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Msg #36000 Dated 19:46:24 03-03-92 35898 <--> 36001
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yes - keeping it simple is the answer. That is Vernon's secret.
Msg #36001 Dated 19:46:29 03-03-92 35903 <--> 36002
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Agree completely with the selection of material. The only problem
is - how does a new performer have the experience to choose good
material. Most of the new guys don't even know of Ken Brooke.
Msg #36002 Dated 19:46:37 03-03-92 35911 <--> 36008
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Followed you most of the way. Effect is the important thing, if
that means all you say. Method and technique without personality
and presentation could NEVER make a superior effect.
Msg #36003 Dated 19:46:45 03-03-92 35915 <--> 36005
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
I thought you were kidding until I reached the finish. Is he
using a double backed card? I have no problem with step 6. You
turn enough to make it look as if you are turning over ONE card.
If you saw it on video you might be convinced that it could look
right, but with a mirror; you could see how much to turn.
.
Again, I do think that Video is a great teacher.
Msg #36004 Dated 19:46:56 03-03-92 35917 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: IRV WEINER
Yeah - Irv could really get you with his presentation. I'm not
sure that the tape is better than cord, but it sure can cut down
the learning time. I may even look more impossible. How about
using the tape method and Willard's presentation?
Msg #36005 Dated 19:47:05 03-03-92 35937 <--> 36006
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
I'm sure that any actor, given the proper instruction, could
outdo any of our magical greats. The instruction would have to
include method and script. Perhaps this is what makes Johnny
Thompson great. He studied with Uta Hagen, and is an accomplished
actor. So is Ricky Jay.
Msg #36006 Dated 19:47:14 03-03-92 35938 <--> 36023
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Yeah - most Slydini students switch into a new persona when they
perform.
.
One of the most intriguing aspects of magic, is when Vernon
segues from a conversation to showing a trick. It is seamless.
You think he is still talking about the subject when you realize
about 1/4 way in that you are watching a trick. You have to read
a lot of his stuff to realize this approach. It is very seldom
pointed out.
Msg #36007 Dated 19:47:28 03-03-92 35942 <--> 36018
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Did a show once with just one blind person. Cups and Balls. Her
husband let her feel the props and explained what had happened.
This was in an intimate group, and the magic was incidental to
the evening's agenda. Very interesting.
Msg #36008 Dated 19:47:36 03-03-92 35943 <--> 36025
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
It ain't the shuffle. I've seen a performer shuffle until the
audience called stop. It was, of course, a staystack. Most faro
tricks are mathematical monstrosities.
Msg #36009 Dated 19:47:44 03-03-92 35964 <--> 36010
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Very little of Frank's material is in print. Most magician's
effects - you had to be there. I've seen some of Bob Sheets
effects in print, even with patter and presentation, give no idea
of his impact on an audience.
Msg #36010 Dated 19:47:52 03-03-92 35966 <--> 36012
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
The upper back room in the Yogi Magic Mart was in the place which
burned down. You could only visit that on certain nights. I'm not
sure that Phil Thomas actually had a real back room. I was there
when he opened shop so know all the venues. We all had great
times. Met Al Cohen when he was buying his first tricks from
Phil. I go back aways with a lot of them guys.
Msg #36011 Dated 19:48:03 03-03-92 35970 <--> 36059
From: CY KELLER
To: HEINZ MINTEN (X)
Re: RINGS
Am wondering about the NewmaN rINGS. Could this be the NAMREH
rings by Weber? Spell backwards. Herman.
Msg #36012 Dated 19:48:09 03-03-92 35976 <--> 36237
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Felt that way about Flosso's. But then it was in the 70's and the
dust was so much that you couldn't see a thing. My only visit,
I'm sorry to say.
Msg #36014 Dated 20:03:30 03-03-92 -> 36249
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HOW...
Tony, you need a vacation!
'W.
Msg #36015 Dated 20:04:00 03-03-92 -> 36060
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ART METRANO
Just logged on and got your message. Did you get the photo of Metrano
you needed?
'W.
Msg #36017 Dated 20:13:33 03-03-92 35987 <--> 36061
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SCANNER
Really? I thought there were plenty of PCX readers for the Mac. One
of the reasons I favored PCX was because it seemed rather universal.
Msg #36018 Dated 20:19:09 03-03-92 35994 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SPAGHETTI
Yes, I will buy attitude. What's the going rate? Performance value in
exchange for attitude at parity?
Msg #36019 Dated 20:21:54 03-03-92 -> 36034
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: EMERGENCY
WPCDI just wanted to thank all of you for your concern about my
little
one. Rebecca a.k.a. "Houdini" is just fine. So fine, in fact,
that she was innocently playing with her toys the other day and I
left her for one split second to use the facilities. When I came
out not a full minute later, she had picked the lock on the patio
door, climbed the trellis and was sitting on the roof, quite happy
with the view. I had to get the ladder out of the garage to get
the little weasel down. I am serously considering leg irons. I am
dead serious when I say she can get INTO and OUT OF anything in her
path in less than a minute. My bill for Miss Clairol, to cover all
these gray hairs is astronomical. I don't have a stomach. It's
been replaced by an ulcer. I gave birth to the child from hell.
If Moses had known her there'd be an eleventh commandment. She is
one heck of an escape artist. Maybe I could book her at the next
I.B.M. convention. She can get out of handcuffs by BITING them!
Beats me how she does it. "Rebecca, the Baby Escape Artist!"
Wonder if there was ever a mage who wasn't potty trained...
Msg #36023 Dated 21:52:29 03-03-92 35919 <--> 36026
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Michael,
I think the two ideas are similar enough that you couldn't do
them in the same show, but I think your idea would make a great
sight gag.
Preface it with; "I just bought one of those books that says
it'll teach ANYONE how to juggle."
Zoom! The little ping-pong balls go.
Fun. I may try it. I've got so much building to do right at the
moment. I think I've successfully bid on a political job, and so
I'll be working my tail off between now and June.
If I build a "juggler" I'll send you one.
Thanks for the input!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36025 Dated 21:52:53 03-03-92 35936 <--> 36027
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHH!~!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that analogy is not the way to make a point on this
board.
I agree with you. One should always do one's best to make any
performance as good as humanly possible.
I agree with T.A. There are a lot of GREAT effects out in this
big blue world, and one really doesn't have to try to make bad
effects look good.
I was trying to make a point. I was trying to get opinions on
effects. I wasn't trying to demonstrate the relative merits of
using a good effect badly, or a bad effect goodly. (There, see
what you've done to my mind.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36026 Dated 21:53:04 03-03-92 35938 <--> 36028
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Pete,
I just finished watching "Classic Renditions" and although
Michael has a GREAT patter with consistant logic for the effect,
I would feel like a thief using it. Instead I've been making
jokes about how I found out why we have so much inflation.
Because the stuff they're making money out of becomes less and
less substantial....
It is not just the great ones who make a trick their own.
EVERYONE should at least put forth the effort to make a trick
their own.
Sometimes, there is basically only one way to do an effect. But
that doesn't mean you have to copy word for word what some other
magician is saying and doing.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36027 Dated 21:53:14 03-03-92 35943 <--> 36029
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete,
The only excellent faro I've personally seen has been by Richard
Turner. I was just using him as an example.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36028 Dated 21:53:23 03-03-92 35998 <--> 36058
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Cy,
I've never dealt with a magic teacher directly. (I've dealt with
you and others, but not on a "student/teacher" relationship.)
I can only assume that most teachers of magic are much like most
teachers of other subjects. And those I've found, to my utter
distaste, have a tendency to wish to be thought of as "master."
I may be judging magic teachers unfairly from the cluttered up
experiences of my life.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36029 Dated 21:53:32 03-03-92 35999 <--> 36054
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Cy,
Yes, research materials are important, but not so important as
being willing to take the time and effort and really think about
what you want to do with something.
Even with my limited exposure to performing magicians, I've seen
an effect, and thought, now that would be neat if he hadn't
screwed it up with this, or shown that, or done this.
I've seen several magicians give away tricks (at least to me) by
trying desperatly to prove to the audience that it can't be done
X way.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36030 Dated 22:01:11 03-03-92 35833 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BIRTHDAY WISHES
Vicky Jo really liked it. She said to say thank you. Sp "THANK YOU"
Msg #36034 Dated 22:25:59 03-03-92 36019 <--> 36035
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
I used to escape from my diapers!
Msg #36035 Dated 23:01:32 03-03-92 36019 <--> 36043
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Houdini had a dog named Bobby who could get out of a very small pair of
handcuffs Houdini had made for him. So, as you can see Rebecca is not
the first doggie escape artist.
Msg #36036 Dated 23:09:16 03-03-92 35876 <--> 36039
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
That's what I have been finding out.
Msg #36037 Dated 23:09:52 03-03-92 35881 <--> 36038
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
I have some great recipes for Chili. However, if I make a pot I eat all
of it. It's hard to find people to come over for it.
Msg #36038 Dated 23:11:06 03-03-92 35896 <--> 36064
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
Will do.
Msg #36039 Dated 23:12:35 03-03-92 35914 <--> 36076
From: FRANK ZAK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Thanks. I will try to do it when I get back from Reno and Berkley.
Msg #36042 Dated 0:09:42 03-04-92 -> 36146
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
Jerry -
Per your instructions, I burned the last Black Candle tonite. A most
interesting event! The wick remained undestroyed and eventually looped
in on itself! Then BOTH the tip and the base of the loop sprouted
flame and joined! Finally, the whole thing ended in a large flame and
a lava flow of wax. Also, the dripping edge moved away from the
direction of the modems and computers (East-north-east, basically) and
more toward the East, while the "lava flow" was toward the West! Is
there any particular significance to all of this? Should I bring the
amassed drippings to DMS for you to look at?
Msg #36043 Dated 0:13:42 03-04-92 36034 <--> 36044
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
I find that easy to believe!
Msg #36044 Dated 0:14:27 03-04-92 36035 <--> 36065
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
DOGGIE! She's my DAUGHTER!!!! Jeez, Louise I don't NEED a
dog, I got two kids and a neurotic Siamese cat. Rebecca is a little
GIRL! A HUMAN! (I think).
Msg #36045 Dated 0:46:12 03-04-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: OOPS!
My appologies to those who tried to sign on to MAGIC! between midnight
and 12:45 a.m. this morning. An operator error during routine
maintenance forced a shut down.
Msg #36046 Dated 1:14:43 03-04-92 35588 <-
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CATHOLICS
Steve...
Since this was a show for Catholics and it was their last hurrah before
lent you could have performed the Torn and Restored Dogma, Pulled a nun
out of a bishops mitre and performed the needle through the arm and
called it a stigmata. Of course the Misers Dream done with blessed
hosts (those little bread wafers that represent salvation and the body
of Christ during Communion) would have been a real kicker. And there's
the two effects where you turn water into wine and turn loaves into
fishes...
Tony (aka Banno the Excommunicated)
Msg #36047 Dated 1:19:59 03-04-92 35820 <-
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: RADIO MAGIC
Geno...
I once did two hours of magic on the radio. Will see if I still have
the effect scripts handy and will forward them to you.
Msg #36049 Dated 1:39:47 03-04-92 35690 <--> 36050
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Hey Pete hope to see you up here. I won't be checking in here again
till after the show but I will hold two seats in the front section
for you.
