
the quality of "Disk Physician Plus," but certainly DOE should be very
careful! The government in general is fond of gigantic site license
deals and, for most of 'em, they require that the vendor furnish
computer based training to go with the product. That makes me very
happy! I've done several of the government required CBT's.
Msg #35557 Dated 13:57:40 02-29-92 -> 35577
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: POEMS
The poems that have been appearing and all the talk about Nathan's
meatball, brought to mind an old poem. Don't know who wrote it, but it
is on my coffee mug...
" As I awoke this morning
When all sweet things are born
A robin perched upon my sill
To signal the coming morn
The bird was fragile, young and gay
So sweetly did it sing
That thoughts of joy and happiness
Within my heart did sing
It hummed a lovely song so softly
And paused for a moment's lull
I gently pulled the window down
And crushed its frigging skull."
Msg #35558 Dated 15:09:14 02-29-92 35505 <--> 35620
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
According the the "Guest Card" I have in my possession, there is
a $7.50 "entrance" charge per person coming in on a card. However,
when accompanying a member, NO CHARGE. (I hope I am right on this,
and if not will someone else JUMP IN HERE)... BUT I have never
had to have anyone pay when they come in with me. Or meet me there.
.
As to dues? I don't know. I am a life member and have been for
about 20 years... so don't know what the fees are.
.
Enjoy the joint!
Msg #35559 Dated 15:09:25 02-29-92 35507 <--> 35572
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: 33
Francis is supposed to have Vol. 4 of the Rice Encyclopedia done.
I wonder if it is ever going to be published? Boy would it sell.
But it would HAVE TO MATCH the others exactly.
Msg #35560 Dated 15:09:30 02-29-92 35513 <--> 35565
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You can do this without a vacuum cleaner in your pocket? hah.
.
How "gold" is the plating? Paint, or what? Does Micheal Moschen
know about this?
Msg #35561 Dated 15:09:36 02-29-92 35515 <--> 35562
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Maybe. But actually I have put it online about three times in the
past... argh... too tired right now. Just finished cleaning out
the garage so I can get the car in! Ha, a miracle if there ever
was one!
Msg #35562 Dated 15:09:42 02-29-92 35516 <--> 35564
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I don't know much about the dude,,,, ONLY, REPEAT, ONLY NEED ANY
REF ON THE LINKING RINGS. How does one do that? ARgh???
.
FLASH... FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK...
.
Just opened a letter (packet) from Europe. Claude Isbecque (KLINGSOR)
sent me photos (2) one of the recreation of the 1513 show for King
Henry Cinc, in Brussells, where (in 1513) the first-know description
of someone (DAMAUTAS) doing the linking rings appears.
.
Pix 2, is Klingsor WITH THE VERY SOLID SILVER (11 LBS) RINGS USED
THEN!!! Wowsoooo
Msg #35564 Dated 15:10:01 02-29-92 35518 <--> 35584
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
See earlier reply. Gracias.
Msg #35565 Dated 15:10:04 02-29-92 35519 <--> 35618
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Are you going to be at DMS? I would rather watch you do any little
thing there. Don't forget, Magic-ers... there is an impromptu
session on Thursday that we should all try to do at least 3 minutes
each at... How bout it dudes? And Dudettes?
Msg #35566 Dated 15:10:10 02-29-92 35520 <--> 35570
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Will print your message about Quck Basic and run it past the
experts at MICROTIMES. They are 12 feet away from my office. The
editor does the entire magazine on the new top of the line MAC
Power book... argh... I want one...
Msg #35567 Dated 15:10:16 02-29-92 35526 <--> 35579
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
Sick sick sick... argh ptoooie
Msg #35568 Dated 15:10:19 02-29-92 35527 <--> 35580
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
When the audience loses interest. I guess around 5:06 or so....
Msg #35569 Dated 15:10:22 02-29-92 35529 <--> 35581
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKED
And send money.
Msg #35570 Dated 15:10:25 02-29-92 35531 <--> 35578
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
He should do Zombie for about 45 seconds, then retire the trick.
Msg #35571 Dated 15:10:28 02-29-92 35535 <--> 35582
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
I guess I'm old fashioned. I just jam a needle or safety pin into
my thumb to set it... Still alive and well (er, fairly well).
Msg #35572 Dated 15:55:36 02-29-92 35554 <--> 35573
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 33
Don't know how long she's been gone. If only a week. Maybe he can
find it.
Msg #35573 Dated 15:56:15 02-29-92 35559 <--> 35702
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 33
According to him. Hank Lee bought the rights and was talking to others
about doing Vol. 4. But Frank HAS NOT been approached. He wasn't to
thrilled about someone else doing it. And if you mention it, don't
mention Rice. According to Mr. Martineaux, Rice was an _________. You
fill in the blank.
Msg #35575 Dated 16:19:44 02-29-92 35480 <--> 35583
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Sounds good to me. I'm always up to getting thrown out of a Hotel.
Msg #35577 Dated 17:47:36 02-29-92 35557 <--> 35619
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: POEMS
So that's the coffee cup that explains your attitude! I thought that
was so good that I called Anita in and read it to her.
Msg #35578 Dated 17:52:36 02-29-92 35570 <--> 35601
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Asa usual, you have a nugget of a great idea here, Biro! Nathan gets
intro'ed by MC. Then MC gets audience in frenzy to have him come up
and do something. He finally acquesses, goes up on stage and starts
Zombie. You run in from off stage, grab Zombie and FLATTEN IT. Think
Joe would stand for it?
Msg #35579 Dated 17:54:31 02-29-92 35567 <--> 35594
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
Hey, if you think keeping the hard drive in a baggie was sick, sick,
sick, you should have seen all the lines I thought of and rejected
about what we do with floppies.
Msg #35580 Dated 17:55:25 02-29-92 35568 <--> 35595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
BAH! I ask you an honest question about when the MAGIC! session is
scheduled to end, and I get a one-liner. You is worse than one of
those talking vending machines doing Henny Youngman.
Msg #35581 Dated 17:56:33 02-29-92 35569 <--> 35607
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKED
Oh, yeah, natch - if you want T. A.'s tape, sooner or later (depending
on when you want it) you gotta send him some money, but I don't
remember how much, so I figure dudes and dudettes that want it should
get in touch with him here via private mail and ask. Actually, I
shouldn't have brought the whole thing up - there is stuff on that tape
that is TOO good and I shoulda kept it close.
Msg #35582 Dated 17:58:16 02-29-92 35571 <--> 35596
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
About this bleeding thumb bit - you do it like for three shows a night
at the Castle?
Msg #35583 Dated 17:59:37 02-29-92 35575 <--> 35604
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
As best I can recall, I've only gotten thrown out of two places - one
was Googies (now gone) in Los Angeles and the other was a bar in
Underground Atlanta. In both cases it was my brother-in-law who got us
tossed. He has a tendancy to jump up on tables and sing.
There are a couple of places that, while I haven't been tossed out, I
haven't been let into either. One was a campgrounds in Orange County,
California, in the late 60's and the other was the entire country of
Mexico about 2 years later. Both of those rejections were do to long
hair.
Other than that, I seem to be able to get along in most places. Never
have seen the soap dispensing statue in the Castle's Lady's Room
though.
Msg #35585 Dated 18:20:06 02-29-92 -> 35747
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRANSFORMATION
ACK! I am supposed to meet you in an hour! ACK! I look like
Beetlejuice! Anybody who wants to see some REAL magic should be at my
house over the next half hour. LIVE! IN PERSON! See the Loch Ness
Monster change into an almost believable human being right before your
very eyes! She'll yank on her hair! She'll put on a face! She'll go
through her closet like Grant took Richmond! She'll find socks that
match (now that WOULD be magic!) See her scrounge for her thumbtip.
See her hunt for her cards. WILL STACEY DO ITy
Stay turned for further adventures!
Msg #35588 Dated 21:06:38 02-29-92 -> 35621
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: CATHOLICS
Fun times. Just returned from doing a show for 200
Catholics, for their annual Last Big Drunk Before Lent
party. This in Linton, Indiana, home town of Phil
Harris. How do you do one set of card tricks for 200
people? Speak slowly, hold the cards up so they can
see them, and use a wireless mike. Closeup magic?
Yeah, right.
Msg #35589 Dated 21:07:15 02-29-92 -> 35592
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Wow. What fun. I spent part of the afternoon digging
through my old record albums, a medium I haven't
visited in some time. Turns out we own FIVE Tom Glazer
albums, and five isn't much of a dent. Of these, TWO
of the ones we have use On Top of Spaghetti as a title.
The one I referred you to last night was "On Top of
Spaghetti and more songs children love to sing," by Tom
Glazer and the Do-Re-Me Children's Chorus. It's worth
having for Dunderbeck alone. The other is "Activity
and Game Songs Volume 2, On Top of Spaghetti," played
and sung by Tom Glazer with Hundreds of Children. Also
great stuff.
I played one of the albums and felt definitely
nostalgic for the days my kids were young. I did kid
shows in those days, and I must confess I miss them.
My kids grew up at about the time Sesame Street really
took off, and I think Sesame Street and Jim Henson
really opened things up for kids back then. I
attempted to follow his lead. To me, virtually 99.99
percent of every kid (magic) routine I've ever seen in
print should never be perpetrated on a live child. And
most of these are written by the so-called "big names"
of kid show entertainers. The routines all seem mired
in a sort of "fifties Sunday School mentality" view of
what kids are like, and they therefore ring false.
Something like a comedian doing a routine today about
how funny "women drivers" are. What Henson realized is
that kids are hip and honest, probably hipper than most
adults. Kids appreciate a certain amount of
irreverence, and they despise being talked down to.
The REAL children's entertainers, the ones who truly
make kids laugh rather than wince, are the ones who are
also entertaining to adults. Two of my favorites, that
I saw working the Sunday brunch show at the Castle, are
Rich Moratta and Mal Cross. Cross especially had lines
that he used for the Sunday/kid show only. Two that I
have NOT seen, but would love to, are Sheets and Spill.
When they ran the Brook Farm Inn of Magic, they would
do a special Saturday afternoon show for kids, serving
pizza instead of the regular Brook Farm meal. One
major rule: NO ADULTS ALLOWED. The adults had to drop
the kids off, or perhaps wait outside in the bar area.
I understand that Bob and Steve really got wild in
those shows. Another guy who says he wouldn't ever do
kid shows, but would absolutely slay kids, is Tom
Mullica. Leo Kostka does seances for kids, and they
love it, it's NEW stuff to them. Anyway, kid shows
seem to be one of the lesser thought of areas these
days, but perhaps this shouldn't be the case. A truly
successful show for kids would, of necessity, be an
entertaining show for any audience.
Msg #35591 Dated 21:27:17 02-29-92 35499 <--> 35599
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
What's amusing, of course, is when magic dealers and manufacturers get
the notion that the rest of showbiz runs with the same laissez-faire
attitude -- I am thinking of incidents where dealers used Henson or
Lucasfilm characters, and were surprised and hurt when those companies
dropped on them very hard indeed. It is fascinating how many of these
people don't seem to realize that creative work is private property.
Msg #35592 Dated 21:46:48 02-29-92 35589 <--> 35598
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I couldn't agree more with your comment re children's magic; I think
most of it is useless to performers and insulting to the children.
Most children appreciate "adult" magic just as well as older people,
and -- as you say -- if they sense they are being talked or performed
down to you are dead meat.
Msg #35593 Dated 22:51:57 02-29-92 -> 35628
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: ENDOCRYNOLOGIST? NO? THE
S
Er;35578
Joe will charge you for the use of the hall.
Msg #35594 Dated 22:52:04 02-29-92 35579 <--> 35609
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
Put Syrup and Butter on 'em?
Msg #35595 Dated 22:52:07 02-29-92 35580 <--> 35961
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Take my Line... Puleeze.
Msg #35596 Dated 22:52:10 02-29-92 35582 <--> 35597
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
No, two. Once on each hand... then it heals overnight. On the third
show I don't cut nuttin.
.
Anyone see Magician Mark Summers hosting somekinda silly talk
show on Cable? I caugth a few minutes of it.
Msg #35597 Dated 22:52:17 02-29-92 35582 <--> 35629
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
Was channel hopping and a guy in chinese makeup was doing the
Linking rings... and it turned out to be a very old episode of
the early Superman shows... arhg... wonder who it was. Mighta
been George Boston? Anybody know?
Msg #35598 Dated 22:52:23 02-29-92 35589 <--> 35624
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Some gals in Washington or Oregon, just published some books and
video tapes entitled "WEE SING"... old songs re done for kids on
TV etc. so they won't forget the old days stuff... wuz good...
.
You hit it. Kids are smarter than the turkeys that write the kid
show books raelize. I saw Seabrooke work a stag show one night
and do the same stuff for kids the next afternoon. Just changed
the words a bit. Not all that much... just took out a few F words.
Msg #35599 Dated 22:52:33 02-29-92 35591 <--> 35611
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
You sure hit it there. A freind of mine has an export business
(along with his manufacturing) and he sends product to China. In
order to get started and visit potential distributors there, he
(obviously) had to make several trips over.
.