It's been a trip working on this production. We are in the old
theatrical catch 22. Hard to book a show that doesnt exist yet and
hard to make it exist without bookings. Thus the Judy Garland/Mickey
Rooney imitation in which we "Rent a theatre and do a show".
Of course we are dealing with insurance weasels, fire marshalls,
advertising salesman, and the ABC. It has been a long trip through
red tape but there is light at the end of the tunnel now.
Just took on another project designing illusions for Pippin. I have
a soft spot im my heart for high school theatre projects. Reminds me
of when I was YOUNG. Geez at 29 I really have one foot in the grave.
Also working with several big and small wineries to tap into the
tourist trade this summer. Gonna perform the wine magic in cellars
with pallets of barrels as the backdrop.
I dont know if my 800 number is working statewide yet so if you
have trouble reaching me try 707 573 0101.
Changed my mind. I will check responses manana. I dont have your new
address. Your still in Gualala-land accordion to my data base. /Hope
to hear from ya. Ciao.
Msg #36050 Dated 1:40:30 03-04-92 35699 <--> 36051
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Hi Stacey,
Great to hear about your travel network. If you have info to mail
I would love to recieve it: Wine Country Wizardry
220 Theresa St.
Santa Rosa, CA. 95407
707 573 0101
If we can make this work I will take possession of the theatre in
May. I need to run the show profitably there a couple of times
before I take the plunge. But I have a dream of operating an all
magic and variety arts theatre. Pessimists tell me that magic won't
work full time but I disagree. The locations good, only 45 minutes
from S.F. and this area is a tourist destination spot. Combined
with quality shows and innovative marketing I think we can make it
fly. I'll even run it at a slight loss if I can make up the income
elsewhere, though that is not my desire.
Hope to hear from you.
Msg #36051 Dated 1:41:06 03-04-92 35728 <--> 36072
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Hi David,
Now I have a goal. Make a show that is worth you making a trip
up here to see.
I have the perfect bill. I know of this kid named Nathan. Boy
his name would look good in lights. He could do that great
zombie act with the dove that Biro digs so much. We could follow
up with the Baby Houdini I heard about.
Then I will shave my head and do Eugene Burgers routines. All of
'em. Just as they are written. Verbatim.
Thanks for the good wishes. I will check in one more time and
then its back to the self imposed exile. I will report what a
great show it was afterwards. Then Pete can tell you the real
story if he makes it over. Adios.
Msg #36052 Dated 1:42:26 03-04-92 35986 <--> 36055
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Keep it low, near the floor so when it falls it doesn't hurt
anyone.
Msg #36054 Dated 1:42:34 03-04-92 35995 <--> 36057
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Is nice. McComb used a traditional card sword.
Msg #36055 Dated 1:42:37 03-04-92 35996 <--> 36080
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
You got it, lookin at em...
Msg #36056 Dated 1:42:40 03-04-92 35997 <--> 36077
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CHILI
I actually use frozen chopped spinach. Break the shells and put
the contents in.
Msg #36057 Dated 1:42:44 03-04-92 36001 <--> 36063
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I am hoping to work with Joe Stevens to publish my set of Ken
Brooke Instruction sheets, as a book. I have over 175 of Ken's
tricks.
Msg #36058 Dated 1:42:49 03-04-92 36006 <--> 36062
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Subtle dude, the Prof.
Msg #36059 Dated 1:42:52 03-04-92 36011 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RINGS
I have the rights to the Namreh routine and am publishing them
in my book.
Msg #36060 Dated 1:42:56 03-04-92 36015 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: ART METRANO
No not got nuttin on Art Metrano... any ideas? Where you been?
Missed ya...
Msg #36061 Dated 1:43:00 03-04-92 36017 <--> 36082
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
Unbelievable, tonite... at the Oakland Magic Circle, Scott Cram,
Scott Alcalay, Biro and the right Honorable Max Maven... suddenly
realized we had a Quorom... held an election, and decided that
you lost and we need to get a new Sysop!
.
I gave one of Maven's miracles away as a bonus to the first person
that bought a trick worth over $20.
.
Re: first para... it wasn't my idea, but after the debate, we
felt it was our only course of action.
.
It has been nice.
Msg #36062 Dated 1:43:13 03-04-92 36026 <--> 36093
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
You have just got all your strikes back, nice goin' dude... glad
you is getting some work!
Msg #36063 Dated 1:43:17 03-04-92 36027 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Probably great, just don't recall seeing him do it.
Msg #36064 Dated 1:43:20 03-04-92 36037 <--> 36776
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: GOINGS ON
I cook a recipe, eat all of it, then look at book and see it
"serves six"... burp....
Msg #36065 Dated 1:43:24 03-04-92 36044 <--> 36083
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Joke: Lady had kid on leash at mall. Only trouble, when they got
home the kid drank out of the toylet.
Msg #36067 Dated 6:30:07 03-04-92 -> 36073
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Has nyone had a chance to preview Copperfield's new special yet? I
know we get to watch him impersonate Peter Pan, but what is the mega,
breath taking, knock you on your butt illusion THIS year? Or is that
it? What anumals will Old Mac Donald produce this time around - we've
had ducks, chickens, pigs and dogs so far. How about the guest host?
Anybody we know?
Msg #36068 Dated 6:43:18 03-04-92 -> 36074
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KIDS N DOGS
Grrr! My baby is NOT a dog! The fastest way to get to a Mom is say
something about her kid. And since I have the world's cutest children
that joke was just plain terrible. Now if you'll excuse me, it's time
for Rebecca's flea dip...
Msg #36069 Dated 6:47:34 03-04-92 -> 36075
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: SIOUX
This might sound strange, but there's a reason for it: Is there any
mage who is a Sioux or knows the Sioux language? I am looking for a
book on the languages of the Sioux nation for an effect I am doing with
my kid's group. I tried the library. Nuthin. Ideally, I'd like to
have a dictionary. We are using Sioux artifacts in the effect, so the
kids wanted to do the entire effect in Sioux, then in English. It
would make a stunning presentation. Since we're in San Diego, we keep
getting Navajo or Hopi. We want SIOUX! We have a child in our group
who is half Sioux. He was abandoned by the roadside. He's really
curious about his heritage and doing this effect in his native language
and he's really starting to come around, magic wise. I'd like to help
him all I can. Let me know.
Msg #36072 Dated 7:28:21 03-04-92 36049 <--> 36079
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
Steve: Biro is at 16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598
(510) 932-7696
.
Lost the message what is the date of the show? Thanks...
Msg #36073 Dated 7:28:27 03-04-92 36067 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I didn't think the show aired until March 31. Uh, I would say that
his impression of Pete Pan is better than anything he has done
before (next to the card on the outside of the choo choo window)
and if it don't knock the butts off people then they like large
instead of miraculous.
Msg #36074 Dated 7:28:33 03-04-92 36068 <--> 36094
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: KIDS N DOGS
Woof!
Msg #36075 Dated 7:28:36 03-04-92 36069 <--> 36084
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SIOUX
Call Dale Von Trebra at 510 437-0341. Tell him I sent you. He ain't
soooo, but he can locate Kiji Wopata -- who can help. Kiji, dale
won't recobonize the name... tell him to find Jim Watters, a large
guy that takes pictures. Watters is a big guy in the Indian area
and am sure will know... He works for the city govt. somewhere in
the LA area, city of industry or commerce I think... dunno... but
a clue is a clue... Dale is not there at that phone nr. every day
so you got to be emphatic that they leave a message for him.
He is in Santa Paula, Calif., if you wanna try information. He
gets up reeeeaaaaaaal early (ex farmer from Kansas) and goes to
bed reeeeeaaaaal early. (has a house full of computers but no
modem user... tsk)....
Msg #36076 Dated 7:54:05 03-04-92 35868 <--> 36095
From: TABBY CRABB
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
That Modem Commandos paper is pretty outdated now that IMP is on
the scene. Sorry you couldn't make heads or tails, but Bizarre can
get you off and on AUTOMATICALLY with his scripts if you are using
PROCOMM.
Msg #36077 Dated 7:54:10 03-04-92 35875 <--> 36081
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHILI
You mean, YOU COOKED something???
Msg #36079 Dated 8:59:15 03-04-92 36051 <--> 36834
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: BLATANT PLUG
It's great about the new show! And I really look forward to your and
Biro's reports. You have all my best thoughts goin' for you.
Don't know why you have to return to self imposed exile though. It's
always good to see you here on-line and, uh, we'll try and leave the
light on for ya'.
Msg #36080 Dated 9:01:34 03-04-92 36052 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE ONLY GOOD LAWYER IS-
Keep the Linking Ring book low? I was thinking of using it as the base
for a home seismograph.
Msg #36081 Dated 9:04:14 03-04-92 36077 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHILI
HA! At least one message got you out of lurk mode! Yeah, I can be
pretty mean with a spatula when I'm of a mind to. Sometimes have even
been pretty good at it.
But Anita has a policy that discourages cooking at home. Most couples
take turns cooking and the other party cleans up. Her approach is that
whoever cooks has to do the clean up. She says its because I create a
mess an order of magnitude larger than the one she would make. But it
does put a damper on either of us cooking. Now that Nathan can read
numbers, he has mastered the microwave - I think he's given up on
either of us ever walking into the kitchen.
Msg #36082 Dated 9:09:32 03-04-92 36061 <--> 36096
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
What a relief!!! Who, uh, "won" the role of Sysop? Someone who wasn't
there, no doubt. OK, will turn over the gavel at DMS/MAGIC! session.
I do hope you know that my Farewell Address is some 80 hours long.
Msg #36083 Dated 9:11:48 03-04-92 36044 <--> 36101
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Stacey -
"neurotic Siamese cat" is redundant.
Msg #36084 Dated 9:16:14 03-04-92 36069 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SIOUX
Check with the Southwest Museum here in Los Angeles. Or the "Five
Civilized Tribes Museum" in Muskogee, Oklahoma. Nope, skip the later,
they only deal with Cherokee, Ckickasaw, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole.
Msg #36089 Dated 14:37:34 03-04-92
From: HEINZ MINTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RINGS
The Newman Rings are not the same as Webers.
Heinz
Msg #36093 Dated 18:46:08 03-04-92 36062 <--> 36097
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Pete,
When it rains it pours. Thanks for the strikes back. I didn't
know that was allowed.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36094 Dated 18:46:16 03-04-92 36068 <--> 36102
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: KIDS N DOGS
You dip your daughter in fleas?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36095 Dated 19:14:05 03-04-92 35868 <--> 36149
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Frank,
If you need any local help, maybe I can lend a hand. I, too, live
in Las Vegas, and spent an evening backstage at Melinda's helping
Geno with his computer. I'm assuming you're using Procomm or
Procomm Plus? I'm home most evenings, so give me a call!
My number is 435-4748.
David (the other one)
Msg #36096 Dated 19:14:14 03-04-92 35905 <--> 36156
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SCANNER
Scott,
I have a color scanner that I use occasionally. You may have
already seen some of my work. Look for VEGAS.GIF in the FILES
section.
I'm about to upload another one for your viewing pleasure. It's
one I display proudly at work as a Windows Background. What
resolution and number of colors are you interested in? I tend to
not upload very many since they can easily overload MAGIC!'s file
capacity, not to mention some fairly long download times.
Are you coming to Vegas anytime soon? Give me a call!
David (the other one)
Msg #36097 Dated 19:14:26 03-04-92 35919 <--> 36133
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Michael,
Glad to see you back online! I always enjoy your input on this
board. Just got a compliment about you from one of our newer
members, Stacey. She had nothing but good things to say about
you.
I just saw your Infomercial for "Ice Breakers" on CNBC. It's only
taken me TWO MONTHS of long nights looking for it! How are the
tape sales going?
I'm glad to hear "Classic Renditions Two" is coming out. Can I
order one from you directly? Just let me know how much and where
to send the money.
Hope to see you again soon!
David (the other one)
Msg #36101 Dated 20:20:11 03-04-92 36083 <--> 36111
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
David,
You have never met with Shumani Tutanka Owani, our Siamese. If you
knew this cat, you wouldn't say it was redundant. "Tanka"
(pronounced TAHN ka) has been stuffed in rabbit wringers, dressed
in doll clothes and vanished many times. She's been loved half to
death and even survived a poison attempt by a nasty neighbor who
hates cats. Through it all, Tanka has been a perfect lady.
However, she has a favorite game she plays. My linen closet is
right next to my bed. Tanka gets up on the top shelf and hurls
herself on the bed when I am just about asleep. The resultant THUD
gives me a heart attack, which is exactly what she is hoping for in
retaliation for the rabbit wringer. And you say "neurotic Siamese"
is redundant. HA!
Msg #36102 Dated 20:20:51 03-04-92 36094 <--> 36176
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: KIDS N DOGS
Yo, Kev!
Will you TELL these people my daughter is NOT a dog? I guess that
would make ME a real bit*h, wouldn't it? Nope. don't dip the kid
in fleas, however flea dip is great with Triscuits!
Serious stuff now. I have several poems I want to turn into songs
and wondered if your interested in collaborating on a few songs and
putting a demo together? I allready have a record company
interested in one of the songs, but it needs a tune. Interested?
Msg #36104 Dated 20:35:54 03-04-92 -> 36135
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: TICKETS
Hey guys, I need to ask a favor. I am working day and night to
bring you guys a good deal with the Magicians Travel Network, and
I love working for all of you. I promised you the best I have and
that is my promise to you. I don't mind you calling for fares or
giving me stuff to work on or tentative itineraries, or even asking
lots of questions. That's fine! But PLEASE don't order tickets and
then not pay for them! What happens when you do that is that I
have to try and hunt you down, which takes time and long distance
calls. In the end, I wind up having to void the ticket, then take
it out of the computer and re pay the commission I took. The
paperwork is time consuming. I just wound up "eating" a ticket for
$118 from Oakland to L.A. because some yuckapuck said he would
"call back with a credit card". Yeah...and I'm guest starring on
Copperfield's special!
I love you guys and I want this to work out so we can ALL benefit.
But I have to show my superiors that this WILL work and stuff like
this just don't get it. Ok?
Msg #36111 Dated 21:22:45 03-04-92 36101 <--> 36112
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
You may wish to go get a complete, unedited, unexpurgated version of
Rudyard Kipling's Just So Stories and read "The Cat That Walked."
Msg #36112 Dated 21:28:25 03-04-92 36111 <--> 36118
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Read it, already. I am a cat lover from the word go. My favorite book
is How to Live with a Calculating Cat. Also The Cat and the
Curmudgeon. I'd have more cats if Brian wasn't allergic
Msg #36113 Dated 21:41:48 03-04-92 -> 36132
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: HIMBER RING
Have a question for everyone. I don't have much money to spend on new
stuff, even though I am a "rich and famous" travel agent. If you
believe that one, I have abridge in Arizona for sale. Anyway, Brad
Burt has this beautiful Himber Ring in his shop, but it's kinda pricey.
I am teaching children and wondering if this Himber Ring would be a
good investment for them. I don't know but two effects, myself. Are
there other applications for it, perhaps some new ones? I just want to
get the best stuff I can for these kids. Comments?
Msg #36118 Dated 22:24:20 03-04-92 36044 <--> 36136
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Is my face red! What made me think you were talking about a doggie?
Sorry about that. I'm glad to hear she's ok. 8-) Hope to meet you
some time, perhaps at the Magic Castle. Do you ever go up for a Sunday
brunch?
Msg #36119 Dated 22:28:40 03-04-92 -> 36177
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: TECHNIQUE
Interesting article in the paper the other day about ventriloquist
Jeff Dunham. As an 11-year-old, he got a chance to meet Edgar Bergen.
Dunham said "He told me to forget technique and be an entertainer
first. His technique was horrible, but he used ventriloquism as a
vehicle for his comedy rather than as the focus for the entertainment."
Food for thought.
Charlie
Msg #36120 Dated 22:29:06 03-04-92 -> 36139
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
Regarding the new Cooperfield big-finish trick, a local magician, Bill
Palmer, has suggested the Washington Monument through the Goodyear
Blimp a la needle through balloon. Bill by the way is the translator
for the Punx series of books.
Charlie
Msg #36121 Dated 22:29:33 03-04-92 -> 36158
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FRIENDS
Cy, your name came up the other night while I was discussing Frank
Thompson with some of the local guys. Two of the guys said to tell you
hi. The first is Bob Murphy, he wasn't sure if you'd remember him.
The other said that you'd better remember - Wayne Raeke. Wayne would
like to call you and chat.
Charlie
Msg #36122 Dated 22:29:58 03-04-92 -> 36159
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: RADIO TAPES
Geno, regarding radio magic, Steve Shaw has put out a 2-tape set on the
subject. It includes both actual radio segments and discussions of
getting onto radio and tricks to do. Most of the stuff is mentalism as
Steve is a mentalist. Oh, I haven't forgot you on the other tape I
promised you. I've located the second one and will get it to you as
soon as I get it.
Charlie
Msg #36125 Dated 22:31:25 03-04-92 -> 36160
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: SAY HI
It was good to see you at the auction last weekend. Sorry I didn't get
to talk to you more than to just say hi, but everytime I saw you there
was a big crowd around. You sure are a popular guy!
Get anything good at the auction?
Charlie
Msg #36132 Dated 23:58:00 03-04-92 36113 <--> 36137
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I don't know which Himber Ring Brad has in his shop, I don't know the
relative quality of the different ones, and I don't know what you
regard as "pricey," but Bruce Kalver has Himber Rings from $37 to $ 50.
He also has a book on Himber Ring Magic. You can contact him at Top
Hat Productions, P. O. Box 10421, Cranston, RI 02910 (and tell him you
read about it on MAGIC!).
Stop by Joe's Dealer Room at DMS and you can see what really top of the
line Himbers look like.
Msg #36133 Dated 0:03:22 03-05-92 36093 <--> 36145
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Each inning gets three.....
Msg #36135 Dated 0:03:34 03-05-92 36104 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: TICKETS
C.O.D. is the only way to Fly... Credit card Number befo you put
the order in... that's the way I always do it...
Msg #36136 Dated 0:03:37 03-05-92 36112 <--> 36178
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
I liked Catsmopolitan and the Cat-alog. My two (ex owner, the
divorcee got 'em) meowers are missed by me more than one can
realize...
Msg #36137 Dated 0:03:42 03-05-92 36113 <--> 36153
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
You can do ALMOST the same effect with a cheap (or medium priced)
ungaffed ring by just cutting a slit in it about at 4:00 O'clock
(if you view it like a clock). Al Koran published an excellent
handling that in his, or any experienced PERFORMER, could do and
to the Public, it was THE SAME effect as done with the Himber Ring.
AFter all the linking rings is done with a slit opening that
does not need to lock (tho you can buy locking key rings).
Msg #36139 Dated 0:04:06 03-05-92 36120 <--> 36143
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
Anybody want the real info on the Goodyear Blimp, let me know.
Msg #36143 Dated 0:18:18 03-05-92 36120 <--> 36155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
Tell Bill Palmer that it sounds like a great idea! There's even room
in the top of the Monument in which to hide the selected card.
Msg #36145 Dated 0:30:35 03-05-92 36003 <--> 36241
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
There is a double backed card just above the face up 10D. Your commen
t of making it look like you are turning over one card may be crucial
but I don't get that from the write-up. If I saw some one do it I
would know immediately what it was supposed to look like.
.
I think we are all agreeing that video AND written material IS the
best of both worlds to learn magic.
Msg #36146 Dated 0:30:39 03-05-92 36042 <--> 36151
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
Just bury the residue away from MAGIC! world headquarters or you can
dispose of it in the ocean. All bad influences have now been absorbed
and you should remove the residue ASAP. DON'T BRING THEM TO DMS !
Msg #36148 Dated 0:30:46 03-05-92 -> 36152
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: SCI VS MAGIC
Ee;36063
I was just reading through the introduction of Asimov's Robot City
series and ran across a passage that could be applicable to our
discussion on magic ethics.
.
He is discussing his three laws of robotics which appeared in 1942,
and have since become a philosophical standard for robotics.
.
"Now it is understaood that science fiction writers generally have
created a pool of ideas that form a common stock into which all
writers can dip. For that reason, I have never objected to other
writers who have used robots that obey the Three Laws.
.
However, I have firmly resisted the actual quotation of the Three
Laws by any other writer. Take the laws for granted, is my attitude
in this matter, but don't recite them. The concepts are everyone's
but THE WORDS ARE MINE." (emphasis added)
.
If you substitute magician for writer and effect for 'Three Laws' it
seems to apply pretty well.
Msg #36149 Dated 0:30:56 03-05-92 36095 <--> 36778
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SONG LYRICS
Hey David, I sent Frank a PCPLUS script help him change the password
and make sure the directory references match between the script &
his directory layout and it should go.
.
See in a couple of weeks - coming in the 18th for DMS. Got some new
stuff to show - Rune Magic !
Msg #36151 Dated 2:07:16 03-05-92 36146 <--> 36180
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
Got it! Will dispose of it into the ocean tonite! As a matter of
fact, since you had me worried, I just went ahead and sent it on its
journey! Should be at the ocean in a couple of hours.
Msg #36152 Dated 2:10:35 03-05-92 36148 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCI VS MAGIC
The Asimov quote seems to sum up a great deal of the recent discussion
here on MAGIC! Thanks.
Msg #36153 Dated 6:16:47 03-05-92 36113 <--> 36154
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I'll make it simple for you: the Himber Ring is an inappropriate prop
for a beginner, all the moreso for a child. So, the issue of price is
moot.
Msg #36154 Dated 7:46:38 03-05-92 36153 <--> 36157
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Max, dear
I'LL put it simply - you missed the entire point of the question.
You assumed incorrectly that because the group consisted of
"children" (and all of them ARE under 16) that they were
"beginners". Most of then have been with me on and off for three
years and we have learned a great deal. Did you think also, as
many do, that because they were either abused kids or had
drug/alcohol problems they were also limited in mentality as well?
These kids are HIGHLY intelligent and talented if one takes the
time to uncover it.
Did you say price was a moot point? Try explaining THAT when you
are receiving city funds for your program! If price was a moot
issue, we'd be ordering from John Gaughan and Bill Smith!
The QUESTION was whether or not there were enough different effects
for the kids to learn to justify the purchase of a Himber Ring to
add to our prop inventory. The fact that they ARE kids is the moot
point here.