He discovered a total lack of copyright notice... they were
printing labels etc. with other company logos, Mickey Mouse, etc.
on whatever they wanted to. He had no control, but did sell them
the bulk product... just figured no way he could change them.
Msg #35601 Dated 22:57:45 02-29-92 35173 <--> 35602
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Whoa - another case of totally independant creativity at work. I
swear I never saw your reference of using Nathan like a Jerry
Mahoney ! I must have tapped into the collective consciousness again!
.
And here I thought I had come up with it entirely on my own. The
phenomena seems to pop-up in many fileds, not the least of which is
magic effects and BBS msgs.
Msg #35602 Dated 22:57:50 02-29-92 35185 <--> 35630
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I totally missed Pete's vent reference. See my response to him.
Msg #35603 Dated 23:00:02 02-29-92 35435 <--> 35640
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
You need a 'reminder' robot to follow you around and make sure you
don't cremate yo' own self. Melting teapots, molten pots, what next ?
Msg #35604 Dated 23:00:04 02-29-92 35406 <--> 35605
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
I have looked into my crystal ball and see Bush & Quail retired.
Next Prsident will be Clinton, with Jesse Jackson in charge of Vice.
.
Don't blame me I'm a registered LIbertarian !
Msg #35605 Dated 23:00:08 02-29-92 35500 <--> 35606
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Have you guys got the other two judges set-up yet ? What is the
judging criteria, where will it be, etc...
.
Need to know so I can get the black robes and powdered wigs to size.
Msg #35606 Dated 23:00:11 02-29-92 35575 <--> 35641
From: JERRY BURTON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Seriously Frank, do you think anyone in Vegas would even notice if
a gaggle of magi were singing the meat ball song in the lobby at
4 am ?
Msg #35607 Dated 23:00:13 02-29-92 35493 <--> 35608
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKED
What do you mean almost ? They ended last week !
.
Next is Summer Games in Bacelona 1994.
Msg #35608 Dated 23:00:16 02-29-92 35581 <--> 35631
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKED
David - you shouldn't have tipped the tape, now everyone will be
doing all T A's stuff - sheez.
.
Seriously tho, I see where Tabman is going to start making a Chest o'
Destiny. Should be a nice box to do a powerful mind bender. I love
the concept - simple, direct, and baffling.
Msg #35609 Dated 23:00:20 02-29-92 35439 <--> 35610
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
Just got an idea for a new product ! Computer Condoms - a rubber
shield you put over your modem to keep from getting unwanted viruses.
.
Would you be interested ?? Send $ 2000 and color choice.
.
PS they also come in flavors.
Msg #35610 Dated 23:00:25 02-29-92 35492 <--> 35645
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
OK I'll run off a copy as soon as I find it - my place is mess,
having more construction done and can't find anything. Will be clear
in a week or so. Will advise.
Msg #35611 Dated 23:00:28 02-29-92 35490 <--> 35612
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Sorry Pete - what exactly is an ISMS that was the worst of all time ?
Msg #35612 Dated 23:00:30 02-29-92 35491 <--> 35623
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
It seems another problem is educating people to NOT buy the rip-offs.
.
If there were ethics taught to the buyers there would be no market
for rip-offs. Another way to halt the practice would be to have the
magic trade mags (Genii, Magic, etc.) police the ads for rip-off
items, and bring it to the attention of the buyers, which marketed
effects were legit and which were not.
Msg #35613 Dated 23:00:35 02-29-92 35469 <--> 35614
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROOM
I'm booked to leave LAX at 4 pm June 30th, returning the 5th. See if
you can get the same flight if it works into your schedule.
Msg #35614 Dated 23:00:37 02-29-92 35494 <--> 35632
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROOM
I'll leave the search to security - there are places you can hide
a thumb tip I don't want to look.
Msg #35615 Dated 23:00:40 02-29-92 35495 <--> 35650
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CUBBERS! YIPES!
Probably is Pirranha ! I need to build a spell checker into IMP!
Msg #35618 Dated 23:00:50 02-29-92 35565 <--> 35651
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
How about bringing the fact that jugglers really use anti-gravity
mind control to make the balls stay in the air longer. That's why
it's so difficult for non-magicans to juggle. Then to prove it
have the ball stop in mid-air to show you have complete control over
gravity.
Msg #35619 Dated 23:00:54 02-29-92 35577 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: POEMS
That's my kind of poem - mornings are not my favorite time.
.
Happiness should only be allowed after noon.
Msg #35620 Dated 23:00:57 02-29-92 35558 <--> 35672
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Castle fees - $ 120/year for locals, $ 60/year for out of towners
(that means not within easy driving distance e.g. less than 4 hours).
Msg #35621 Dated 23:57:07 02-29-92 35588 <--> 35625
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
Yeah, close up magic for 200 and the lady to your left was completely
amazed!
Msg #35622 Dated 23:59:51 02-29-92 -> 35633
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: GIFS GALORE!
Hello there everybody!
Some may wwonder why would anybody in their right mind get a computer.
I have found the real reaaason for buying this thing. There are a S***
load of great pictures available. I am going to send a disk containing
a program called CSHOW to Nathan for him to upload on this BBS. If you
are not as aware what this program does, it makes a slide show of .GIF
type files. LATE NEWS from the TV: EARL SHIBE IS DEAD AT 85.95 years.
died today. Annybody ever get your car painted at one of his stores?
Bac to CSHOW. Ther are also a few neet .GIFS included with the disk.
Look ffor Tinny (MACRENDERMAN) and mickey mouse to name but a few. If
when you finally decide to DL the program and SNAIL MAIL gets it there
ok, lets get some more Magic photos scanned (old out of print catalogs
perhaps?) ANYBODY GOT A SCANNER?????
Msg #35623 Dated 0:11:25 03-01-92 35612 <--> 35646
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
why then do some magic dealers then put out under their own name some
killerr tricks and not give creedit? There is a magic shop here in San
Leandro that has put out several copycat tricks (card warp, to name
one) Is this really legal? Somebody call Michael Webber!
Msg #35624 Dated 0:20:49 03-01-92 35598 <--> 35626
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
You have hit the nail on the head about the kid show, it must appeal to
the kid in a way that he/she is not being talked down to and being
treated as an equal. the show must also be entertaining to the parents
as the kids will not take intrest if the parents don't. and when the
parents dont, you might as well pack it up and leave.
For the BEST lecture on kids shows read KID STUFF 5 article by none
other than Billy McComb! Picture the lead cartoon "UNCLE WILLIAM in
front of a kids audience holding a spiked club behind back saying, "I
love you all" Also there is a great David Hoy on kids lecture there
too. Well worth reading. The hardest working adult/kid performer there
is is the great tom ogden! his kid shows can be priceless. It is a must
to experience!
There is a lot in print for kids. the most EXPENSIVE book I eveer
encountered was from Eric Sharp in England. Great Punch & Judy
material. Is there anybody still whacking the baby or aligator?
Msg #35625 Dated 1:24:42 03-01-92 35588 <--> 35655
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
Use big cards? I've been able to transfer some close-up stuff to small
stage that way. Anyway, sounds like you had fun!
Msg #35626 Dated 1:27:17 03-01-92 35589 <--> 35654
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Thanks for the Tom Glazer info. I will try to hunt up some of his
material and I appreciate the specific references you provided.
I tend to agree about the kids and the shows for them. They can be a
lot more sophisticated than we give them credit for. I can't speak for
the older set, but there are some differences among the young set
(Nathan's age) that are worth highlighting - they do like "pretend" and
fantasy on a level that is broader than most adults will admit to, and
they do tend to like visual stuff rather than mentalism. But their
sense of the absurd and their sense of humor does seem to be as refined
as most adults.
And yes, most magi who perform for kids seem to be mired in the 50's.
On the other hand, so is Mr. Rogers, and he remains a big hit with the
younger set.
Msg #35628 Dated 1:39:31 03-01-92 35593 <--> 35657
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENDOCRYNOLOGIST? NO? THE
I think I've come up with an alternate plan that might work - I'm going
to take Nathan to some of the non-Seminar shows - Melinda, Burton, etc.
and maybe that will make things OK.
Msg #35629 Dated 1:41:23 03-01-92 35596 <--> 35637
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
Didn't see Mark Summers, but I understand there was also some detective
show or something this week that featured a story about a magician.
Don't know anything else about it, and no-one seems to have mentioned
it here.
Msg #35630 Dated 1:42:35 03-01-92 35601 <--> 35639
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Don't feel too bad, Jerry. I was at the Castle tonite and the topic of
"smuggling" Nathan into DMS came up and two more people suggested the
vent bit.
Msg #35631 Dated 1:44:47 03-01-92 35608 <--> 35644
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SKED
Yep, I now realize that I screwed up and gave away the store in
mentioning T. A.'s tape. Oh, well.
Yes, I too noticed where Conjurer's Woodworks (Tabman) is going to be
doing Chest O' Destiny. I want to be in line for that one! But I've
also been thinging of a variation on it for Nathan's act - designed to
be used with an audience of children - and I want to discuss it with T.
A. once we have it fully planned out.
Msg #35632 Dated 1:47:12 03-01-92 35613 <--> 35648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROOM
OK, will check on the flights as soon as I can. Will try to let you
know soon.
Msg #35633 Dated 1:49:26 03-01-92 35622 <--> 35652
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: GIFS GALORE!
We have several scanners in the group and you may have a good idea
there - old out of print catalogs might be fun. Thanks for sending the
program - Nathan and I will take a look at it when it arrives.
Msg #35634 Dated 1:50:19 03-01-92 -> 35659
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE TONITE
Just came back from the Castle - totally tired.
The Palace show tonite was VERY, VERY good, if you don't mind two
animal acts booked back to back, or front to front, as the case may be.
And they only did one trick in common too.
The show opened with The Magic of Les & Terri and the audience loved
them. They really do a great show with some very novel effects.
They've added a new, lightning fast, costume change for Terri that is
really, really good. And their closing maccaw production is stunning.
Ed Alonzo was next, and he does some terrific, imaginative work that
the audience really enjoyed. He'd doing the Sunday Brunch tomorrow and
should also get great results from the kids. He told me that he is
dropping one bit for the kids show - the bit where he rather bloodily
slices through his arm. Has a very nice take off on "The Little
Mermaid" that is great!
P.S. - an amusing aside - I understand that tonite's audience included
some guests of Irene Larsen's - a group of animal rights activists!
Msg #35637 Dated 6:30:06 03-01-92 35571 <--> 35677
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
That'll work!!
Msg #35639 Dated 7:30:32 03-01-92 35601 <--> 35670
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Funny how that works. Brains in synch?
Regards, Biro the Bizarre.
(I thought that up myself)
Msg #35640 Dated 7:30:37 03-01-92 35603 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Molten Brains... ARgh...
Msg #35641 Dated 7:30:40 03-01-92 35604 <--> 35642
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Couomo.
Msg #35642 Dated 7:30:43 03-01-92 35605 <--> 35643
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Judging criteria: Must be blind and hard of hearing. We are
recruiting umpires from the local spring training camps.
.
They must be total laypersons and not know any of the two famed
competitors.
Msg #35643 Dated 7:30:49 03-01-92 35606 <--> 35679
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
The Hookers would probably join in thinking we were some kind of
"Moose" or other nutcase bunch of conventioneers.
Msg #35644 Dated 7:30:53 03-01-92 35607 <--> 35658
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SKED
Eddie the Eagle is almost finished running the hill... they
figure in two more days he'll cross the finish line. They are
working feverishly tyring to pack artificial snow in his path.
Msg #35645 Dated 7:30:58 03-01-92 35609 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I DO WINDOWS!
I have some "Regulars" to trade for "X-Large" (honest)
Msg #35646 Dated 7:31:01 03-01-92 35611 <--> 35647
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I don't remember what ISMS is, will go back and re-read the msgs.
Stay tuned...
Msg #35647 Dated 7:31:05 03-01-92 35612 <--> 35653
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
How can we educate the people to not buy rip offs when we can't
even educate people -- to read, to not shoot each other, to not
steal... Saw Ted Koppel on CSPAN yesterday. He was hit with
questions (at a black university in Wash. DC) about "Why don't you
cover the xxx story?" Koppel then said, "We did a full week on
Mandella doing XXXX on July x..." Another asked on Palestinian
history... Koppel said, "We did a whole series in May...."
.
What happened was those asking HARD questions about "issues" had
not even watched HIS SHOWS... They didn't even know what he had
covered. Here we have college students asking questions about a
subject THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
One asked "HOwcum you cover the politicians bedroom habits and
not the issues..." Koppel really nailed this guy saying... "We
have done 17 shows on the issues... homelessness, taxes, car
quality, etc etc and ONLY 3 times mentioned politician's personal
problems... and SADLY those 3 shows had the highest ratings. We
don't like it... but if we don't do SOME SHOWS to attract the
lowest common denominator.. to GET RATINGS.. once in awhile, our
ratings average would drop and the network would CANCEL the show."
Msg #35648 Dated 7:31:26 03-01-92 35613 <--> 35649
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROOM
Train, boat or airline?
Msg #35649 Dated 7:31:29 03-01-92 35614 <--> 35766
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROOM
Just don't take 'em in your hand carried baggage.