As for kids, there is one 12 year old Castle performer (I have
forgotten his name) that is better than a lot of the adults I have
seen. My own daughter has been practicing magic since the age of
3. She is hardly a "beginner". Ask her to show you her floating
teddy bear routine. You might be surprised.
Msg #36155 Dated 8:17:41 03-05-92 36120 <--> 36179
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
Hi, Charlie!
I like the proposed ending to Copperfield's special. Particularly
since the Washington Monument sits directly under the final
approach to National Airport. What an illusion! Copperfield could
disappear a 727 every 60 seconds, while putting the Monument
through the Goodyear Blimp! Wonderful! I love it!
The article on technique was terrific. I, myself, used to wrestle
with a serious and straight performance. My friends hated it.
They said "Stace, you're too FUNNY. Use your humor!" So I
switched to comedy magic, relaxed and am having the time of my
life. My husband is also MY partner (not the other way around).
He plays the part of a serious magician and I am his goofy wife who
is trying to learn his secrets without him knowing about it. It
works great!
Msg #36156 Dated 10:05:35 03-05-92 36096 <--> 36219
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SCANNER
Hey now David (the other one),
I am on a 1 bit grey scale MAC plus. so I am not able to get color as
the final result. the resolution is 512 x 342 (screen size). do you
have any archiving utilities that will compress the picture. the
software I use to view a picture is a .GIF reader for the mac.
SHAREWARE.
As to when I will be in LV, that is a tricky question. I have family
there (Foxy's) and another cousin in the banking business, big time.
I WILL NOT be at DMS as my bookings will not allow it. if you make it
to the Bay Area......giv me a call!
Msg #36157 Dated 10:21:03 03-05-92 36154 <--> 36171
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Dearest Stacey,
I think you have missed the point that Max had made! The Himber ring is
VERY inapproprate for a child under the normal age of 21 or someone who
has not mastered the skills of communication beyond a visual point.
Ther are MANY FINE EFFECTS that you could teach a kid that will boost
the self esteem and confidence. how ever, since your budget does not
include a wasted amount of money for useless props for a child, I
suggest that you buy, borrow, or steal a copy of the Mark Wilson
Course in MAgic. That will give those ragamuffins the nessarry
psycology of the whyfors of magic and when the start to grow facial
hair and look like eugene burger, then and only then, should they EVEN
BE handeled with "kid gloves" to be tipped on a secret that when in the
hands of a child or inexperienced would blow it for the entire magic
community. IS NOTHING SACRED?
Yours very truly,
Scott Alcalay (ethics commando)
PS---> there is nothing wrong with teaching magic to anybody. Just be
a little careful on your choice of miracles. What you may teach at one
of your classes, someone else my be using it as a tool to make a
living. And then, put it in the hands of the child or childlike adult
who cant keep a secret?!?!?!?!?? Why not expose the whole copperfield
show? how bout, thake on a one woman action to bust Penn and Teller?
Bstter yet, go to the castle when a big namer favorite of yours is
there and stand up on a chair yelling the secrets?????
Remember, as a magician you do make a personal vow that you will
protect the craft. Remember the rules: A good magician never reveals
the secret! and practice, practice practice!!! <--------
as Darryl once stated, "LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO WATCH BAD MAGIC!!!!"
Msg #36158 Dated 11:20:11 03-05-92 36121 <--> 36239
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: FRIENDS
You're right about NOT selling the books. I thought about it anyway
but since I'm due to get a BIG check in about 60 days (sale of
Hotel DeCarlo) I'm just going to hold on anyway I can. I just not
used to being totally cashless but maybe it's about time I learned
some respect for a dollar. I have learned a lot in regards to just
who my friends are which just might be worth MORE than money in the
long run. Tell Richard that I'm forwarding down to him a letter
from a magus in Budapest that was looking to get in touch with
him (Hatch).!!
Yowsuhh!
Msg #36159 Dated 11:20:21 03-05-92 36122 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: RADIO TAPES
Dunninger is of course the most famous of the radio conjurors. David
Hoy had a radio program out of Paducah, KY on which he reportedly
"burned" Zaney Blaney. Do you know the story???
Msg #36160 Dated 11:20:25 03-05-92 36125 <--> 36243
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: SAY HI
Man, I wanted to drive down to the auction. I'm really bummed that
you were there and not me. I took a bried gig (I just resigned after
the first day of rehersals) and was HERE over the weekend. I thought
the guy said Jean Shepherd on the phone, but it was platinum
bombshell, Jean Burdette, who sings like Minnie Mouse on acid. I
gave it a shot but don't see how this person will work enough
to pay me the salary they were blowing in my face. Oh well. I
guess I shoulda taken the rehersal money and then split like the
rest of the guys will probably do, but I figured I didn't need the
KARMA!!!! I need bound Phoenix 151-200 and 251-300. You got?? If,
please save fo me til I get flush again??? Thanks for writing up
The Music City Conclave for the Houston News and Genii!!!
Msg #36163 Dated 12:19:52 03-05-92 -> 36164
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: MICHAELANGELO
has anyone heard about the dreaded virus being transmitted through bbs
services like this???and no one has mentioned that Macintosh is in any
danger. Pls let me knw if you have any info as it relates to mac and
mike.
Msg #36164 Dated 12:37:14 03-05-92 36163 <--> 36165
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
My understanding is that the virus' effects are limited to IBM and
compatibles. Our beloved sysop, of course, will be the final
authority.
Msg #36165 Dated 13:26:18 03-05-92 36163 <--> 36166
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Have no fear, t dont relate to the mac! If you call bmug there is a new
virouse scanner out. Lost your address, leave me it and I will get
around to mailing it to you.
Msg #36166 Dated 13:27:40 03-05-92 36163 <--> 36168
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
A few people have been worried about this so let me see if I can
explain a few things about computer viruses, at least as I see 'em.
You _CANNOT_ get any sort of virus just by accessing a system like
MAGIC! and by reading and sending messages. In order for a virus to
infect your system, it must be in some kind of PROGRAM, _NOT_ in
messages, text files, or pictures. A virus can get into your system
from _ANY_ program source - programs from a system like MAGIC!,
CompuServe, Prodigy, or a BBS _CAN_ be virus infected, so can programs
from stores and any commercial source. Viruses _CAN_ be planted in
commercial software by disgruntled employees, etc. Probably the most
common transmission source for a virus is a bootlegged copy of a
legitimate program - you get a diskette from someone who got it from
someone, etc. If a well-written virus gets into your system, you are
in deep kaka - it will infect your hard drive, backups made after the
virus got there, etc. Fortunately, most viruses are actually badly
written and can be found by using virus checking programs, etc.
Since a virus can come from any source, including commercial products,
your best protection is to check everything. Get a virus checker, like
the one from Central Point Software - Anti-Virus - and USE IT. Also,
make sure you register your copy and that you keep up with the updates;
only a current virus checker can check for current viruses. (By the
way, if I was going to write a virus, I would write it into a public
domain virus checker or stick it on a bootleg copy of a commercial
one!)
Another tip - at least for the IBM world. _Most_ viruses work by
modifying the operating system - they "infect" DOS by rewriting it. If
a sophisticated virus does this, it is hard to detect at a casual
level. But most aren't that well-written. One trick is to print out
a directory of your DOS files - particularly COMMAND.COM, FORMAT.COM,
and, if you know how to read them, the hidden DOS files. Periodically
comparing the printout with the on-line version may tell you if either
the date or size of the DOS files has been tampered with. If it has,
then you may have a problem.
Here on MAGIC! we do take certain precautions to minimize the risk of
virus transmission and I would say that the chances of getting a virus
from here are pretty low. BUT we assume NO liability, expressed or
implied, in this regard. The responsibility for keeping your computer
virus free, regardless of the source of your programs and related
material, rests entirely with you.
Msg #36168 Dated 16:55:21 03-05-92 36166 <--> 36170
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Sure hope I don't get a virus in my hard drive.
You're right, they say one should take certain precautions.
Msg #36170 Dated 18:00:34 03-05-92 36168 <--> 36174
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Yep - the best form of safe computing is no computing. But if you are
gonna compute, then you gotta take precautions.
Msg #36171 Dated 17:55:40 03-05-92 36154 <--> 36172
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Okay, I will respond to your points, one by one:
1. In my opinion, three years of study is not enough to warrant
considering someone past "beginner" status.
2. I made no assumptions about the intelligence of your students.
3. The reason I said that price was moot was specific to your inquiry.
If, as I contend, the Himber Ring is not worth considering for purchase
in this situation, then it doesn't matter if it is cheap or expensive.
4. As you state, "the question was whether or not there were enough
different effects for the kids to learn to justify the purchase." There
are no effects for a kid to learn with a Himber Ring.
5. The fact that there is a twelve-year-old you've seen at the Castle
who is better than a lot of the adults you've seen is only a sad
commentary on the quality of the adults you've seen; it has nothing to
do with this discussion.
6. Your daughter's floating teddy bear may be superb, but she's not old
enough to perform a Himber Ring routine. She's also not old enough to
drive a car.
Msg #36172 Dated 18:11:24 03-05-92 36154 <--> 36184
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I think you also missed Maven's point. It (the Himber Ring) IS
NOT APPROPRIATE.... FOR "BEGINNERS" and, FRANKLY, anyone with, say
under 5-10 SOLID years of performing is a beginner... in that
context. It is very simple in that it is a mechanical prop that
can open and close and link to another ring or rings, and or
go on and off a rope. But the ability to convincingly perform it
with any degree of quality would take a seasoned veteran of
audience managment. I have been doing magic since 1940-something,
and I haven't had the confidence to use the effect, altho, if I
were to start practicing heavily for a month or two, I might think
about breaking it in ONLY IF THE CONDITIONS WERE RIGHT... A CABARET
SITUATION, for example...
You would be much better off going with something like the Jardin
Ellis Ring, Jay's Jinking Rings (from Magic Inc.) which has some
solid basic on and off rope, thumbs, etc. effects.
.,
Or even a beginning set of Linking Rings. Rather than go for any
thing that is expensive, and difficult to PRESENT (it is a very
difficult routine to excecute even tho the ring iteself is
mechanical...) as a matter of fact MANY TIMES the mechanical stuff
is harder to present than sleight of hand work, in that the
deception is felt to be strong owing to the mechanics, but that is
only obvious to those that do it... those that watch can often
see right through the effect to the secret... this is a complex
matter, I have been driving for hours in the rain, an have had
less than 6 hours sleep since Tuesday, so will beg off for now.
Msg #36174 Dated 18:12:04 03-05-92 36163 <--> 36175
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
THE EXPERTS at MicroTimes Magazine (share office space with me)
gave me a KILLER ANTI VIRUS PROGRAM for the IBM PC. They said that]
it is not a problem for the MAC users... only PC...
.
One quick fix for PC is to fake it out by changing the DATE via
DOS COMMAND to about a week ago, then wait a few days and change
it to the proper day, just not setting the date to the 6th or 7th.
I heard of one guy close to our magazine that lost a 300 Meg Hard
Drive. And in Washington DC, the Virus knocked out a lot of
PCs that all ahd their clock set wrong... a day ahead....
.
What a crap deal. Why couldn't the guy do something more practical
like destroy all the thumb tips instead of computer drives?
Msg #36175 Dated 18:12:18 03-05-92 36168 <--> 36183
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I am about to run the Anti Virus system check. Next time you hear
from me you will know. If you DON'T hear from me by bedtime... I
am lost forever in a Star Trek scenario, for sure.
Msg #36176 Dated 18:54:10 03-05-92 36102 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: KIDS N DOGS
Stacey,
I can most assuredly detail to the folks on MAGIC! that neither
of your daughters is a dog. I'm not too sure about the cat
though.
Sure, I'd be happy to write some tunes for your words. I even
have a mini-recording studio here at the house that I can put a
demo together for you.
You can send me the poems through MAGIC! or call and upload them
to me directly, or even the U.S. mail. Whatever you want to do
just tickles me plumb to death
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36177 Dated 18:54:20 03-05-92 36119 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TECHNIQUE
Of course the best idea is to master technique AND use it as a
medium. They are not mutually exclusive.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36178 Dated 18:54:28 03-05-92 36136 <--> 36182
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Pete,
When I got married I had to give up my cats. My wife is alergic
to them.
I didn't like cats until I got one. He was the most laid-back
animal I've ever met.
He got in a fight with a dog, and wound up losing a leg. I used
to tell people that my apartment was so small I couldn't have a
WHOLE cat.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36179 Dated 18:54:36 03-05-92 36139 <--> 36224
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
Pete,
I want the real info on the Goodyear blimp.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36180 Dated 18:54:44 03-05-92 36151 <--> 36186
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
David,
If you did what I think you did, I don't want to be around your
plumbing for a while.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36182 Dated 19:28:29 03-05-92 36178 <--> 36202
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Remember the old stand-by joke about the dog called Lucky, reminds me
of your cat.
Msg #36183 Dated 19:30:04 03-05-92 36175 <--> 36185
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
If you do get lost in a Star Trek scenario, do what they do, Beam-up.
Msg #36184 Dated 19:32:09 03-05-92 36172 <--> 36215
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Pete: Since 1940. Gad! How old ARE you?
Too old to be lugging the 600mm around a race track. The office
newspaper job is better suited for the ole back and legs.
Msg #36185 Dated 19:53:39 03-05-92 36174 <--> 36203
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I don't think you clock setting trick will do anything but mess you up.
Any smart virus would look for "equal to or greater than."
Msg #36186 Dated 19:55:39 03-05-92 36180 <--> 36204
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
Yep, I did. So far so good. I have already flushed it again - using
up my once per day allowed by L. A. water rationing and all seems OK.
Msg #36188 Dated 20:42:37 03-05-92 -> 36205
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
My personal opinion is that NO ONE should do the Himber
ring effect. If a magician does the Chinese linking
rings well, it looks like real magic; by contrast,
I've never seen the Himber finger ring trick done in a
manner that it doesn't look like a puzzle. In
virtually all cases, intelligent audience members guess
the method exactly; the only thing they aren't privy
to is the exact nature of the mechanism. I've
witnessed this, at the Magic Castle and elsewhere, done
by otherwise competent and famous magicians, only to
have my date turn to me afterward, or to hear others in
my vicinity, describe correctly exactly what went on.
(Eugene Burger has a nice essay on this situation. The
magician sometimes THINKS he has pulled off a miracle,
but he doesn't hear what is said after.) Some have
argued in favor of using a stooge, but I'm convinced
this only leads intelligent spectators to realize the
magician is using a stooge. If one HAD to do the
effect, a comedic approach might have the best chance
of injecting some entertainment into it. But you don't
have to. Brad has lots of other great things to sell.
There is a tendency, especially among those new in
magic, to be fascinated by clever gimmicks (gimmicked
coins, for instance, are particularly intriguing).
Of course, this is one of those areas in which I would
be delighted have my mind changed by some terrific new
presentation. Something as wonderful, say, as the
Karrell Fox cigarette through quarter that Pete Biro
described some time ago. With ANY magic prop, though,
try to work out the presentation you intend to use
BEFORE you purchase it, especially if it's pricey. Try
to appreciate exactly how it will look to a lay
audience.
Msg #36190 Dated 21:24:47 03-05-92 -> 36211
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER
Thank you, Max, your points were well taken. I am sorry I went off
like that. Just that I feel so strongly for my kids and what we
are trying to do. I want to instill in them a sense of the ART of
magic, not just learning tricks. I HAVE seen fine performers such
as Blackstone, Copperfield (the BEST), Doug Henning, Sigfried and
Roy, Michael Ammar and Eugene Burger. I have also sat through some
pretty terrible performances. I do wonder, however, at what point
one goes from "beginner" to "experienced". I have attened Ring
meetings where some members seemed to have warmed the chairs for
about 20 years, but with age came little experience. I have seen
others who have, perhaps, five years, who are truly dedicated and
good performers.
As far as my daughter driving a car at age 7, I don't see how she
could be much worse than some of the people currently propelling
vehicles down the San Diego freeway! However, she has no interest
in driving a car at the moment. At least not while she is learning
to pilot a plane. She's the best co-pilot I've ever had.
Msg #36196 Dated 22:16:38 03-05-92 -> 36221
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY CAT
Nine reasons why I like my cat:
1. My cat doesn't mind if I am female OR a beginner.
2. My cat doesn't borrow my props.
3. I can blow an effect and she doesn't care.
4. I don't have to impress my cat. She likes me the way I am.
5. My cat doesn't laugh at me or make fun of me.
6. My cat is never cruel or unkind.
7. My cat understands when I have had a bad day. She's still
happy to see me.
8. I can cry on my cat and she doesn't mind wet fur.
9. She's always there for me.
Msg #36202 Dated 22:49:05 03-05-92 36182 <--> 36223
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Marvin,
I haven't thought of that joke in years. It still made me laugh
just sitting here.
I just had some Desert with Burt Carpenter and your name came up.
I was just wondering if your ears were burning.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36203 Dated 22:49:13 03-05-92 36185 <--> 36209
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
David,
I think that Pete knows what he is talking about here. All of
the "experts" I've heard being interviewed said much the same
thing. You're right, if someone wants to wipe out your drive,
they will put a >= command, but if they want to have it go off on
March 6....
I'm told that if you do that, and don't get caught by it this
year, be careful. It will turn around and bite you next year.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36204 Dated 22:49:23 03-05-92 36186 <--> 36210
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
David,
I hope it stays that way. There has just *got* to be a way to
work "wax poetic" into this sentence, but I can't think of one.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36205 Dated 22:49:31 03-05-92 36188 <--> 36220
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Steve,
Although I agree with most of your points, I should tell you that
I took my uncle to the Castle a couple of weekends ago. My uncle
is no genius, but he above average intelligence. He said he
wanted to go to the Castle, because his Mason's lodge had hired
a magician who played the Castle. He said; "he did this one
effect where he borrowed these rings, and linked them. Do you
know how that was done?" I was impressed that this trick so
impressed my uncle.
I think I will never be able to predict what will seem a miracle
to audiences.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36209 Dated 23:02:47 03-05-92 36203 <--> 36218
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Well, I haven't been listening to all of the telebabble about it, so I
may have missed something. If they wanted it to all happen on one day,
then they could have built it with a specific date.
Do you remember New Year's Eve 1988, when virtually ALL of
the airline computers went down? It seems that they had bought the
same program and the yo-yo who programmed it had installed some type of
date checker which compared the date with a 365-day year. Said yo-yo
had forgotten that there was such a thing as Leap Year!
So, at 12:00:01 on December 31st, the thing did its little check, came
up with 366 and went "Oooops" and died.
Msg #36210 Dated 23:08:32 03-05-92 36204 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LAST CANDLE
Why bother to "wax poetic"? You could have just said, "Don't waxt
water."
Msg #36211 Dated 23:25:45 03-05-92 36190 <--> 36212
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER
I appreciate your feelings toward the kids you teach. It seems to me
that one way to "instill in them a sense of the art of magic" is to
steer them toward the realization that magic is something which
requires time, effort and devotion. Many dealer ads, books and so on
push the notion that there are short-cuts, but there aren't, so you
will be doing your students a great service by helping them to
understand that. The knowledge that there are some items (such as the
Himber Ring) which ought not be attempted by a novice can be a valuable
piece of information. Rather than taking that news as an insult,
perhaps your group can take it as inspiration -- i.e., that there are
things to strive for further on down the line.
Msg #36212 Dated 23:47:15 03-05-92 36211 <--> 36213
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER
Beautifully said, Max.
Msg #36213 Dated 23:42:33 03-05-92 36211 <--> 36229
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER
Thank you so much, Max, and I am so sorry I got snappish. My daughter
is seriously ill and it's weighing heavily on my mind right now. My
other "kids", all 37 of them, decided on two new videos. The Himber
shall remain as something we can work up to. I am using every effort
to find quality things for them and to teach not just magic, but
combine it with theater, drama, speaking and delivery as well.
Sometimes we watch other great performers and then we say what we liked
or didn't like about the performance. I am teaching them that magic is
an art and as such ir requires patience, dedication and a sense of
self-awareness. They respect that. And these are kids who don't have
much respect left in them. But they respect magic and they like the
attention - good attention this time, that it brings. I have also
found the comraderie among them has increased. Instead of fighting
with each other, they help each other learn. It seems to diminish the
differences between them. Some of them tell me also "It takes away the
pain." The concentration required to perform the effects does tend to
lessen some of their worries and fears, and indeed they have a lot to
worry about. I am happy to have you as one of my "inspirations".
Msg #36215 Dated 23:56:00 03-05-92 36154 <--> 36240
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Stacey -- I am afraid I will have to side with Max on this; the Linking
Finger Ring routine is a very tough one to bring off for any performer;
it is such an impossibility that it takes a very strong, almost
dominating presentation to be effective. Think of Pendragon's routine,
for example. With all due regard to the appeals of youth, this is not
the sort of effect that a young person would be likely to present
effectively. It is much the same problem as with mentalism; yes, there
CAN be young mentalists -- but effective ones are the exception.
Msg #36218 Dated 0:20:39 03-06-92 36209 <--> 36225
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Yeah, this Michaelangelo thang is programmed to only trigger on
Michaelangelo's birthday, regardless of the year. Go figure.
Msg #36219 Dated 0:21:59 03-06-92 35947 <--> 36259
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SCANNER
Yes, Scott. I believe that I can save in .GIF format. Let me know if
you want anything scanned.
Msg #36220 Dated 0:22:11 03-06-92 36188 <--> 36228
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
How do you think the obviousness of the method of the linking finger
rings differs with the obviousness of the cig thru quarter? I'm
tempted to see them as at least roughly equivalent. On some level the
audience "knows" one of the finger rings has some kind of opening. And
on some level they also know there's got to be a hole in that quarter!
Msg #36221 Dated 0:25:22 03-06-92 36196 <--> 36231
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MY CAT
Stacey:
Guess what my cat's name is.
Msg #36223 Dated 0:39:23 03-06-92 36178 <--> 36260
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Funny line... Whole Cat, rhymes with Pole Cat... argh... We had
a cat that thought it was a dog. Used to come when you called it.
Msg #36224 Dated 0:39:27 03-06-92 36179 <--> 36235
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
It costs $1 Million a year to run each of three. Doc Pingree, a
friend of mine and Lichtman "used to be the Blimp Pimp" ie: he
could get you a ride. But no more. Tsk.... changed jobs within
Goodyear.