Msg #35650 Dated 7:31:32 03-01-92 35615 <--> 35682
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CUBBERS! YIPES!
NO, no spell checker... it's more funn thix Whey.
Msg #35651 Dated 7:31:35 03-01-92 35618 <--> 35717
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Gravity... one of our more successful laws.
Msg #35652 Dated 7:31:38 03-01-92 35622 <--> 36838
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: GIFS GALORE!
I have full flat bed scanner. I scanned two flat beds last week.
Didn't find anyone.
Msg #35653 Dated 7:31:42 03-01-92 35623 <--> 35701
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
It is not legal in any way. Just think if some car dealer had the
capability to manufacture cars himself in the shop... and he
decided to put BUICK on them. Same thing, different scale, but
the same.
.
One of the worst cases was Jerry Andrus' Linking Pins. Major
dealers would REPRINT the instruction sheets and envelopes and
even put Jerry's name on...
.
Why call Weber? Write a letter to Stan Allen and get it in print.
.
I did that on Tannen's once. Trouble is they will justify it by
saying... "We tried to buy more but the supplier was backlogged
and we couldn't wait..." ARghhhhh....
.
Spina felt it was OK to cop things in the example that... The
manufacturer wanted to keep it exclusive and only make a few...
but the DEMAND of our customers "causes us to have to make them"
.
They could develope (on their own) a self levitation where you
would be able to fly around a room full of people under any
conditions and sell it for $20 -- and I still wouldn't buy from
them. That's what it takes. A shut down BY EVERYONE... but it
will not happen, not enough people are educated, not enough people
even know this is a problem, not enough people EVEN BELIEVE IT
IS WRONG TO STEAL...
.
And there are too many people on the planet. We MUST go to Zero
Population growth or we are all doomed.
Msg #35654 Dated 7:32:11 03-01-92 35624 <--> 35656
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Jay Marshall is still doing Mr. Punch. I just saw a complete set
for sale at a non-magic Antique Show (in Salt Lake City) but the
price was fairly astronomical to say the least.
Msg #35655 Dated 7:32:15 03-01-92 35625 <--> 35663
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
Big cards isn't the answer. If you are booked to do close up
and the crowd is too big... you just have to stroll about and hit
as many as you can. Max Malini literally only did close up and
always, er OFTEN, had that situation. What he said, in response
to a question of how and what do you do... was, "You just try to
find out who the important people are, those that KNOW the hosts,
and work for them. And make sure the people that hired you SEE YOU
working..."
Msg #35656 Dated 7:32:25 03-01-92 35626 <--> 35662
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
The "younger" set don't know the 50s from the 90s, as they have
not got the "references" to "date" things yet... if it is funny
it is funny. Today's comedy club audiences are different. You
have to use references to THIER childhood. Bullwinkle, John boy,
that kinda stuff.... I hear them work using references to TV
shows and characters from the 70s and I don't know what they are
talking about... didn't grow up watching tv.
.
To be contemporary must means you have the CORRECT references. What
was funny before is funny now...if you change the references.
That's why TODAY's younger(?) audeinces don't like Johnny Carson
any more. He is still the master, still incredibly funny, BUT HIS
REFERENCES are dated. He jokes about people and politicians that
todays folks never heard of... so the joke is lost.
Msg #35657 Dated 7:32:40 03-01-92 35628 <--> 35664
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ENDOCRYNOLOGIST? NO? THE
That is the Proper thing to do. Don't break the law. Even if it is
only Joe's Law... it is his desire to keep it an Adult Event. END.
Msg #35658 Dated 7:32:44 03-01-92 35631 <--> 35661
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKED
Make it out of a lunch pail.
Msg #35659 Dated 7:32:47 03-01-92 35634 <--> 35665
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE TONITE
So? Was there any reason for concern? What would the acts have done
that could upset them? If they only knew how much most of the
animals used in magic acts are treated more like people and are
part of the family they would not worry. Sure there are exceptions.
Msg #35660 Dated 7:33:01 03-01-92 -> 35773
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISMS
ISMS like PlagerISMS... DIG? BYE
Msg #35661 Dated 8:56:43 03-01-92 35658 <--> 35685
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKED
RE: Lunch Pail Chest O' Destiny
Not a bad idea. Not what I was thinkin' of, but not bad.
Msg #35662 Dated 9:00:53 03-01-92 35656 <--> 35666
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
A good point about the references, Pete. But in the case of children's
shows the problem seems to be the viewpoints of the performers, not
just the references.
Msg #35663 Dated 9:02:08 03-01-92 35655 <--> 35724
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
Actually, for larger audiences, I don't use big cards. I use
transparent cards and an overhead projector.
Msg #35664 Dated 9:02:55 03-01-92 35657 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENDOCRYNOLOGIST? NO? THE
Pete -
I've said throughout that I wouldn't break Joe's law. Would like to
change his mind or get a waiver, but won't break the law.
Msg #35665 Dated 9:04:16 03-01-92 35659 <--> 35771
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE TONITE
Well, it was just amusing that they were there. I was backstage after
the show and I certainly saw loving concern for the animals.
Msg #35666 Dated 10:43:24 03-01-92 35654 <--> 35686
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
how bout out here in SF? Have you seen Bob Hartmant (the puppiteer) he
is phonominal.
Msg #35668 Dated 11:02:22 03-01-92 -> 35690
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Long time no type.
Hi. I'm Steve Kucera, "the Wine Country Wizard". I'm a full time
professional magician living in the wine country of Sonoma Co.
My wife and I own a magic entertainemnt biz called Wine Country
Wizadry. None of you know me personally but some may remember that
I was a fairly consistent presence here several month ago.
I have been in a sort of self imposed exile working on my new
show which debuts in four weeks. Wine Country Wizardry Magical
Theatre is a blend of magic, music, comedy and live theatre.
All music for the show is composed by a talented musician living
close by. We are also featuring special guests, a ventriloquist
for the matinee and a very funny prop comic for the two evening
shows. Also in the evening I will be accompanied by a vocal jazz
band singing in a magical/musical jam session. I will play a
little banjo even.
Backstage we will have a massage therapist and a Japanese Tea
ceremony to calm the nerves.
Here's the big news. We are negotiating with the owners to
take the theatre on a full time basis. If we do so I plan to
turn it into an all magic theatre. I believe it will be the
only one of its kind in the Bay Area. Its a beauty, built in
1911 and unchanged. Seats 500. Has a movie screen and
projector. If we can make the numbers work out we will sign
the papers soon.
If you live in the Bay Area and would like to drive to
Petaluma to see the show give me a call at 1-800-498-2221.
The show is March 28 @ 2:00, 6:00 and 8:00 P.M. Tix are $7.50.
And if the show is a success I will take a little time off and drive up
to L.A. I have been sucking on an exhaust pipe to condition myself for
the trip.
Msg #35669 Dated 11:13:39 03-01-92 -> 35729
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: NATHAN DOES VEGAS!
Well, I do agree after reading all the posts about how to smuggle good
'ol nathan into DMS. Personally, a budding magician of 3 wont be able
to understand what is being lectured about at the same rate of speed.
He wont be able to do any gaming unless he can get a fake ID, Since he
dosent drink.....the real only thing to do with him is take him to
Circuse Circus and the public shows. Bright lights, tiny town, and see
by the means of Geno or other LV persona if maybe he could get back
stage at Lance's or S&R. that would certainly make HIS convention
complete!
Msg #35670 Dated 12:32:09 03-01-92 35532 <--> 35678
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
David,
Yeah, it couldn't hurt to give Joe a good talkin' to.
Good luck!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35672 Dated 13:04:19 03-01-92 35542 <--> 37104
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
David,
I wondered about that, but haven't had a chance to check it out.
Thanks for the info.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35673 Dated 14:05:31 03-01-92 34959 <--> 35681
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VACATION
My phone number is 510-935-9242. You won't have to dial the 510 if you
call from Berkely. That town seems to be a good place for magicians,
last year I saw Copperfield perform there!
Msg #35675 Dated 14:15:45 03-01-92 -> 35732
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: MAGICIAN SIGHTINGS
I taped the Fox show Sightings from Friday. I was suprised to see a
local magician on the show! Paranormal investigator Loyd Auerbach,
who's written many books on the subject of ghosts, is also an active
member of SAM#112 (my favorite assembly)! Although he didn't perform on
the show, he's hilarious when he does do magic. He performs under the
guise of "Crazy Loyd". My favorite effect is his bullwinkle routine
(Don't ask).
Msg #35677 Dated 14:23:10 03-01-92 35629 <--> 35718
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
It was a rerun of a Columbo show from a while back.
Msg #35678 Dated 14:27:34 03-01-92 35630 <--> 35730
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Actually, David, have you considered a scenario in which Nathan is the
vent and YOU are the dummy? In spite of the size differential, it
might play better. Of course he'd have to carry you around...
Msg #35679 Dated 14:29:33 03-01-92 35583 <--> 35680
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
If we behave maybe they will let us stay in the Trop. after we start
singing. Looking forward to meeting you at the DMS.
Msg #35680 Dated 14:30:28 03-01-92 35606 <--> 35735
From: FRANK ZAK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Only security and surveillance.
Msg #35681 Dated 14:31:09 03-01-92 35673 <--> 36492
From: FRANK ZAK
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: VACATION
I should be getting in sometime on Friday. I'm driving in from Reno. I
have no idea what time I will arrive. I will call though.
Msg #35682 Dated 14:34:00 03-01-92 35615 <--> 35767
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CUBBERS! YIPES!
Actually it is piranha...mister, don't put your fingers into that tank
-- ooh! Bet that smarts, don't it? Never have to feed that fish,
always someone like yerself fooling around//Jonathan Winters 1965
Msg #35683 Dated 16:11:29 03-01-92 35481 <--> 35711
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
I think you'd enjoy hitting DMS or PCAM if for nothing else, the
hangout factor!
Msg #35685 Dated 19:17:19 03-01-92 35661 <--> 35737
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKED
Someone Nathan's age should do MIRACLES with ordinary objects of
his own and of his peers.
.
Wowzooooooooo just hit with lightnin' and thunder storm... and I
wuz gonna leave out a whole giant bunch of corrugated cardboard
for the recycler dudes... not tonite... ARgh...
Msg #35686 Dated 19:17:26 03-01-92 35662 <--> 35688
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
What is the viewpoint if it isn't one's references? Same Ting Dude.
Msg #35688 Dated 19:17:41 03-01-92 35666 <--> 35697
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
No ... have not seen Bob
Msg #35690 Dated 19:17:54 03-01-92 35668 <--> 35699
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
I expect to be in town that weekend and will gladly come. Save me
a killer seat. Will be in touch.
Msg #35697 Dated 21:09:54 03-01-92 35592 <--> 35723
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I have just learned to upload files and replies. Not well, mind you,
but I am learning. I think I just called Jerry Burton, Pete. Hope he
is the forgiving type. I'll get this thing down yet! Will call
tommora! Bye!
Msg #35699 Dated 21:13:39 03-01-92 35668 <--> 35728
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Hi Steve! My name is Stacey and I am the president of the Magicians
Travel Network here in San Diego. I am fascinated by yoru efforts
because I always have magicians asking me what is available in certain
cities. Now I have something to recommend as a "must see". I hope to
get up there to see it, myself! Good luck!
Msg #35700 Dated 21:16:18 03-01-92 35300 <--> 35703
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Thanks for the information on the Endless Chain. I understand (I
think) your reluctance to publish. The structure, of course is
everything.
Msg #35701 Dated 21:16:26 03-01-92 35332 <--> 35715
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Agree that the contemporary people only read the new stuff. I
have to get each of my students to go back to the real stuff.
.
50 years old? That's 1942. The rest of the 40's and 50's had a
lot of great stuff published. Stars of Magic, Vernon Book of
Magic, LePaul etc. Agree except for the dating.
Msg #35702 Dated 21:16:36 03-01-92 35342 <--> 35726
From: CY KELLER
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: 33
Didn't know that Martineaux was still around. Those Silk books
were some of the most amazing ever produced.
Msg #35703 Dated 21:16:43 03-01-92 35347 <--> 35704
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Great story on Frank Thompson. That was typical. He was always
hard to get to leave. Of course one didn't want to. He would
always have some story from one of the super market tabloids,
which he would repeat as fact, and get into a big argument if you
questioned the accuracy.
.
Your description of his presentation is on the nose. I might
here, for those with no knowledge of Frank, a description of the
Master Deck Routine.
.
"Supposin' I was to ask you to name a card."
"Five of clubs."
"No I just said supposin'. Name a card."
"Six of hearts."
Here Frank cuts the deck to the six of hearts.
This goes on for a few more cards. Frank cuts to one and
then adds the xext card to it. I.e. 3 of clubs and two of
diamonds.
"Three and two are five." The next card is a five.
"With the Master Deck you can add, subtract or anything you
can do with a Lawrence Rule." (Always wondered what a
Lawrence Rule was)
.
This goes on for a while, cutting each named card. The 10's had a
sequence of cutting etc. and then spelling "Where is the ______"
and winding up on the card.
.
He does a poker deal and then returns to the cutting card
sequence.
.
If anyone else remembers the trick as something different, I'm
open to correction. Since the effect is open ended it can be done
forever, but I don't think that counts as 42 or 80 hours of
performing.
.
Bill, I miss Frank too. My only problem was that most of the
material was not stuff that I personally use in front of an
audience. I wasn't Frank.
Msg #35704 Dated 21:17:25 03-01-92 35354 <--> 35705
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I didn't know much more of Frank than most people do. I spent a
lot of time, but you didn' really get to know the real Frank. He
was always ON. There were glimpses of the REAL Frank. When I lost
my son, Frank appeared at the funeral palour and sat in the
corner. All day long. He just wanted to help as a gofer or
whatever. I guess I'll never forget that act of friendship. Maybe
I did know the real Frank!!!!
Msg #35705 Dated 21:17:36 03-01-92 35355 <--> 35706
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I guess being president of IBM and in the DMS Committee, made me
feel that you were into the politics. That's a lot of work that
us little guys appreciate. Where would be be without the selfless
work of people like you. Even though it is against your wishes. I
should include our sysop in this selflessness that we all profit
from.
Msg #35706 Dated 21:17:47 03-01-92 35365 <--> 35708
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
God, David, I hadn't thought of phosphates for a long time. Were
we into some kind of drug?
Msg #35707 Dated 21:17:53 03-01-92 35377 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Thanks for the write-up of the Ammar tapes. They sound
great. The learning techniques sound like the best part.
Msg #35708 Dated 21:18:00 03-01-92 35383 <--> 35743
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Pete - I've been in sessions where I was told not to tip. I
always wondered why they were showing me the stuff. Hen Fetsch
always made it a rule to do a lot of stuff in a session with the
purpose of clouding your mind so you would forget almost
everything. He was usually successful. He would come back from a
convention and explain how he had fooled the greats, so they
would not walk away with a lot.
Msg #35709 Dated 21:18:11 03-01-92 35398 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FOLLOW THE BOUNCING BALL
Glad to hear that Rebecca survived. One has to be careful with
props. I had seven of the little ones and occasionaly they would
get into things. Remember a Devano Rising Card deck that looked
quite strange after they had been into it. My eldest also liked
to shove my Benny Goodman records under the rug. Early critic!
They were still somehow playable.
Msg #35710 Dated 21:15:51 03-01-92 -> 35870
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: GOINGS ON
Hey, guys, if you know of a club or a particularly neat magician in
your home town, let me know about it for the Magicians Travel Network!
A lot of times I am asked what there is magic wise in a certain town,
and I would like to keep a card file on all the current happenings in
Lake Edna or your neck of the woods (thank you, KFC!). So if you know
of the hottest thing smokin' in Altoona, let ME know too! Okay?
Msg #35711 Dated 21:27:00 03-01-92 35683 <--> 35713
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
Sorry but I cant get away from the restaurant I am at. and I cant find
anyone to cover for me without ruining a family reputation I maintain.
Msg #35713 Dated 21:31:58 03-01-92 35420 <--> 35714
From: CY KELLER
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
I think the point is that the magicians performing could make
much more money doing magic, than attending or performing at a
convention. Thank God they do, however. I get a LOT less for my
magic lessons than I would if performing. Maybe they feel that
they owe something to Magic. I know that my lessons are a way of
paying back all of the people who helped me along the way, and a
way of defveloping new people to follow the art.
Msg #35714 Dated 21:32:10 03-01-92 35402 <--> 35968
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
Agree - see my message to Stacey. You do have the advantage of
being on the West Coast - not Baltimore - so you can see a lot of
magic. Also I can't afford a lot of conventions.
Msg #35715 Dated 21:32:18 03-01-92 35472 <--> 35716
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Agree that all effects should be credited and, if possible, some
monetary arrangement made. This is sometimes impossible, as you
don't know the originator. Some great effect are in public
domain. I'm not sure when that happens. Maybe Biro's 50 years. Of
course ALWAYS a credit line.
Msg #35716 Dated 21:32:28 03-01-92 35499 <--> 35719
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Yes - dealers should be careful in putting out effects. They are
the ones who know they are stealing and do it anyway. This is the
biggerst and most flagrant of the stealing being done. If we are
to do something about stealing, this is where we should start.
Msg #35717 Dated 21:32:36 03-01-92 35519 <--> 35720
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Sorry Kevin - there are some published tricks that, not
even a master could seem like a miracle. It's interesting but
some effects are not miracles, just are highly improbable. The
card stab is an example.
Msg #35718 Dated 21:32:45 03-01-92 35535 <--> 35734
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
Great story about Mr Fingers. His college show is a great event
to witness. One of the most inventive guys around. Someday I'm
going to do the Red Tape thumb tie. An impossibility!!!
Msg #35719 Dated 21:32:53 03-01-92 35591 <--> 35721
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I think the people who rip off the characters know they are
stealing. They just don't care. I wouldn't give them the credit
for any ethics.
Msg #35720 Dated 21:33:01 03-01-92 35618 <--> 35740
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Answering a previous message - erased the number. Magic magazines
should REFUSE an ad which is a rip off. That is if they know. If
they have run it and find out later they should run a similar
spaced ad notifying the reader that they should not buy.
Msg #35721 Dated 21:33:09 03-01-92 35623 <--> 35722
From: CY KELLER
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
A plague on all their houses!!
Msg #35722 Dated 21:33:15 03-01-92 35647 <--> 35761
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Great story on Ted Koppel. One of the problems is the paranoia
that some people have about the media. They think there is some
sort of conspiracy, instead of listening.
Msg #35723 Dated 21:33:23 03-01-92 35589 <--> 35725
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Sheets and Spill at Brook Farm were great entertainers. May times
on the kid shows they used John Ekin. John does the White House.
I've seen his kid shows. Just GREAT!!!. Adults in the audience
are eating it up as well as the kids. He is one of the great
unknowns.
Msg #35724 Dated 21:33:32 03-01-92 35655 <--> 35792
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
The Malini method of doing a big crowd is the right one.
It's the ONLY way to do it. We should have that printed up or
caligraphed and look at it every day.
Msg #35725 Dated 21:33:40 03-01-92 35656 <--> 35727
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
It is a shame that much great material becomes dated. The truly
funny point should be timeless. Youl can always switch.
Msg #35726 Dated 21:39:13 03-01-92 35702 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: 33
It's 10:00 and we just got in. He's thinking about doing a new book,
with my help. He has some great stuff "up his sleeve". Will let
details be known later.
Msg #35727 Dated 22:03:45 03-01-92 35686 <--> 35780
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Viewpoints and references aren't the same thing at all. The references
may be to things that are unfamiliar to the children because they lie
outside of their experience. The viewpoint of the performer may be "I
can do stupid stuff because they are just dumb kids."
Msg #35728 Dated 22:07:41 03-01-92 35668 <--> 35794
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
WOW!, Steve! It is GREAT to hear from you, and your new venture sounds
exciting. It would be a bit hard for me to get to Petaluma, but,
man-o-man, I wish you the absolute best with this!!!
Msg #35729 Dated 22:10:29 03-01-92 35669 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: NATHAN DOES VEGAS!
I think that's how we're gonna handle it for this year, Scott. He
really hasn't met Lance yet so that might be arrangeable as a special
treat.
Msg #35730 Dated 22:12:08 03-01-92 35670 <--> 35731
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Joe is a good guy. He sees the problem, he just hasn't got a good
solution. We'll see what can be done for the future.
Msg #35731 Dated 22:15:04 03-01-92 35678 <--> 35745
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Well, you are certainly the first one to suggest that approach, T. A.!
Maybe we could pull it off if his dummy is portrayed as physically
handicapped and he pushes me around in a wheel chair. You know, with
an act like that we could end up ON Sesame Street!
Msg #35732 Dated 22:18:36 03-01-92 35675 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGICIAN SIGHTINGS
An interesting report of an on-the-air magician sighting, Scott.
Thanks.
Msg #35734 Dated 22:20:27 03-01-92 35677 <--> 35917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
Ah, Columbo! Thanks, T. A.
Msg #35735 Dated 22:21:36 03-01-92 35679 <--> 35765
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
I'm looking forward to meeting you too, Frank. See you in a couple of
weeks!
Msg #35737 Dated 22:25:45 03-01-92 35685 <--> 35777
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKED
Nathan does indeed like impromptu magic with ordinary items, but he
also likes using some props. He's really gotten a lot of help from
some of the World's best magi and he seems to enjoy magic on several
levels - both when performing and when being entertained by it.
We got the lightening and thunder this afternoon too, but I was still
too sick in bed to enjoy it. We went to the Castle for brunch this
morning (we had promised Nathan that we would) and I was so sick that
I spent the whole event curled up in the back of the car sleeping.
Feeling a little better now, but not much.
Msg #35739 Dated 22:36:27 03-01-92 35536 <--> 35776
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Michael,
As I've mentioned in previous messages, I think video is a
WONDERFUL way for people to learn almost ANYTHING!
No, the student is not able to ask questions, but the student can
see the same move 8000 times without the instructor getting bored
or tired.
I've got to tell you that I've been EXTREMELY pleased and
impressed with everything I've laid my hands on that has your
name on it. You do good work.
It's strange. Before I came on this board, I was happy to add
one new effect from a newly purchased book. I've been pointed in
the right direction so much by the members of this board, that
now I don't have time to learn all the WONDERFUL effects I have
available. I much prefer the latter situation.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35740 Dated 22:36:38 03-01-92 35545 <--> 35742
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
David,
When I finished reading your message I thought, "Yeah, great
effect, but the method I'm using won't let me do that." Then I
thought about it for a second, and think I can rig something that
will work. Thanks! I'll let you know.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35741 Dated 22:36:47 03-01-92 35546 <--> 35757
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
David,
Mark Twain once said, "When I was 18 I was embarrased by how
little my parents knew. When I was 21 I was amazed at how much
they had learned in 3 years."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35742 Dated 22:36:55 03-01-92 35560 <--> 35744
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
I don't know how gold my ping-pong balls will be. I've been
doing a fair amount of electro-plating over the last month or
two. I guess I could put an insignificant amount of actual gold
on them. I'll have to try it.
Nope, no vacuum cleaners. After all, who cares if your vacuum is
dirty?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35743 Dated 22:37:04 03-01-92 35562 <--> 35746
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Pete,
RE: the books.
I'll see what I can do. I make no promises (because all my
scheduled promises seem to be breaking these days) but should
know by Thursday.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35744 Dated 22:37:12 03-01-92 35565 <--> 35748
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
Unfortunately, I'm not quite as fluid with my liquid assets as
I'd like to be, so am not going to make it to DMS this year. I'm
half-tempted to drive up one night just to buy you all drinks,
and get a chance to meet some of the members I've not met and see
others whom I have. (Wow! Weird sentence structure.)
Maybe next time you're in town I can show you what I have. I'm
very proud so far.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35745 Dated 22:37:22 03-01-92 35566 <--> 35755
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pete,
RE: Quick basic for Mac.
Many thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35747 Dated 22:37:40 03-01-92 35585 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: TRANSFORMATION
Stacey,
Don't worry. I probably won't be much over 20 minutes early.
As you probably already know, I'm typing this at home after a
wonderful week-end in San Diego.
I enjoyed meeting you, your husband, and your daughters. Your
hospitality was wonderful.
It was a real treat getting to meet Brad Burt.
If you have any trouble with the software, or hardware, just give
a call, or leave a message.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35748 Dated 22:37:49 03-01-92 35618 <--> 35754
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Jerry,
Or as Brad said to Stacey's daugter today, "I forgot to pay my
gravity bill."
Thanks for the input!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35752 Dated 22:43:55 03-01-92 35706 <--> 35753
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
In theory, there was a small amount of phosphoric acid in a
"phosphate," but it didn't seem to harm any of us. At least I don't
think it did, did, did, did, did.
Msg #35754 Dated 22:48:55 03-01-92 35717 <--> 35756
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Cy,
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you. Yes, I've seen some
DUMB effects. But, a great performer can take those dumb
effects, and turn them into a show. The Great Ballantine was
wonderful with stupid effects. Okay, he used them, and literally
through them away, but the audience was entertained.
If I had to give a percentage, I'd say it was 90 percent
performer, 10 percent effect.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35755 Dated 22:49:04 03-01-92 35730 <--> 35764
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
David,
I don't see the solution either. It is difficult to come up with
a set of rules that will always be fair to everyone.
There are always exceptional cases.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35756 Dated 23:02:35 03-01-92 35740 <--> 35760
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
If you've picked the ball back out of the air in between, you could
change methods to leave it hanging when you walk off. In any event,
the whole concept sounded VERY GOOOOOOD.
Msg #35757 Dated 23:05:50 03-01-92 35741 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I just hope I'm around long enough to go thru the cycle - Nathan
respecting me, not respecting me, and back to respecting me. I also
hope I'm doing stuff the right way. So far, it seems to be going well,
but you never know.
Msg #35759 Dated 23:53:18 03-01-92 35703 <--> 35782
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I think you missed the point of the Master Deck, which is that it had
no routine per se; rather, it was an open-ended set of possibilities
which Frank knew inside and out. The sequence was never the same, and
given the number of permutations involved I, for one, absolutely
believe Frank's claim that there was 80 hours worth of material in
there.