Msg #36225 Dated 0:39:33 03-06-92 36183 <--> 36227
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Beam up my LUNCH!
Msg #36227 Dated 0:39:42 03-06-92 36185 <--> 36233
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I scanned with the Virus program, the laptop and it went thru
all the stuff ok. But the PC scans the memory part of the computer
and freezes up. Does not do the files? Fooo
.
Am too tired to continue but figure all is ok. I don't think thre
is anything rong. I fthere is I will smash the computer to bits
and start a new business or sumpin.
Msg #36228 Dated 0:39:51 03-06-92 36188 <--> 36246
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I have seen both Kreskin and Al Koran DESTROY an audience with
the Linking Finger ring. Frankly, and I don't want to shoot you
down, but I believe it is a great effect, but, and you hit it,
there are very few (including some well known dudes) that cannot
sell it properly. Example: When Kreskin did it for a college
audience his presentation was ALL OF IT... he used no subtle
moves, kept the rings in his FIST and sold it sold it sold it....
.
AND GOT A STANDING OVATION.
.
But there are maybe a few on the planet that could sell it thusly.
Possibly Geller.
.
This is as much as I love it, I have NOT YET put it into my
repertoire...as doing light touch stuff, I don't think I have
given the SELL aspect ENOUGH THOUGHT.... BUT LOOK OUT IF I DO!!!!
Msg #36229 Dated 0:40:07 03-06-92 36190 <--> 36248
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER
Your list is not the same I would compile as "great performers"
sorry....
Msg #36231 Dated 0:40:15 03-06-92 36196 <--> 36236
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MY CAT
yEP... MY DOGS AND CATS (don't got 'em no more) liked me when I
was fat and tired and don't know if I am good looking or ugly...
just like the dude that feeds and cares for them.
Msg #36233 Dated 0:48:07 03-06-92 36227 <--> 36254
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Don't know which virus program you were using, so I don't know how it
should have reacted. But all this discussion here got me goin', so I
ran a few extra scans on my personal workstation. All was cool, at
least as far as the virus checker was concerned.
Msg #36235 Dated 0:56:15 03-06-92 36224 <--> 36308
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
ARGH! (tm - Biro) - Doc changed jobs??? PHOOEY! Ain't he got no pull
with the blimp no more?
Msg #36236 Dated 4:11:34 03-06-92 36196 <-
From: DOUG SMITH
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MY CAT
I am glad you enjoy a cat. I always felt that they held the upper
hand. My wife and I have discussed that if any cats adopt us that we
will name it after magicians we respect or even after magic effects.
Our last cats were named strabismus and chi square as Janet was studing
for her masters.
Msg #36237 Dated 5:34:23 03-06-92 35964 <--> 36593
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yes, Bill, Franks wa almost impossible to describe. I have
an audio tape of a session with Jeff Altman and me. Gives some
idea of the sound. Wish someone had VCR.
Msg #36239 Dated 5:34:37 03-06-92 36121 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: FRIENDS
Sorry, but I forget Bob Murphy. If I saw him I might remember.
Over a lot of years there are so many people you meet. I've even
forgotten the names of some pupils.
.
Wayne Raeke is another matter. Can one ever forget Wayne. He knew
Frank Thompson fairly well. You might ask him if Frank had enough
material with the Master Deck to perform 80 hours. Frank and I
once attended a Hyp performance of Waynes'. He did a great show.
How is Waynes' health? He wasn't well off when he left town. Say
hello for me.
Msg #36240 Dated 5:34:52 03-06-92 36132 <--> 36242
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Thanks for the information on the Himber Ring. Sounds like a good
deal.
Msg #36241 Dated 5:34:58 03-06-92 36145 <--> 36359
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
If you missed the fact that it should look like turning one card,
you have to read closely. Also remember Vernon's advice. You
should have a clear and certain idea of the effect. Effect = that
seen by the viewer.
Msg #36242 Dated 5:35:07 03-06-92 36153 <--> 36244
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Agree completely Max.
Msg #36243 Dated 5:35:13 03-06-92 36160 <--> 36265
From: CY KELLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAY HI
Glad to hear you're keeping the library. God to hear the check is
coming in. Hope to order a table later this month. What is the
price on your wands?
.
Rose Murphy used to sound like Minnie Mouse and she did OK for a
few years.
Msg #36244 Dated 5:35:23 03-06-92 36172 <--> 36245
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I feel the same way about the Himber. Have used it, but feel I
need about 100 PERFORMANCES to have confidence.
Msg #36245 Dated 5:35:30 03-06-92 36171 <--> 36252
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Agree with your thoughts. One should always take your points into
account when choosing efects.
Msg #36246 Dated 5:35:37 03-06-92 36188 <--> 36253
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I think you have it backwards. The Linking Rings look like
comething you buy in a magic shop, the Himber - with borrowed
finger rings - looks as if you have strange powers.
.
The audience may know there is a trick Cig thru Quarter, but in
explaining this to someone, they will get the answer "but he did
it with MY QUARTER". The borrowed props mean everything in the
quarter effect and the Himber.
Msg #36248 Dated 5:35:59 03-06-92 36211 <--> 36305
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER
Your short lesson in magic is appreciated. I hope everyone reads
it more than once. I have a student who wanted to work up a
routine for a contest. After a few sessions I convinced him that
his time would be better spent in learning the basics.
Msg #36249 Dated 5:36:07 03-06-92
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOW...
TA - Right! Dominance of the audience is the key to this and to
mentalism. Have used the Slydini Linking Pins and, with control,
have never been asked to let them examine the pins.
Msg #36250 Dated 5:56:15 03-06-92 -> 36256
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOOK
Will set it a side for you. Lots of rain, that's an understatement!
I've never seen so much. The last 4 months have been horrible. And
this most recent rain turned some of the freeways into rivers,
literally. It was a site to see.
Charlie
Msg #36251 Dated 5:57:54 03-06-92
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WAYNE
Wayne is doing real well, considering. He's as talkative as ever.
Also says that you are one of the best cardmen he'd ever seen. Bob
Murphy backed him up on that. Wayne is hoping to get to talk with you
. All this came up because I was asking Wayne about Frank Thompson
because of things you'd been reporting the last couple of days. Wayne
had at one time shown me the "real" work on the Thompson pass, as Frank
had taught it to him. So I was asking Wayne about the Master Deck when
your name came up. Small world.
Charlie
Msg #36252 Dated 8:19:13 03-06-92 36215 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Just like, as Clarke "The Senator" Crandall used to say, "A young
whippersnapper can't do dirty jokes on stage"... But a "dirty
old man...."
Msg #36253 Dated 8:19:18 03-06-92 36220 <--> 36271
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Why think the audience "knows" one of the rings has an opening?
.
Jade used to work in a magic shop. There was a street performer
(in the wharf area of San Francisco) that did the linking rings.
After his shows, almost always, customers would come in and say
"Do you do the ring trick?" She would demo it and they would say
"Wow!!! Unbelievable... we just saw a guy on the street do it and
he used a ring with a slit, but we didn't see any slit in your
rings... we are fooled by what you do..." She would say, "Well
these are the professinal kind" and WOULD MAKE THE SALE!
Msg #36254 Dated 8:19:29 03-06-92 36233 <--> 36272
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I HAD DIFFICULTY RUNNING THE VIRUS CHECKER GIVEN ME BY MY CO WORKERS
BUT "CHECKIT" WORKED FINE, except, looking inside CHECKIT there
was no Michelangelo listed in it list of virusses sesessess....?
.
and the one from the co workers checked my 640 K of mem and froze.
Msg #36256 Dated 8:19:42 03-06-92 36250 <--> 36350
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOK
Move the books upstairs!
Msg #36257 Dated 9:35:15 03-06-92 -> 36274
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VIRUS
Now that we got around Michaelangelo, all we have to do is to worry
about the van Gogh virus.
You turn on your computer and your ear falls off.
Msg #36259 Dated 9:41:01 03-06-92 36219 <--> 36333
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: SCANNER
You got any old handbills or old catalogs no longer in print?
Msg #36260 Dated 10:12:35 03-06-92 36202 <--> 36307
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Besides Lucky the dog, there's the one about Lucky Pierre, but wouldn't
put it on MAGIC.
Bert sent me a great picture taken at the Castle. Great , except for
me, had my eyes closed.
Msg #36261 Dated 10:13:05 03-06-92 -> 36275
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: ONCE AGAIN
Hi Y'all,
Thanks to all for the kind words about my new project. Pete says he
lost the message so I will post the advert again. If you are in the Bay
Area on March 28 I hope you will come up to Petaluma and see me.
Wine Country Wizardry Magical Theatre...
... comes to the Palace Theatre in Petaluma on March 28.
We are reserving a special V.I.P. section for special friends
like you. These seats are available at all three performances
but you should order tickets now. Group rates apply. Please
specify "V.I.P." when you order.
Wine Country Wizardry Magical Theatre is an innovative blend
of magic, music, comedy and live theatre. Magician Steve
Kucera has created a unique theatrical experience designed to
excite the senses. Music composed by Doug Faxon of D.F.X.
Studios, special guest appearances and dazzling magic make
this show unforgettable.
2:00 Matinee $6.00
6:00 & 8:00 $7.50
Purchase five or more advance tickets for evening shows and
pay only $6.50 each.
Call 573-0101 to order tickets.
Expect a sell out! Order your tickets today.
A WINE COUNTRY WIZARDRY PRODUCTION.
P.S. That is in the 707 area code
]
Msg #36265 Dated 12:09:56 03-06-92 36243 <--> 36278
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SAY HI
Scrambling for the next two months but relief is in sight, and in
mind. I know Charlie is an honest guy so he would be choice if I
did sell (told Glo to call Charlie when I croak so she can get
shelf space for her shooting medals). Basic hand turned wand with
brass tips, rubbed with oil is 35 bux. So far been making em out of
cherry wood or walnut. Will turn some of rosewood when I get the
new machine but it is on hold til after IBM in SLC. Just starting
to get the shop really going again and have been feeling much like
my old magic self for the past week or so.
Msg #36267 Dated 13:10:39 03-06-92 -> 36297
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
MAGIC!-NL Wed 04 Mar 92 01:16
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Personally I feel that with books there is no other way than that
you take an essential step, by imagining yourself doing the effect
you are FORCED to adapt it to your own being, your own mannerisms,
your owwn timing, wwithout your mind being bothered by an exact
example.
Some complain that it is hard to learn from books. Hell to them.
Yes it is hard to use your imagination, but that is what it
takes, if you can not use your imagination to visualize the
effect being done by yourself from a book, that one simply does
not qualify to be a magician, and one should do stamp collecting
instead.
Good teachers give what a student needs, not necessarily what the
student thinks he needs. If that means, witholding information to
force the student to take essential steps himself, than a good
teacher will do just that.
With video, one can take the essentail step and adapt to yourself
the material, but one could also skip the essential part. With
books however....there is no other way than to use your brain I
prefer
that, because the route is much more efficient.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
(31)-23388725 (1:0/0) ---
Msg #36268 Dated 13:10:51 03-06-92 -> 36298
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DIVERS
MAGIC!-NL Wed 04 Mar 92 01:22
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Talked to Richard, he should send you a photo of him doing the
rings. Lynn is now moving into her new appartement. It is still a
lot of work and I help as much as I can, but she has to cope with
a lot of redape here and there, and also, some of the things we
dutch do
different, and that takes some getting used to for her. It is
rather tiring for her, and I can imagine. We will be happy when
everything is settled and arranged. Might take some time though.