His claim to have actually performed all 80 hours in one session was
probably hyperbole, but I have reason to believe that he worked out the
80-hour figure through realistic computation.
Msg #35760 Dated 23:55:59 03-01-92 35717 <--> 35770
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I'll agree with your first sentence, but I think you picked a poor
example.
Msg #35761 Dated 0:02:11 03-02-92 35623 <--> 35762
From: JERRY BURTON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
They probably put out stuff under their own name, that they ripped
off someone else, because they know that most creators don't have
the resources of Disney or Lucasfilms to come after them.
.
If the magic community refused to buy rip-offs then the market would
not be so big and hence the incentive to spend the effort to copy
would lose its economic potential.
.
The jerks who want to sell other peoples stuff to get the strokes
of 'being' the inventor, don't do it for economic reasons - so a
boycott would not be as effective with them.
Msg #35762 Dated 0:02:18 03-02-92 35647 <--> 35774
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Just because the consciousness of most people is low, doesn't mean
we shouldn't try point out the ethical issues involved WHEN WE SEE
them violated ! I'm not suggesting a crusade, merely being aware of
the issue and making others aware of it as well.
.
If I can get two people to change their attitude towards an issue
and they in turn get two, etc. Things CAN BE CHANGED !
.
If we merely preach to choir we won't have much impact.
.
Interesting lecture at the castle today by Brandon Scott. More of a
free forum on the issue of ethics in magic in general. Led to some
interesting debate.
.
I don't think a magic police or tighter laws will have any more effec
t on the problem, than the govt's war on drugs has had on the drug
problem.
Msg #35763 Dated 0:02:27 03-02-92
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: EDITORIAL POLICY
Ee;35720
Does anyone know what the policy of the magic magazines regarding
dealer ads on ripped-off items is ?
.
If they don't have one then maybe a letter writing campaign to get
them to start would be in order.
Msg #35764 Dated 0:02:31 03-02-92 35639 <--> 35801
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Stop thief ! the Biazarre (TM - Burton 1988) is already taken.
.
My attorney's Guido and Vito are on the way up to youse house to expl
ain the concept to youse. Don't worry about the baseball bats they
carry - they like the game.
.
Burton the Bizarre (TM).
Msg #35765 Dated 0:02:36 03-02-92 35679 <--> 35866
From: JERRY BURTON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Yea look forward to meeting you also. Did you ever get FRANK.ZIP ?
Msg #35766 Dated 0:02:39 03-02-92 35648 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROOM
Airline - flying to Vegas with a two hour layover then to SLC.
Msg #35767 Dated 0:02:41 03-02-92 35682 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CUBBERS! YIPES!
I normally spell by sight and piranha looked right to me. I thought
Pete was cheating and using a dictionary.
.
Good line from JW.
Msg #35770 Dated 0:02:54 03-02-92 35651 <--> 35775
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Gravity - not just a good idea, it's the law ! Not sure of the true
source, but I saw it on a T-Shirt.
.
And of course the ever popular - "There's no such thing as gravity -
the Earth Sucks !".
Msg #35771 Dated 0:02:58 03-02-92 35634 <--> 35772
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE TONITE
I hung around until 8 pm and Les & Terry as well as Ed. I agree was
very entertaining.
.
Ed does some very bizarre stuff - my kinda guy. How did animal the
animal people handle the bunny parts and hacksaw bit, any feed back ?
Msg #35772 Dated 0:03:03 03-02-92 35665 <--> 35811
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE TONITE
Ed Alonzo's cut and restored bunny could get some hard core activists
a little up tight. He obviously doesn't hacksaw the bunny into pieces
but sometimes just the impression is enough to set the zealots off !
Msg #35773 Dated 0:03:06 03-02-92 35660 <--> 35803
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ISMS
Oh like 'isms' - the ALL CAPS threw me off. I thought it was an
organization or cult or sumthin' like that. Now I get it.
Msg #35774 Dated 0:54:03 03-02-92 35761 <--> 35781
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I think a lot of times people WOULDN'T buy the rip-off IF THEY KNEW
about it. What magic needs is a sort of Consumer Reports...
Msg #35775 Dated 0:57:02 03-02-92 35754 <--> 35788
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
True that a great performer can take dumb effects and make them play --
but why would he or she WANT to?
Msg #35776 Dated 1:00:50 03-02-92 35739 <--> 35806
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
There is a problem with learning from video, however, and it is that
the student will learn to do the move or effect EXACTLY as shown on the
tape. Since a book is a less exact description, it will be filtered
through the person's own approach and thus be different. Since people
are different, it is not always the best thing for the student to be
able to copy the teacher precisely.
Msg #35780 Dated 8:35:13 03-02-92 35697 <--> 35793
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Jerry Burton's real name is Pete... so don't feel bad...
Msg #35781 Dated 8:35:16 03-02-92 35701 <--> 35786
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I have never been good at dating
Msg #35782 Dated 8:35:19 03-02-92 35703 <--> 35783
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You weren't Frank, but you are earnest?
Msg #35783 Dated 8:35:22 03-02-92 35704 <--> 35784
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
That tells us he was more than a magician...
Msg #35784 Dated 8:35:26 03-02-92 35708 <--> 35855
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Glad to know I am not the only one that leaves a session and
cannot really remember hardly any of it... too much to digest, you
get NUTTIN'... Just like trying to recall stuff from the 134 Acts
we judged at FISM... I recall snatches of effects, scenes, etc.,
but cannot put names to many... even tho I took semi copious notes.
.
Those that STAND OUT, however, still do so...
.
Funny, I am booking one act that I KNOW WAS FABULOUS... but I
absolutely cannot recall ONE TRICK HE DID... just that he was maybe
the BEST "Performer".... see.... tricks are nothing...
Msg #35786 Dated 8:35:41 03-02-92 35715 <--> 35787
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Part of my problem doing the Encyclopedia of Linking Ring magic is
"clearance"... Actually (NOW) 100-percent of those asked have said
OK, thrilled to be included. There are just more to FIND... making
sure I know the real credit is the hard part.
.
One nifty example is Whit Haydn... his four ring routine is (in my
opinion) one of the greatest CONTEMPORARY things to happen to the
rings in Y E A R S .... at first the copyright holder (not Whit)
said NO... AFter seeing a draft of my mss. that not only changed to
a YES... but other material was offered... AND Whit was so happy
he is RE WRITING IT WITH NEW ADDITIONS!!!!
Msg #35787 Dated 8:35:53 03-02-92 35716 <--> 35789
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
SEEK AND BUY THE ORIGINALS.... AND IF THE ORIGINATOR SAYS, "NO
MORE..." RESPECT THAT
Msg #35788 Dated 8:35:57 03-02-92 35717 <--> 35791
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Ask Tabman and maybe Lichtman remembers... about the Biro Card
Stab... ahahahaha... a TRUE MIRACLE (it does not always work)
But when it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #35789 Dated 8:36:02 03-02-92 35719 <--> 35790
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Those NOT in the business (semi or full time) often DO NOT EVEN
REALIZE IT IS WRONG... THEY JUST DON'T KNOW... and not caring is
one reason why.
.
Last night on "Inside the Comic Mind" Alan King show... he was
interviewing friend, Jerry Sienfelf. THE GENERATION GAP between
the two was INCREDIBLE... King would say, about how you write a
gag... "OK two guys are walking down the street, one falls...."
Jerry said, "NO two guys walking down the street isn't funny
anymore...."
.
Jerry said (he mentioned conversations about the subject with Leno)
STEALING is the big thing now. When a comic comes on the scene
and STEALS MATERIAL... he is FINISHED... OUT... everyone comes
down on him... With all the clubs and all the comics ALL YOU HAVE
TO SELL NOW.... IS YOUR ORIGINALITY.... that is ALL.... so when it
is stolen IT IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Msg #35790 Dated 8:36:20 03-02-92 35719 <--> 35800
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Oh, Sienfeld also said: (about fact that there are so many comics)
"I love it... with so much competition IT MAKES YOU WORK HARDER
TO DEVELOPE NEW AND ORIGINAL MATERIAL..."
Msg #35791 Dated 8:36:25 03-02-92 35720 <--> 35796
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
DREAMER.... Look at Genii (and others I think)... they have been
running two ads for RIP OFFS of the Harbin Chair suspension. And
one ad has the GUTS to say, "Don't buy the copy" (referring to
the other ad)... and the first one is pure crap.... workmanship
sucks, chairs are so weak if you put anyone bigger than a 10 yr.
old on they would fall over!
.
The beat goes on. These dudes haven't a clue. I don't want to
go into the guy that knocked off the Origami Box and told Stienmeyer
it was DIFFERENT... because he found a new kind of HINGE!!!!!!!
.
PUKE PUKE PUKE....
Msg #35792 Dated 8:36:39 03-02-92 35724 <--> 36046
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
Well, its in the book.... been out for 20 years or so.... argh...
Msg #35793 Dated 8:36:42 03-02-92 35725 <--> 35847
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I used to get booked CONSTANTLY at one comedy club. One night I
asked the boss, "howcum you bring me back so often?" He said,
"You are the only comedy magician that does NEW material every time
you work!"
.
Unreal... I had NOT EVER CHANGED ONE ITEM IN THE TRICK BAG... SAME
STUFF EVERY TIME.... but I never, well almost never, say the same
stuff... I only comment and rap with the audience... what their
references are become the show.... again.... PERCEPTION IS
EVERYTHING... he percieved me as doing NEW material. Once again,
proving the trick is Thirdendary (new word, one down the food
chain from secondary!)
Msg #35794 Dated 8:36:55 03-02-92 35728 <--> 35813
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Petaluma is only 6 hour drive dude. From World HQ.
Msg #35796 Dated 8:37:03 03-02-92 35740 <--> 35797
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
A friend of mine has often said, "Magicians stop thinking too soon"
Msg #35797 Dated 8:37:06 03-02-92 35742 <--> 35798
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You got one strike back.
Msg #35798 Dated 8:37:09 03-02-92 35744 <--> 35802
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I wouldn't go if I wasn't a semi paid worker. Can't afford to even
go out of sight right now.
Msg #35800 Dated 8:37:17 03-02-92 35761 <--> 35804
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
One thing I have proposed at the IBM is to NOT ALLOW DEALERS to
display at conventions. ONLY MANUFACTURERS... Kinda like the real
world trade show. A guy with a little store comes to see what the
wholesaler/manufacturer has for the coming year!
.
Boy did that fall on deaf ears!
Msg #35801 Dated 8:37:25 03-02-92 35764 <--> 35892
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Now make up your mind. Is it Biazarre or Bizzare?
Msg #35802 Dated 8:37:28 03-02-92 35770 <--> 35805
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I don't know where it came from, but for at least 20 years, I
used the line "gravity, one of our more successful laws"... in
the context of a routine...
Msg #35803 Dated 8:37:33 03-02-92 35773 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISMS
It COULD be a cult, start it.
Msg #35804 Dated 8:37:36 03-02-92 35774 <--> 35908
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I dunno, T A, many see an effect and want it and don't really know
or care who it belongs to. Too many... Betty Davenport used to
tell us they always knew where their father was performing as
the orders would come in for Mutilated Parasol in a geographic
order matching his known route.
Msg #35805 Dated 8:37:43 03-02-92 35775 <--> 35854
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Why not? One's dumb is anothers major miracle... it, again, is
the performer. I used to watch Duke Stern take ANY DUMB item out
of the drawer at Abbott Get Togethers, fiddle with it a minute or
two and go onstage (in the dealer room) and do a very entertaining
routine with it... again, the trick didn't really matter... Sterno
was just capable of seeing something in almost anything that would
make it good to watch. You didn't care much if it was a dumb or
a smart effect.
Msg #35806 Dated 8:37:53 03-02-92 35776 <--> 35888
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
I think it is OK to learn it EXACTLY as shown, as long as once
you have the mechanical side of it learned you then remove it from
the conscious level of the teacher and let it grow into what is
your level of perception to what it should or could be... and make
it your own. Learning how to do it - technically - is less than
half the learn process.
Msg #35807 Dated 9:11:40 03-02-92 34995 <--> 35808
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
I'm going to try and look at the old config.sys. You know I was
thinking, would the Shell command have anything to do with it?
Msg #35808 Dated 9:12:31 03-02-92 35001 <--> 35815
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISKETTES
You're right there, but then that seems to be typical sailing for me.
Msg #35809 Dated 9:13:02 03-02-92 35042 <--> 35810
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Cy:
Yes, I do have a 1.44m - that I'm sure of. Disks which were formated
on this machine prior to my crash work fine on other machines. I think
it's something not related to hardware.
By the way, I believe we met several years ago at a convention
somewhere. Didn't you write a card book (or booklet some years ago)?
Msg #35810 Dated 9:15:09 03-02-92 35064 <--> 35816
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Gee, I never thought of that. Are you saying they could have been
formated on say, DOS 4.01, and won't work in DOS 5.0? But then, why
wouldn't wipedisk work?
Msg #35811 Dated 9:46:03 03-02-92 35771 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CASTLE TONITE
If there was any feedback from the animal people as Ed Alonzo hacked
the bunny apart, I didn't hear about it. His feeling is that the
"bunny parts" are so obviously fake that no-one could believe it is the
real bunny being transfered.
Msg #35813 Dated 9:52:22 03-02-92 35794 <--> 35849
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Uh, yeah, only a 6 hour drive - but remember - right now I got problems
with every vehicle I own. The motorhome tranny (the $1,000 tranny job
in the desert) is LEAKING, the brakes and possibly the alternator on
the jeep are shot, and the Cad is a born looser - bad tranny, engine
leaking oil and boiling water.
Hey, anyone wanna buy a used car?
Msg #35815 Dated 9:56:17 03-02-92 35807 <--> 35850
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
If you have both the old config.sys and the new one, could you send me
a copy? Either send it as a file to me here, or fax (818) 896-3967 (9
a.m. to 9 p.m. Pacific Time on weekdays). Maybe can find something.
I wouldn't have thought Shell could make that particular difference,
since, if you don't specify a Shell it defaults to Command.Com.
Msg #35816 Dated 10:00:33 03-02-92 35810 <--> 35924
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
No, he's saying that maybe your FORMAT.COM program is somehow left over
from a previous version. There are several ways that that could
happen. But most often, if that is the case, the error message would
be "Incorrect DOS Version" rather than what you are getting.
Msg #35817 Dated 10:06:16 03-02-92 34526 <--> 35851
From: GENO MUNARI
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MELINDA
Thanks Steve...sorry I am so late in answering your message, but I
have been very busy with Hanky Panky at the Continental Hotel.
She opens on the 3rd, and it is going to be a great show. I will
arrange for you to see it when you get into Las Vegas.
Sincerely,
Geno
Msg #35818 Dated 10:06:28 03-02-92 34551 <--> 35819
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Sorry I could not get to your birthday bash,,,,,I really would have e
enjoyed it..See you soon...
Msg #35819 Dated 10:06:34 03-02-92 34605 <--> 35831
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Sure...I will be happy to arrange your show.
Msg #35820 Dated 10:06:39 03-02-92 -> 36047
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: RADIO MAGIC
I am looking for a several good pieces of magic to do over the
radio.....I would appreciate a bibliography if anyone has one, or
I would be happy to pay for the pieces that I use, if someone has
a routine...Preferably the effect will be mental, but for me to
sell it, I will use a "gambling" premise. I find it very difficult,
for me, to sell myself as a mentalist, however it is easy for me to
sell a mental effect, in a gambling presentation. For instance:
I sometimes will use the nailwriter to guess weight, change in pocket
or even in a spec. guessing a lottery number....This style appeals
to me.
Msg #35831 Dated 13:35:27 03-02-92 35818 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Thanks. It was great. Lots of friends and good food. Sure wish you
could have been there.
Msg #35832 Dated 13:36:29 03-02-92 -> 35833
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: BIRTHDAY WISHES
Thanks to all for the many cards and birthday phone calls that cam emy
way. It really made it a very special day. THANKS AGAIN!!!!! Mike.
Msg #35833 Dated 13:49:31 03-02-92 35832 <--> 36030
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: BIRTHDAY WISHES
Did Vicky JO like the Fri menu mention?
Msg #35839 Dated 19:31:43 03-02-92 -> 35842
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
One is reminded of the words of master political
prankster Dick Tuck (of the Nixon era), upon losing his
first real political contest: "The people have
spoken -- the bastards!" To wit, I received my copy of
M A G I C today. Disappointed, yes, but hey: you pays
your money, you takes your chances. I injected enough
opinion into the book (and still stand behind it!) that
I expected negative as well as positive comment, and
I'm sufficiently pleased with the positive to date (yet
to see print) to not be too bothered, all in all. It's
so TEMPTING to rebut, but that seems counterproductive
regarding what is a clear, but honest, difference in
points of view. Also, hard to get down about anything
with the DMS less than two weeks away!
Msg #35842 Dated 19:48:06 03-02-92 35839 <--> 35853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
My copy of M A G I C arrived today too, but I haven't yet really had a
chance to go thru it. Sounds like a certain lawyer came down on your
case?
Msg #35844 Dated 19:55:58 03-02-92 -> 35864
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
We are still attempting to get our Telebit 9600-baud to
hook up. Called Telebit today; they hooked up with
you, we didn't. Apparently our S50 setting depends
somewhat on your S92. Will play with it some more
tomorrow.
Speaking of computers, this week's (March 2) issue of
the New Yorker has a fascinating story about two wacky
brothers, formerly of Russia and now in the U.S., who
built a supercomputer in their apartment for $70k of
mailorder parts. In addition to heating their
apartment with the thing, they primarily use it to
calculate pi out to ridiculous accuracies. They hold
the world record at over 2 billion digits. Really
funny stuff in the article.
Msg #35847 Dated 20:04:28 03-02-92 35727 <--> 35857
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Clear difference between references and viewpoints. Thanks.
Viewpoints sound like sub-text.
Msg #35849 Dated 20:10:09 03-02-92 35813 <--> 35869
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Not I cried the little red hen. Amtrak goes from yo' place to mine!
Msg #35850 Dated 20:10:12 03-02-92 35815 <--> 35871
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
David... howcum when I just downloaded I got all my own messages
that I posted last night? ?ARgh?
Msg #35851 Dated 20:10:16 03-02-92 35817 <--> 35912
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA
Genoooooooooooo.... I hit LV March 12 (evening) and leave Sunday
after. At Gold Coast. See you.
Msg #35853 Dated 20:10:33 03-02-92 35842 <--> 35873
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
OOOOPS>>>> now I can't wait to see what Weber said about your
book, Steve... argh????
Msg #35854 Dated 20:19:45 03-02-92 35754 <--> 35856
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I think I mean dumb methods. There are some out there. Faro
shuffles are among them. Ballantine did great effect. The methods
were screwy. 90% - 10% about right.
Msg #35855 Dated 20:19:53 03-02-92 35759 <--> 35960
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Max - I must have missed the point. The possibilities must have
had limits though. At 5 minutes per effect, that would make 960
effects and a time of 3 days and 8 hours. That's a lot.
Msg #35856 Dated 20:20:00 03-02-92 35760 <--> 35877
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The card stab is possible. It's possible to stab a card or
between two cards. Therefore the trick is improbable. My problem
with the Card Sword is that the point of the sword would push a
card away, not go through it. The demonstraton is one of skill or
improbable. Intoducing the impossible is against the method.
Burton and Sheets have entertained me with their presentations.
Msg #35857 Dated 20:20:11 03-02-92 35793 <--> 35867
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Yeah - there's a good word "tertiary" - no need to invent one.
Msg #35862 Dated 20:50:12 03-02-92 -> 35872
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: CHILI
I am making a big pot of chili right now. Everyone is cordially
invited for dinner!
Msg #35866 Dated 21:55:07 03-02-92 35735 <--> 35868
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
You got it. I think I will have some questions regarding getting on and
off this BBS quickly.
Msg #35867 Dated 21:56:27 03-02-92 35847 <--> 35879
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I suspect that both references and viewpoints come across in any
performance. If I think my audience is stupid, regardless of age, then
that viewpoint will certainly come across. I'm not sure it is sub-text
as much as it is performance value.
Msg #35868 Dated 21:56:05 03-02-92 35765 <--> 35876
From: FRANK ZAK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Yes. I got it and I unzipped it. The only problem is I don't know what
to do with it. Also, Tabby sent me his modem commandos paper. I had a
hard time deciphering it also. As you can tell, I have a computer but
I am far from literate with it.
Msg #35869 Dated 21:58:24 03-02-92 35849 <--> 35880
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Yeah, I may have to look into taking Amtrack. Heck, I may have to take
Amtrack to go grocery shopping at the rate my vehicles are dying!
Msg #35870 Dated 21:58:14 03-02-92 35710 <--> 35881
From: FRANK ZAK
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
Altoona, PA.??? There is a fantastic drive in there with the best chili
(Texas) dogs in the world.
Msg #35871 Dated 22:00:22 03-02-92 35850 <--> 35882
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Well, did you upload the messages last night after downloading the
others? Maybe that could explain it.
Msg #35872 Dated 22:00:35 03-02-92 35862 <--> 35875
From: FRANK ZAK
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CHILI
Yeah, Right. I live in Vegas. Some invite.
Msg #35873 Dated 22:01:46 03-02-92 35853 <--> 35883
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Well, Steve is right about the review being difficult to counter. To
some extent, Weber damns him with faint praise.
Msg #35875 Dated 22:10:21 03-02-92 35862 <--> 35878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CHILI
Sheesh! I wish I'd read your message earlier! I was thinkin' of
making chili tonight, but changed my mind and went with hot dogs and
eggs. Yeah, I can make fancier stuff, but Nathan doesn't care for it.
Msg #35876 Dated 22:12:15 03-02-92 35866 <--> 35885
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Will be glad to try to answer your questions about getting on and off
of here quickly. But if Pete Biro and the Tabman are there, you will
want to talk to them too - they are the hot-shots at it.
Msg #35877 Dated 23:11:40 03-02-92 35856 <--> 35887
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Try using cards in a paper bag and piercing bag with a card sword.
Billy McComb mentions this as a way to keep the floor clean.
.
Crandall had a GREAT method with ungaffed, curved scimitar. And
is it the Richard Potter act (Bob Olson?) where he sticks an un-
gaffed sword thru a card (stealing it off the floor?) Fooled me
badly with it first time I saw it...
.
Then there's my card caught in a real rat trap... hah... my proto-
type hangs on the wall in the guest quarters at the Tabman Mansion
in Tennessee...
Msg #35878 Dated 23:11:52 03-02-92 35862 <--> 35884
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CHILI
I just boiled an 8 lb. chicken, making Jewish Penicillin... even
tho am a gentile...
Msg #35879 Dated 23:11:56 03-02-92 35867 <--> 35894
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I had a Salvation Army senior's Xmas party to do (someone else
promised I would work it...!!!! ex wife)... anyway... all week long
I was dreading it... But when I got there and they were all pretty
cool (albiet aged...) folks I got into it, and wound up doing a
killer show for them... and HAD A GREAT TIME MYSELF.
Msg #35880 Dated 23:12:02 03-02-92 35869 <--> 35895
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
When a car gets to a point, it is like a horse with a broken leg.
Shoot it. ARgh... we have started a new thing at the magazine
where we will be doing about 2 DRIVE! Magazine "driving impressions"
per issue... guess what? The factories are BEGGING US TO BORROW
CARS FROM THEM... we just got (AND THEY DELIVER... NO QUESTIONS
ASKED)... a Dodge Daytona IROC Shelby... ZIPPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
.
Have a van coming next week. And then a BMW and then... droooooool,
a new Corvette! Hah... what perks... zipadee doo dah...
Msg #35881 Dated 23:12:12 03-02-92 35870 <--> 35896
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
Once in awhile I get lucky and get some of Carroll Shelby's
3 Alarm Chili.
Msg #35882 Dated 23:12:16 03-02-92 35871 <--> 35923
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
HOw the crum do I know what I do? I am so abstract even I have no
idea what I have been doing for the last 12 months...
Msg #35883 Dated 23:12:20 03-02-92 35873 <--> 35900
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Will hopefully get tomorrow. Stan Allen just sent me a photo of
Raymond Burr doing (?) the Linking Rings...
Msg #35884 Dated 23:12:24 03-02-92 35875 <--> 35893
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHILI
Try Hangtown Fry. Eggs, scrambled with oysters. Or Joe's Special.
Brown in hot stir fry pan, ground beef. Toss in tender cut
spinach, mushrooms and then when all is at heated frenzy pitch
in two eggs and keep stirring... You will know when it is done
and you will be in heaven!
.
Next to that "Chef Wizzo" (that's me) has a great Secret Spaghetti
Meat Sauce... not to mention the aforementioned Chicken Soup.
.
And all is idiot, or magician, proof. Like you can read the
instructions and serve the meal with little practice that night.
Msg #35885 Dated 23:12:36 03-02-92 35876 <--> 35914
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Nuttin' to it... just IMP-rovise... Burton is the key helper.
My average ONLINE time is 1.3 minutes. Now if I could just cut
back from six to four times a day..... ARgh.....
Msg #35887 Dated 23:16:26 03-02-92 35775 <--> 35889
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
T. A.,
This all started when I was coaxing Pete to give me a critique of
effects I was posting. He said that the performance was the
thing. I agreed, stating that a master could make anything look
good, and an idiot couldn't make anything look good. Cy wrote
back and said that there were some items that even a master
couldn't make good. I wrote back, and disagreed. That's where
you came in. I don't know why a master would want to make a bad
trick look good. I'm not a master. But I'm working on it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35888 Dated 23:16:36 03-02-92 35776 <--> 35904
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
T. A.,
I don't agree that a video will result in the student doing the
effect exactly the way the teacher does. If anything, I'd guess
that private lessons would be more of a problem that way. Any
originality on the student's part will get a "No, I said to do it
THIS way" from a teacher. (Before you bring up the point, no,
not all teachers would react like this, but I'd bet a majority
would.)