I enjoy your comments about crooked dealers and the like, it is
exactly my point of view. Why can people not have some respect
for those who create and develop, may be they never develop
something themselves and have no idea what it take
Hope you do well.
See you!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
(31)-23388725 (1:0/0) ---
Msg #36269 Dated 13:11:00 03-06-92 -> 36279
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: DADDY SPEAKS.....
MAGIC!-NL Fri 06 Mar 92 22:05
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Length: 52 cm
Weight: 3370 gram
Age: 0
Birthday: 06 March 1992
Name: Charlotte
Daddy: me!!!!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
---
Msg #36271 Dated 13:32:12 03-06-92 36253 <--> 36287
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I'm actually not convinced they do know that ring has an opening -- or
that the quarter has a hole, or that the linking rings have a slit. I
was responding to Steve's message re the Himber effect.
I guess what I was trying to get at was a basic truth -- yes, on some
level the audience knows it's not magic. At least most of them do.
But with a combination of suspension of disbelief and clever effect,
you can get them to not "know." But there's an intangible graph, with
presentation on one axis and effect on the other. There are some
effects that would be difficult to pull off no matter what the
presentation -- their method just being too obvious. Steve seems to
feel the Himber ring effect falls at this point. Dunno.
Msg #36272 Dated 14:13:26 03-06-92 36254 <--> 36300
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Don't know what to tell you about the virus checker, Pete. I don't
know which one it is and I don't know its behavior. I guess that if
Checkit doesn't list the Michelangelo, then you have no proof that it
will test for it. If the Michelangelo's "signature" is like some other
one that is on the list, then it might find it. In other words, it
could be this year's version of "flu" in that it is a lot like flu but
has a slightly different germ or something. Haven't heard much today
so I don't know if Michelangelo has bloomed or not.
Msg #36274 Dated 14:17:26 03-06-92 36257 <--> 36282
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VIRUS
Yeah, the dreaded Van Gogh virus! Reminds me a lot of the guy with the
gold screw in his belly button.
Msg #36275 Dated 14:21:26 03-06-92 36261 <--> 36295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: ONCE AGAIN
Sure wish I could come up and join you on the 28th, Steve. I would
love to see your new show. But am busy that week.
I do hope that several from MAGIC! will attend and I look forward to
the on-line reviews!
Msg #36278 Dated 14:27:42 03-06-92 36265 <--> 36357
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAY HI
Glad to hear you is gettin' back to movin' and shakin'. Any chance
that the fix to Nathan's wand might be done by DMS?
Msg #36279 Dated 14:30:20 03-06-92 36269 <--> 36299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DADDY SPEAKS.....
WOW! Arnaud! CONGRATULATIONS!!! To you, your wife and to Charlotte!!!
Of course, in the United States she would be a completely different
child, she would be 20.5 inches long and would weigh 7 pounds, 7
ounces. You've got to find a way to scan a picture over to us!
Msg #36282 Dated 14:59:51 03-06-92 36274 <--> 36283
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIRUS
Did it really fall off when the screw was removed?
Msg #36283 Dated 15:07:43 03-06-92 36282 <--> 36294
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VIRUS
I heard that it did, but I wasn't there.
Msg #36287 Dated 15:41:08 03-06-92 36271 <--> 36290
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I was in Hollywood Magic some years back when a guy came in and asked,
"Do you sell The Mystery of the Silver Rings?" From this title we knew
he'd seen Henning, who was appearing at the Pantages at the time. So,
Jonathan Neal Brown said, "Sure, do you want the eight-inch Mystery of
the Silver Rings, or the ten-inch Mystery of the Silver Rings?"
The guy bought a set, and left. Jonathan said, "He'll be back." Sure
enough, in less than an hour the guy returned and demanded his money
back. "This isn't the trick I wanted," he explained. "Some of these
rings are permanently linked together, and one has a slit. The trick I
saw used six solid, separate rings."
Msg #36290 Dated 17:20:09 03-06-92 36287 <--> 36301
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
After the Henning special where he performed the Gene Anderson
paper tear a guy I was working with (bass player in band) bought
the patter about "not actually tearing the paper, it is an
illusion". All you can do is shake your head in wonder that there
are guys around who actually believe what they see and hear the
magician do. Sure makes life wunnerful.
Msg #36292 Dated 17:20:20 03-06-92 -> 36314
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: NATHAN'S LITTLE WAND
Ee;36288
Tell Nathan his wand will be repaired shortly and that I appreciate
him being my wand tester. He's a goodun'.
Msg #36294 Dated 18:01:39 03-06-92 36257 <--> 36351
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VIRUS
I got hit by the Van Gogh Virus twice... can't hear a thing!
Msg #36295 Dated 18:01:42 03-06-92 36261 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: ONCE AGAIN
It is my Mom's Birthday, the 28th and will be visiting her in
Rohnert Park, a stone's throw from the Chicken capital of the
world, Petaluma!
Msg #36297 Dated 18:01:53 03-06-92 36267 <--> 36519
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
To: Tommy Wonder... YES... the book makes one close the eyes and
see what can be. Spent considerable time today with an exceptional
person (unfortunately on the phone)... DREAMING of magical effects.
No barrier of METHOD was discussed... there are NO BARRIERS to
magical effects... one must dream, think, design and then let
the expert mechanics create the least important part, the props.
.
The most important is the scene, the mood, the ideas... the
feeling one must build, do, sell, be, say, think... Jointly we
devised three things we believe have not been thought of before.
It was great. It will be great.
YES!
Msg #36298 Dated 18:02:06 03-06-92 36268 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DIVERS
To: Tommy and Lynn
Thanks so much for your messages... always good to hear from one
who has the brain in gear!!! Tell Lynn, "Nothing worth doing
is EASY..." If it was everyone would do it!
Msg #36299 Dated 18:02:12 03-06-92 36269 <--> 36310
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DADDY SPEAKS.....
Arnaud: Congratulations... but AGE 0 ??? Must have been at least
one minute or so.... Best, p biro... honorary member MAGIC!-NL
Msg #36300 Dated 18:02:16 03-06-92 36272 <--> 36304
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Fooey... Mike has good arwork in Italy... but not much in my
ROM BIOS... a song? Uh, no problems. I think NORTON and his pals
put out the news to SELL THEIR MEDICINE... The same virus was here
last year...
Msg #36301 Dated 18:02:22 03-06-92 36287 <--> 36303
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
YUK YUK YUK YUK.... SO TRUE, DUDE, SO TRUE... a Lumpen to say
the least!
Msg #36303 Dated 18:02:30 03-06-92 36290 <--> 36337
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
People, for the most part, BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY ON STAGE. I have
many examples, too numerous to list (actually I can't remember any)
that back that up. No one thinks we lie. Especially when smiling.
Msg #36304 Dated 18:45:48 03-06-92 36209 <--> 36315
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Ain't computers wonderful. The only thing experience has taught
me is how true the old adage is that one should never de-bug
standing up.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36305 Dated 18:45:56 03-06-92 36213 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HIMBER
Stacey,
Which daughter? What's wrong?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36307 Dated 18:46:13 03-06-92 36223 <--> 36309
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Pete,
I've never had a cat who didn't think (possibly correctly) that
he was the owner, lord and master of everything he saw.
Periodically, they are willing to accept worship from their
servants in the form of stroking, and scratching behind the ears.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36308 Dated 18:46:22 03-06-92 36224 <--> 36732
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COOPERFIELD BIG FINISH
Pete,
Then what good is he?
It would be fun to ride in the blimp. Have you done so?
The first time I rode in a helicopter was extraordinary. I had
been piloting planes for years, and expected something
equivalent. Weird stuff.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36309 Dated 18:46:31 03-06-92 36260 <--> 36585
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: EMERGENCY
Marvin,
Maybe you'll leave me the joke about Lucky Pierre in private?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36310 Dated 18:46:39 03-06-92 36269 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DADDY SPEAKS.....
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36312 Dated 19:01:45 03-06-92 -> 36340
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: HIMBER RING
Whew. I'll try to respond to everyone in one message.
Apologies if I leave anyone out, but this gets
repetitive enough as it is.
All: I should have qualified my statement yesterday by
saying that I am referring to extremely intelligent
audience members. Most audience members can be fooled
by just about anything.
Pete: Haven't seen the Kreskin or Koran routine (nor,
for that matter, the Pendragon routine), so can't
comment directly. My reaction depends on what you
meant by selling. If you mean that K and K had really
entertaining and, one hopes, baffling routines, then
fine. But if (using Kreskin as the example) all
Kreskin did was a standard routine accompanied by
telling everyone how great it was, then I can't be
impressed, regardless of how much applause he garnered.
Sears and Roebuck uses hard sell techniques and makes a
lot of money, but that is no comment on the quality of
the merchandise. It strikes me of telling a joke and
then explaining why it's funny. If you weren't Pete
Biro the Magician, but were just a smart guy in the
audience, would those routines have fooled you, or
would you have thought that one of the borrowed rings
had to be a gimmick (or switched for a gimmick)? Or
(and this is the only saving grace I can see for this
effect) was the situation created so entertaining that
it didn't really matter how the thing worked?
Evan: I didn't say the finger rings differed from the
cig through quarter re obviousness of method. What I
referred to was a truly original and quite amusing
situation created in the Karrell Fox routine with the
quarter. If someone could come up with an equally
entertaining routine with the rings, then great!
Cy: The problem I have witnessed is that the audience
members in my vicinity realize that one of the rings
that is linked is NOT one of the borrowed rings (or
either that one of the spectators was a stooge). And
they are RIGHT. At that point where is the magic or
the entertainment?
Stacey: I envy your being a beginner. There is so
much great stuff for you yet to encounter. Re getting
started in magic, I feel that the best dollar value
always has and always will be in books. Brad is an
excellent guy to steer you in this, and he has a superb
collection in his store. For both you and the kids you
are dealing with, I also think the finest magic and the
greatest personal rewards* come from doing sleight of
hand. This doesn't necessarily mean all card tricks,
nor does it mean you have to do difficult sleight of
hand. This is the only area in which all the magic
comes from YOU, not from clever boxes, etc. (*The
greatest financial rewards are a different matter.)
Kevin: I agree, I never know how a given audience will
react. I am often fooled myself by something I wind up
kicking myself later for because the method was so
obvious. Re this effect though, I think MOST highly
intelligent spectators are not fooled. I think the
effect is too impossible. Now, why is the linking
finger rings too impossible, and David Copperfield
flying all over the place isn't? Because the finger
rings are too impossible in such a way that they lead
the audience directly to the correct solution. With
David's flying illusion, they haven't a clue.
Msg #36314 Dated 20:10:45 03-06-92 36292 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NATHAN'S LITTLE WAND
Great, Tabman, I know he'll appreciate it. His magic just hasn't been
the same since his Tabman Wand went in for its 20,000 pass check-up,
lube and filter change.