Unless a magician is a gifted writer, most illusions become so
convoluted on paper as to defy imagination. What seems like a
wonderful effect on paper is lost in words. What seems stupid on
paper becomes a killer routine. I'm not for throwing out all the
books, but do believe that video has a very important place in
learning.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35889 Dated 23:16:47 03-02-92 35796 <--> 35890
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
The sad truth is that most everyone stops thinking too soon.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35890 Dated 23:16:55 03-02-92 35798 <--> 35898
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
I know the feeling finacially. I've spent my whole life with
either more money than I knew what to do with, or so broke that,
to quote Mark Twain again; "If they was sellin' riverboats for 50
cents a piece, all I could do would be to run up and down the
banks yellin' 'Ain't that cheap!'"
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35892 Dated 23:17:13 03-02-92 35801 <--> 35910
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pete,
That's twice you've (no wait, let me put that in captals) YOU'VE
corrected spelling.
Something about a pot calling a kettle....
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35893 Dated 23:22:58 03-02-92 35884 <--> 35899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHILI
That "Joe's Special" (named for Joe Stevens?) sounds pretty good, only
I'd leave out the mushrooms. Maybe even the spinach. I can do a
pretty mean kitchen routine when I want to. But still, best of all, is
Gloria's Brunswick Stew made with fresh road kills. That ain't food --
that's Heaven!
Msg #35894 Dated 23:25:50 03-02-92 35879 <--> 35928
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I've done programs for the handicapped and had a great time. You just
have to remember to expect less applause if they can't move their
hands. .
Msg #35895 Dated 23:27:28 03-02-92 35880 <--> 35929
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to shoot the Cadillac. Bummer.
Msg #35896 Dated 23:28:41 03-02-92 35881 <--> 35930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
Frank:
When next you is in L.A., let me know. Got a couple of pretty good
chili places around here.
Msg #35898 Dated 23:30:38 03-02-92 35854 <--> 35903
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Cy,
Have you ever seen Richard Turner with a Faro shuffle. If I have
a problem with creating, it is over-creating. I have to fight to
keep it simple.
I think I'm gonna put a tape together of these illusions and send
them to some people on the board. Get a better critique of them
that way.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35899 Dated 23:30:46 03-02-92 35875 <--> 35927
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHILI
I'm with Nathan.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #35900 Dated 23:30:41 03-02-92 35883 <--> 35932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Raymond Burr doing the Linking Rings? Sheesh! Now if you could only
get a video of Orson Welles doin' em.
Msg #35903 Dated 0:35:48 03-03-92 35805 <--> 35911
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Part of what the performer IS concerns his or her selection of effects
-- and if you just do anything, reasoning that your performing skills
can carry it off, I don't see how it is possible to do anything close
to your best. It is possible to turn that around, you know; I can
think of more than one performer who took the Ken Brooke stuff, with
carefully worked-out presentations and bits of business, performed them
word-for-word very successfully...and these people were not very good
performers, but the material was so good it concealed that. Also, this
is only true up to a workaday level, if one just thinks of performing
as a job (and I realize there are those that do, although I don't
understand such people). If you want to go beyond that, selection of
material is as crucial to an artist in magic as in any other phase of
show business.
Msg #35904 Dated 0:40:28 03-03-92 35806 <--> 35907
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
But a lot of people never get beyond exactly what they're shown -- and
the more precisely they learn it to begin with, the less likely they
are to adapt it.
Msg #35905 Dated 0:37:30 03-03-92 -> 35947
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SCANNER
Hey Scott, I have a 24-bit flatbed color scanner. I'd be willing to
scan photos and post them to the library. At 24-bit, the files are too
big, but I can go low resolution and compressed. I'm on a Mac, but I
think I can save them as PCX files as well as tiff, eps, pict, paint,
etc. If anybody has anything interesting they'd like to send me for
scanning, leave me e-mail. I'll scan the picture, upload it to Magic!,
and mail you back the original. Or, drop it off, if you like. I'm in
Alhambra, CA (between Pasadena and Montebello).
Msg #35907 Dated 0:53:01 03-03-92 35776 <--> 35915
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
I would agree that we don't want video's to be used to create an
inordinate amount of clones. However, the primary advantage that
can ONLY be realized via video is learning of precise timing and or
hand positions for dificult sleights.
.
Philosophy and background are better done with supporting written
material. I sometimes puzzle for hours over how to make the transitio
n from figure 4 to figure 5, where the written material describes a
series of motions to get from 4 to 5. It seems a short video sequence
KEYED to the text would make to whole process easier.
.
Use video for what it's best at and written material for it's forte.
Can't we have both for a true learning package that teaches the
methods the way the author intended them. Once you you learn the way
the author does it you can easily modify the method to meet your
own unique requirements.
Msg #35908 Dated 0:53:09 03-03-92 35774 <--> 35909
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
That's what I'm suggesting a means of letting the magic community
know who the BAD GUYS are. Until I heard about some of Tannen's
practices I merely assumed they were as reputable in their distributi
on of creative material as everyone else in the business.
.
Hmmmm, after re-reading that last sentence I guess I should ask the
question, "Are they as reputable as everyone else in the business ?".
.
Maybe the first step is to come-up with a rating system of existing
dealers. Maybe a scale of 1-10 for scruples, 1-10 for fairness, etc.
Msg #35909 Dated 0:53:15 03-03-92 35800 <--> 36596
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Yea I can believe that. Relates to revenue generated by selling
booth space and the desire of Uncle Fred to get a bunch of new
tricks to bore the Cub pack with.
Msg #35910 Dated 0:53:18 03-03-92 35801 <--> 35940
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
It's what ever I want it to be, kinda like Argh, ARRGGH, Arrgh, etc.
(TM Biro).
.
Normally it's Bizarre.
.
Burton the Bizarre (TM).
Msg #35911 Dated 0:53:23 03-03-92 35805 <--> 35926
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
After the discussion at the castle yesterday I realized that we have
been talking about this whole subject as if we were all using the
same terms.
.
One group argues the performance is everything the trick is secondary
, the other side argues the trick and its method is the creative
aspect of magic.
.
It seems that it depends on the effect which is most important. I hav
e started using the term 'effect' to mean the overall impact on the
audience, which includes method, technique, and performance.
.
A good method with a good performance results in a superior
effect. However, a weak method with the appropriate strong performanc
e can also result in having a superior effect on an audience.
.
A very strong method and expert technique could stand on its own
with very little 'verbal' performance being required to make a
superior effect.
.
When we look at a given effect, we provide our own value judgemnet of
which aspects are most important to us, and will judge the result
accordingly.
Msg #35912 Dated 0:53:34 03-03-92 35851 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA
Coming in the 18th. Would like to see your show at 7pm Weds. Tabman
is going to try and change his flight and get in Weds as well.
.
Have you talked to the Real Estate friend of yours for me. Plan on
spending Thurs am looking a property.
Msg #35914 Dated 0:53:41 03-03-92 35868 <--> 35934
From: JERRY BURTON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Ok - first you edit the .ASP files and put in your password where I
put in ****. Then run ASPCOMP MAGICLOG which will create a MAGICLOG.A
SX, do the same for MAGICREP.ASP creating MAGICREP.ASX
.
In your PCPLUS directory you need to make entry # 1 dial MAGIC! and
type in MAGICLOG in the script field. The second entry should also
dial MAGIC! with MAGICREP in the script field.
.
From the PCPLUS main screen type alt-D and it will ask for the script
name, hit Enter and a list of scripts will be shown - select MAGICLOG
and the script will execute, logging you into magic, downloading all
the files into a file named MAGIC.LOG.
.
This file can be viewed using an editor or use the program I wrote
called IMP! (AKA RDMAGIC). I should have a user guide finished this
week.
.
The MAGICREP.ASX script logs you in and uploads a file named
MAGIC.REP which can be generated by IMP!.
Msg #35915 Dated 0:53:51 03-03-92 35888 <--> 35919
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Case in point of written instructions :
Step 4) Square the cards to show the 10D on top. Take the 10D in your
right hand and insert if face-down into the break. Make this insertio
n from the back end as in Tilt. Once the card is slid into the break,
release the separation, and swing the 10D around to the front end.
Leave it outjogged.
Step 5) Turn your left hand palm down to flash the exposed face of th
e 10D. Turn left hand palm up and push the 10D flush as in step 3.
You are now retaining a break under the 10D.
.
Step 6) Turn slightly to the left and flip all the cards (as a block)
above the break. When the 10D comes into view and the block is flush,
immediately push the single 10D to the right with your left thumb. It
's back on top.
.
Huh ? Step 6) blows my mind ! If I had a video of the move it would m
ake sense instantly, without having to figure what is turning slightl
y to the left (your body, your hand, what ??). Flip ALL the cards
above the break - how does this flip work ? It just doesn't have the
impact of video !
.
This Ed Marlo's 'Houdini would have bought this'.
Msg #35917 Dated 6:32:16 03-03-92 35718 <--> 36004
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
In my opinion, Cy, you've really picked a winner! When I saw Irv
perform Red Tape, I was completely convinced that THIS was the way to
perform the thumb tie! I was fooled when I saw him perform it - no,
wait. On thinking about it, I'm not sure I ever really THOUGHT about
methods when I watched Mr. Fingers perform. I liked him, trusted him,
and pretty much allowed him to take me where ever he wanted to go,
without worrying about how we got there!
But I finally did get to see some footage of Willard the Wizard doing
the thumb tie! What a fascinating guy HE was!
Msg #35919 Dated 6:37:54 03-03-92 35739 <--> 35937
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Here is a strange idea for your ping pong ball juggling bit - let's say
you get one of these hand held fans that run on a couple of batteries.
Now, take the blades off the fan, and replace them with about 15" of
thin wire, with a ping pong ball on the end of the wire. Place the fan
against your chest, in the same fashion as a FISM FLASH. (This will
have to be pretty firmly placed - maybe with Bondini?) Also, the on /
off switch is under your arm - again as in the Fism Flash. Place the
ping pong balls in your inside coat pocket. When the time is right,
take them out, and turn on the fan by pressing your arm against the
switch at your side. The blades of the fan start spinning, rapidly
turning the balls in a circle, as you move your right and left hands
quickly up and down as if you are juggling the balls! Maybe at one
point you could spot someone in the audience you know, and give them a
wave, or something, as the balls are spinning. Turn the fan off after
about 10 seconds, catch the balls, and then put them back into your
pocket to finish.
Would this work? Don't know. But it seems like that would be a pretty
funny sight, if you didn't over do it. Some things that are funny for
a few seconds will lose a lot, if they go even a little too long.
Msg #35923 Dated 8:21:44 03-03-92 35815 <--> 35931
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
I can send you the new config.sys but not the old one. The old one is
backed up on fastback on 3.5's. I can't access the 3.5's because of the
drive problem. I'll get the conffig.sys and get back to you.
Msg #35924 Dated 8:23:06 03-03-92 35816 <--> 35953
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Ok, Then I'll assume format.com is ok.
Msg #35926 Dated 8:48:11 03-03-92 35856 <--> 35936
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Try using cards in a paper bag and piercing bag with a card sword.
Billy McComb mentions this as a way to keep the floor clean.
.
Crandall had a GREAT method with ungaffed, curved scimitar. And
is it the Richard Potter act (Bob Olson?) where he sticks an un-
gaffed sword thru a card (stealing it off the floor?) Fooled me
badly with it first time I saw it...
.
Then there's my card caught in a real rat trap... hah... my proto-
type hangs on the wall in the guest quarters at the Tabman Mansion
in Tennessee...
Msg #35927 Dated 8:48:24 03-03-92 35862 <--> 35933
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CHILI
I just boiled an 8 lb. chicken, making Jewish Penicillin... even
tho am a gentile...
Msg #35928 Dated 8:48:28 03-03-92 35867 <--> 35942
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
I had a Salvation Army senior's Xmas party to do (someone else
promised I would work it...!!!! ex wife)... anyway... all week long
I was dreading it... But when I got there and they were all pretty
cool (albiet aged...) folks I got into it, and wound up doing a
killer show for them... and HAD A GREAT TIME MYSELF.
Msg #35929 Dated 8:48:34 03-03-92 35869 <--> 36049
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
When a car gets to a point, it is like a horse with a broken leg.
Shoot it. ARgh... we have started a new thing at the magazine
where we will be doing about 2 DRIVE! Magazine "driving impressions"
per issue... guess what? The factories are BEGGING US TO BORROW
CARS FROM THEM... we just got (AND THEY DELIVER... NO QUESTIONS
ASKED)... a Dodge Daytona IROC Shelby... ZIPPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
.
Have a van coming next week. And then a BMW and then... droooooool,
a new Corvette! Hah... what perks... zipadee doo dah...
Msg #35930 Dated 8:48:45 03-03-92 35870 <--> 36037
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
Once in awhile I get lucky and get some of Carroll Shelby's
3 Alarm Chili.
Msg #35931 Dated 8:48:49 03-03-92 35871 <--> 35951
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
HOw the crum do I know what I do? I am so abstract even I have no
idea what I have been doing for the last 12 months...
Msg #35932 Dated 8:48:53 03-03-92 35873 <--> 35944
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Will hopefully get tomorrow. Stan Allen just sent me a photo of
Raymond Burr doing (?) the Linking Rings...
Msg #35933 Dated 8:48:57 03-03-92 35875 <--> 35941
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHILI
Try Hangtown Fry. Eggs, scrambled with oysters. Or Joe's Special.
Brown in hot stir fry pan, ground beef. Toss in tender cut
spinach, mushrooms and then when all is at heated frenzy pitch
in two eggs and keep stirring... You will know when it is done
and you will be in heaven!
.
Next to that "Chef Wizzo" (that's me) has a great Secret Spaghetti
Meat Sauce... not to mention the aforementioned Chicken Soup.
.
And all is idiot, or magician, proof. Like you can read the
instructions and serve the meal with little practice that night.
Msg #35934 Dated 8:49:09 03-03-92 35876 <--> 36036
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Nuttin' to it... just IMP-rovise... Burton is the key helper.
My average ONLINE time is 1.3 minutes. Now if I could just cut
back from six to four times a day..... ARgh.....
Msg #35936 Dated 8:49:19 03-03-92 35887 <--> 35939
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Anyone, master or not, SHOULD want to make any trick, good or bad,
LOOK GOOD... Who said, "It is better to look good than feel good"
(a well known popular comedian, that's who)
Msg #35937 Dated 8:49:24 03-03-92 35888 <--> 35938
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Orsen Welles took some standard illusions and made theatrical
miracles out of them.
Msg #35938 Dated 8:49:28 03-03-92 35888 <--> 35998
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Slydini CLONE students would all say, "coma close... look... watch..
(those that thought about it and had presentation styles of their
own took the same magic (mechanically) and made it different.
Msg #35939 Dated 8:49:33 03-03-92 35889 <--> 35943
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I thought so.
Msg #35940 Dated 8:49:36 03-03-92 35892 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pot, Kettle. Whuts thayat? Spellling? Whoooooo
Msg #35941 Dated 8:49:39 03-03-92 35893 <--> 35949
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHILI
NO... Joe is an italian cook in San Francisco.... mmmm goood. Thje
version without the mushrooms is less money on the menu.
Msg #35942 Dated 8:49:43 03-03-92 35894 <--> 35955
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
If they just nod is enuf. I did a show for blind once, describing
all the magic.
Msg #35943 Dated 8:49:47 03-03-92 35898 <--> 35945
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
No comment on Turner, have not seen him in few years. But a true
faro shuffle can be done with one not knowing it has happened at
all. Fred Robinson used to do perfect tabled faro shuffles.
Msg #35944 Dated 8:49:52 03-03-92 35900 <--> 35956
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
I have searched a huge archival photo outfit with big time computer
listings.. and no pix of O W doing magic...
Msg #35945 Dated 8:49:56 03-03-92 35903 <--> 35995
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Right... it is the level one wishes to attain that sets the needs,
etc.
Msg #35947 Dated 10:17:45 03-03-92 35905 <--> 35957
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: SCANNER
Rick,
If you do scan anything, do it in .GIF format. Do you have a .gif
converter?
Msg #35948 Dated 11:18:35 03-03-92 -> 35958
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: HANK PANKY SHOW TIMES
I have had several magicians ask me to post the show times for HANKY
PANKY, my magic revue at the Continental Hotel, upstairs......
7 pm & 9 pm each night except Monday.....
$8.95 plus tax, and you get dinner....and you can eat anytime within 24
hours of buying your ticket.....
Hope to see you all.
Msg #35949 Dated 11:26:50 03-03-92 35927 <--> 35972
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHILI
Funny, you don't look gentile.
Msg #35951 Dated 12:24:19 03-03-92 35923 <--> 35952
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Ah, you'd mentioned the old one, so I assumed you had a copy on hand.
OK, let me see what the new one looks like.
Msg #35952 Dated 12:24:56 03-03-92 35931 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISKETTES
As to not knowing what you've been doing for the past 12 months, you
ain't alone. Anita comes home and asks me what I had for lunch and it
takes me about a minute to remember where I left the paper I wrote it
down on! Maybe that's why I consider myself a futurist?
Msg #35953 Dated 12:26:12 03-03-92 35924 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Assume NOTHING, but I would find suspecting the Format program less
likely.
Msg #35955 Dated 12:29:23 03-03-92 35942 <--> 35973
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
So far, I haven't done any shows for the blind. But with the way I do
magic, it wouldn't hurt!
Msg #35956 Dated 12:30:29 03-03-92 35944 <--> 35974
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Oh, well, I guess you can't have a picture of Orson Welles in the book
then. By the way, isn't it time you finished writing it and sent it on
to be published? It's already encyclopaedic enough!
Msg #35957 Dated 12:31:54 03-03-92 35947 <--> 35987
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SCANNER
Uh, personally, I rather prefer PCX format if they are going to be for
the MAGIC! files.
Msg #35958 Dated 12:32:22 03-03-92 35948 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HANK PANKY SHOW TIMES
OK, THANKS, Geno! I hope to get to see your show during DMS. And, of
course, will see you at DMS!
Msg #35959 Dated 12:41:56 03-03-92 35364 <--> 35967
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKED
Maybe there is a little switch on Biro that is also turned off!
Msg #35960 Dated 12:42:03 03-03-92 35365 <--> 35964
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Fortunately, I was quite a bit older when I found Flosso's. Actually
I knew what I was looking for when I found it. I also remember the f
first time I encountered a Charlotte Rousse and it was much later
than when I found Flosso's. Both were extremely nice experiences.
Msg #35961 Dated 12:42:16 03-03-92 35369 <--> 35977
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Gadzooks! After all that research and effort plus the great shout-
ing and predictions, I thought it would be the closing act of the
session! Guess I had the wrong tip.
Msg #35962 Dated 12:42:26 03-03-92 35372 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I would suspect it could become a real pain in the glass.
Msg #35964 Dated 12:42:42 03-03-92 35383 <--> 35966
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
The existing publications dealing with Frank and/or his material do
not even scratch the surface or convey much of an idea of what he
was like. I guess you just had to be there.
Msg #35966 Dated 12:43:22 03-03-92 35386 <--> 35976
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Phil Thomas' Yogi Magic Mart had a small stage in the upstairs "back
room". Other back rooms I have known only had a small table...mostly
close up in the back rooms I have been in. In a VERY few shops, the
magic was in the back room and not readily available to the general
public.
Msg #35967 Dated 12:43:37 03-03-92 35388 <--> 35975
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKED
It is right by the garfrazio reserve torque wrench.
Msg #35968 Dated 12:43:42 03-03-92 35426 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
Scott -
With regard to your question on when magic conventions are held. I
can only speak for the IBM Annual Convention, but I suspect what I
say will hold true for many others to some degree.
The IBM convention dates generally depend on when we are able to
obtain the most favorable room rates with the hotel(s) we are using.
We have held the convention on or near the July 4 holiday for the
last fifteen years or so because of the down time for hotels and the
resulting lower rates we are able to obtain in most locations. The
weekends are also generally down times for hotels and we are usually
able to obtain better rates if we hold the convention in the hotel
over a Saturday and a Sunday. Although the most common days for the
convention are Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday; we have held
the convention on Saturday through Tuesday, &Thursday through Monday.
Another factor is the fact that cheaper airfares usually require one
to stay over a Saturday, thereby making weekday only conventions
more expensive for the air traveler to attend.
Msg #35970 Dated 12:47:40 03-03-92 -> 35982
From: HEINZ MINTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RINGS
Are writing a book about the history of the linking rings or just
everything you get?
Have you heard about the NewmaN rINGS? If not maybe this something
diifferent for you.
Heinz
Msg #35972 Dated 13:10:36 03-03-92 35949 <--> 35997
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CHILI
I am as gentile as a lamb...
Msg #35973 Dated 13:10:39 03-03-92 35955 <--> 35985
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Yah, the thumb tip could be used there!!!!!!!!!!! Har....
Msg #35974 Dated 13:10:42 03-03-92 35956 <--> 35986
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Got another couple hundred pages to go. Want those that buy it
to suffer hernia on other side (Stewart James took care of one)!
Msg #35975 Dated 13:10:46 03-03-92 35959 <--> 35981
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SKED
Thanks dude... thanks a lot... will cut you off now....
Msg #35976 Dated 13:10:48 03-03-92 35960 <--> 35978
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
First time I went into Flosso's shop I turned around and left
hoping no one saw me... I thought... "Gee what a bunch of old
dusty crap!" ARgh... if I only knew... well, I did soon enough
and became one of Al's back room guys and in fact when I was in
NY ALWAYS had dinner nearly every night with Flosso.
Msg #35977 Dated 13:10:55 03-03-92 35961 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Thumb luck.
Msg #35978 Dated 13:10:58 03-03-92 35964 <--> 35980
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I was there. Saw the Master
Deck in action many times.....
Msg #35980 Dated 13:11:07 03-03-92 35966 <--> 35983
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Right, the real stuff was in the back. At Ken Brooke's the backroom
was more manufacturing and filing, not enuf room.
.
FACTOID: Andrew Lloyd Weber (Phantom of Opera, CATS, JC Superstar,
etc.) used to have office in same building one flight up from
Ken Brooke. Shared the Loo.
Msg #35981 Dated 13:11:14 03-03-92 35967 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SKED
That is just where I found it. Thanks.
Msg #35982 Dated 13:11:17 03-03-92 35970 <--> 36011
From: PETE BIRO
To: HEINZ MINTEN (X)
Re: RINGS
Heinz. I would like to know more about the Newman Rings. I am doing
a book with history (have traced it to the 1700s in Japan, but to
the 1500s in Europe) and am including as many classic and different
routines as I can. Have room for more. I have a set of locking
rings that work magnetically. I understand this was a winning
effect at a FISM, but one I did not attend. Do you recall when,
where and who came up with this. I have feeling it was a German
fellow or Austrian, not sure.
.
Do you still communicate with Veronin and Galina? I would like to
contact them. I understand they are coming to the IBM and the Magic
Castle? But I have not booked them. I need to find out what it is
they believe. I can get very very low priced air tickets for them
from Moscow to Los Angeles. Thanks to someone here on MAGIC!
Msg #35983 Dated 14:13:21 03-03-92 35960 <--> 36009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
One thing that did encourage me as a young person was the kindness I
found in the local magic store. I would save up my pennies and nickels
and go down there and buy stuff. I'm sure I was far from the biggest
patron, but they always treated me with courtesy and took the time to
show me things. I don't know if that still occurs.
Msg #35985 Dated 14:23:16 03-03-92 35973 <--> 35994
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
We'll see about this thumb tip business, Biro, we'll see.
Msg #35986 Dated 14:24:36 03-03-92 35974 <--> 35992
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
I just want to see it finished so I can get my copy. Guess I'll have
to build an extra shelf just to hold it.
Msg #35987 Dated 15:35:13 03-03-92 35957 <--> 36017
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
but I cantuse those on my mac.
Msg #35988 Dated 17:54:20 03-03-92 34371 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SUNDAY BRUNCH 2/23
Don't know if you've already had brunch with Tom, but if you haven't,
say hi to him for me.
Msg #35989 Dated 18:00:01 03-03-92 35237 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY!!!
Hope your daughter is okay.
Msg #35992 Dated 19:45:04 03-03-92 35839 <--> 35996
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
What is your book Steve? I don't get M A G I C as yet.
Msg #35994 Dated 19:45:23 03-03-92 35867 <--> 36007
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
OK - I'll buy performance value instead of sub-text. It is a hard
think to define. Perhaps attitude would be OK. OK?
Msg #35995 Dated 19:45:30 03-03-92 35877 <--> 35999
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Am familiar with all of your references on the card stab. In my
last lecture I used an idea of Milbourne Christopher. Cards
thrown in a bag with the chosen card held near the top. Cards
shaken and a knife thrust through the upper portion and through
the card. Pull the knife upward, ripping the bag, and show the
card. Very nice and easy effect.
Msg #35996 Dated 19:45:40 03-03-92 35883 <--> 36052
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Burr doing the Rings? It must have been a Mason or Ironside
episode, and he was probably examining the props. He in effect
was a performer - not a magician.
Msg #35997 Dated 19:45:48 03-03-92 35884 <--> 36056
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHILI
Joe's eggs. What is "tender cut spinach"? I assume the two eggs
are out of their shells. I assume the mushrooms are sliced long-
ways at abour 1/8". I'd like to try so I'm not just a quidnuc.
Msg #35998 Dated 19:45:56 03-03-92 35888 <--> 36003
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
When giving lessons I DON'T tell them to do it my way. The hand
technique should have SOME exactness, but that's all. I'm quite
pleased when they show me, after practice, that they have adapted
the method.
.
I've heard tapes of Slydini, and he does insist on great detail.
I think that he is one of the exceptions.
.
From the video I've seen, would have to agree that it is a great
method of teaching. One of the best I've seen is Al Goshman's
tape. Combined with his book, it is the very best. As Biro would
say "Yowsa". I think Oulette has a similar idea. Of course almost
all tapes are showing actual performances of tricks from the
performer's book. So let's do both.
Msg #35999 Dated 19:46:14 03-03-92 35889 <--> 36000
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Kevin - Most new to the art do not have the experience or library
to continue thinking. As Earl Weaver would say, "You need a deep
bench" i.e. a lot of material to think about. I'm almost never
satisfied with a method, unless it's by Vernon. Most lesser
lights need some improvement. There's my bias.
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