Msg #36315 Dated 20:14:38 03-06-92 36300 <--> 36316
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Well, the little I did hear indicates that at least Michelangelo was a
real virus and not just PR for the anti-virus programs. Apparently
some people did get hit by it, but not as many as feared.
By the way, you were chatting about what people believe in magic. You
should see what they believe in computing! I've had some people tell
me that they won't get a modem because they don't want computer
viruses.
Msg #36316 Dated 20:17:10 03-06-92 36304 <--> 36336
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Now THAT is a great statement! Never de-bug standing up. Perfect.
Absolutely perfect.
I think I've mentioned the time a buddy of mine was helping to uncrate
a new mainframe. Inside was a plastic bag of plastic ants with a note
that says "we weren't sure where the bugs were to be installed."
Msg #36317 Dated 21:18:02 03-06-92 -> 36339
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
Let's see, your name is Katz...Pussy? Kitty? Furry? Bureau?
Demo? Aristo? Fat? Or...GEORGE! I give up!
Msg #36319 Dated 21:19:52 03-06-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: CATS
Hiya, Doug!
Yes, Tutanka owns US. She is a self appointed sentry to the kids.
My little one is sick right now and Tanka hasn't left her side,
except for quick trips to the cat box and food. She actually
GROWLS at strange noises! She retrieves and swims too - not
unusual for a Siamese. Best of all, she likes my magic. She's
always a willing audience.
Msg #36329 Dated 22:06:07 03-06-92 -> 36332
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: WOMEN
Once again - aren't there any WOMEN on this entire system? Am I the
ONLY one? Please, if you're a female mage, ANSWER ME! I mean, how can
I TALK about guys TO guys? They don't appreciate a nice set of buns!
They're not MOMS! There HAS to be another woman out there! There
can't be 599 men and me! Where are you, oh female magicians?
Msg #36330 Dated 22:10:17 03-06-92 -> 36371
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: AUSTRALIA
I got a call from a good friend and magician today. Seems his ex wife
moved to Australia with is two little girls and this summer he gets to
have them for two weeks. Here is the clincher: the girls are 7 and
two weeks shy of 5 and cannot travel alone. Their mother cannot come
with them this time. My friend Barry asked me if there are any
magicians planning to come to the U.S. from Australia in April, and if
so, would the be willing to accompany two little girls? They are very
well behaved and have flown from Australia before, so it is not like
their very first time on a plane. And, of course, there will be flight
attendants. But they cannot travel unaccompanied. Anybody who can
help out a fellow mage will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, guys!
Msg #36332 Dated 22:35:30 03-06-92 36329 <--> 36342
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WOMEN
Indeed, there are women members of MAGIC! And a few more are, at the
moment, learning how to use the system. But many of them do not log on
on a daily basis.
Msg #36333 Dated 22:56:24 03-06-92 36259 <--> 36619
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: SCANNER
No old handbills, but I think I have an old magic magazine I found at
the swap meet. I'll see if I can find it.
Msg #36334 Dated 23:00:44 03-06-92 -> 36372
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: ALL
Re: HIMBER RINGS
Saw a linking finger ring performance at the Castle a couple of years
ago in the Palace. My friend couldn't stop talking about it for days.
Nothing else impressed her, but the linking finger rings were an
impossibility...and she didn't even see the damn things (we were
sitting in the back). Go figure. I think Nick Lewin was the performer.
On another point, does anyone know Louis Lemoine? He's an old magician
friend with whom I have lost touch.
Msg #36336 Dated 23:54:51 03-06-92 36272 <--> 36346
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Norton has one specifically designed to check for Michelangelo; it is
usually called NAV-MICH. You run it from a bootable floppy. I used it
yesterday and all was well; from the reports I have seen the threat was
grossly exaggerated.
Msg #36337 Dated 23:57:41 03-06-92 36220 <--> 36343
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
In both cases it depends on how convincing the performing is in selling
the idea that no switch has occurred and the effect is taking place
with the borrowed items.
Msg #36339 Dated 0:06:02 03-07-92 36317 <--> 36363
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
I'm glad you asked. We have two cats. The first, the oldest, is an
orange tiger from Queens, NY, my home town. His name is Fred Katz.
The second is a Burmese Sable. He was purchased in the Beverly Center
pet shop here in Los Angeles -- maybe not the smartest economic
decision, but once they get you into the "play room," it's all over.
His name is Mr. Schwartz, and I'm not sure why. I suppose he's
actually a hypenate (Schwartz-Katz), but he has trouble pronouncing
just the first partf his name, so we've let it slide.
And what does this have to do with magic? Well, the ages old mystical
connection between things magical and cats, of course. And Katz, too.
Wasn't there a famous performer whose real name was Katz? I dunno.
Msg #36340 Dated 0:07:17 03-07-92 36312 <--> 36341
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Audiences are only led to the correct solution of the Linking Finger
Rings if it has been incorrectly presented. In any decent routine, all
the rings are verified as being those of members of the audience -- but
again, if the performer is attempting a miracle he or she has to have
first convinced the audience that they are watching someone who CAN
create miracles.
Msg #36341 Dated 0:10:59 03-07-92 36312 <--> 36345
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Steve--
Gotcha. If you don't mi, what was the Fox presentation?
Msg #36342 Dated 0:13:07 03-07-92 36329 <--> 36370
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WOMEN
Hi, this is Jeanne Katz, Evan Katz's wife. I was looking over my
husband's shoulder and I said "why aren't there any women on this
board?" Suddenly your message popped up. I'm not a magician but if you
ever want to talk buns -- leave a
message.
Msg #36343 Dated 0:19:29 03-07-92 36287 <--> 36344
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Good story. My guess would be that's a genuine triumph of presentation
. Henning did such a good job the guy wouldn't accept it when the most
obvious method turned out to be THE method...
The story reminded my tangentially of the Dan Garret linking safety pin
routine that he performs on his tape. I'm pretty sure he doesn't
reveal that the pins are not gaffed until the explanation portion of
the tape. And when he did, I had sort of a reverse reaction to the guy
in Hollywood Magic. I couldn't believe the pins DIDN'T have a cut in
them! Nicely constructed routine, BTW.
Msg #36344 Dated 0:23:01 03-07-92 36337 <--> 36348
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I agree. Though the comparison gets silly with any great analysis, I
wonder what's the more striking visual image? Cigarette through
quarter or linked ring? I tend to think something poking right through
the danged quarter is the more killer image, but the finger ring is
more personal.
Msg #36345 Dated 0:25:34 03-07-92 36312 <--> 36378
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Actually, I've never noticed a direct corelation between intelligent
audience members and figuring out a method. I could actually mount a
reasonable argument that the more intelligent the audience member, in
a way the least likely they will be to figure out the method. The more
avenues their mind is used th pursuing, the more creative they are, the
harder it is for them to see the truth. At least that's what I think.
Occasionally you'll come across someone who will relentlessly analyze
the effect in a lawerly manner, and come upon an answer -- but it's not
always the right one!
Msg #36346 Dated 1:19:49 03-07-92 36185 <--> 36347
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
According to the TV reports the virus was set to go off EXACTLY on
the 6th. You could avoid it this year, but would get caught next
year, unless you fumigate your computer.
Msg #36347 Dated 1:19:51 03-07-92 36203 <--> 36362
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Yea, that's the info. They had found the virus and determined what
it would do. They've known about it for the past year. Problem is
no one knew where it had spread. Anyone get any news on how hard it h
it ?
Msg #36348 Dated 1:19:54 03-07-92 36188 <--> 36349
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Have you ever seen Jonathan Pendragon do the linking finger rings ?
.
It's all in the presentation, and yes he does use a stooge, but no
one suspects. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, but those
that do it right make magic !
Msg #36349 Dated 1:19:58 03-07-92 36220 <--> 36374
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
If you use 'their' quarter or a 'randomly' selected audience members
ring, rather using your own coin or ring, takes the heat off the
performer. This assumes you do the switch well for the coin and
convince the rest of audience that the rings are randomly chosen
from 'normal' audince members.
.
I think the finger rings are more difficult to sell and overcome the
obviousness you mention. The cig thru quarter _done_well can be very
powerful as they end up with their own quarter back. If done correctl
y there IS no other coin to be seen.
.
How married life treating you ? Havn't seen on the board as much as
you used to be.
Msg #36350 Dated 1:20:05 03-07-92 36256 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOK
Charlie do you stock any of Martin Nash's books ?
Msg #36351 Dated 1:20:08 03-07-92 36257 <--> 36352
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VIRUS
Huh ? What did you say ? I can't hear you I have two computers with
the Van Gogh virus.
Msg #36352 Dated 1:20:10 03-07-92 36294 <--> 36383
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIRUS
Damit Pete - I just replyed to Marvin's Van Gogh gag, without seeing
your reply. We are definitely on the same wavelength. This is getting
wierd !
Msg #36357 Dated 6:43:46 03-07-92 36125 <--> 36518
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: SAY HI
Hi Charlie! Sorry it took a while to reply - but this was a
particularly intense week, working on a new, positive project.
Hannah and I had a wonderful time at the auction, and I wish we had
found time to talk more. Don't they do a FANTASTIC job with the
auction? They put an incredible number of work hours into making
things go as smoothly as it does, making me darn proud to be an Austin
magician. We are very fortunate to have a town FULL of active
magicians - the kind that reinforce my earliest feelings about magic,
which is that I didn't just fall in love with magic, but with
magicians, as well!
Msg #36359 Dated 6:59:44 03-07-92 36023 <--> 36426
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
It sounds a bit wierd, but who knows, it just might work! I think of
stuff like this fairly often, but I don't really tinker around in a
workshop very much. I'm not really big on making gimmicks, etc... Too
bad I don't have John Cornelius' mind - I'd spend most of my time in
the hardware stores, or in my garage with the soldering iron!
Msg #36361 Dated 7:06:09 03-07-92 -> 36390
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FETAQUE SAUNDERS
Ee;36334
Fetaque Saunders has been hospitolized but his condition is stable.
Msg #36362 Dated 7:06:13 03-07-92 36336 <--> 36373
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I'm with Pete. Norton probably wrote Michelangelo - would make a
great excuse for lost computer records though. Did you see America's
Most Wanted last night? They're looking for a murdering magician -
I forget his name - South American guy who was living in Miami with
a warehouse full o' props!!!!
Msg #36363 Dated 7:06:19 03-07-92 36339 <--> 36368
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
Max Katz and Max Katz - one an amateur and one a pro who changed
his name, the other has a famous magician grandson. Is this a
trivia question??? It is if you want it to be!
Msg #36364 Dated 7:06:23 03-07-92 -> 36385
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Ee;36347
Just got current Magic Menu and wanted to say THANX for the vote
of confidence ya'll put in me and the MCCMS. I really appreciate
it. It makes me determined to try harder next year. Thank you Jim
and MM staff!!!!! Any word from EB yet?
Msg #36368 Dated 8:27:07 03-07-92 36317 <--> 36375
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
Citty Katz
Msg #36370 Dated 8:27:17 03-07-92 36329 <--> 36376
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WOMEN
There IS Lynn Healy, Ellen Trunkeltrott and Cindy Czerlip (I have
probably spelled 'em wrong, but since I have not seen their names
recently -- and you got to admit these are semi UNCOMMON monikers)
I know Lynn reads and replies via Tommy Wonder (from Holland,
since she just moved there) and there might be some lurking but
not replying.
And, er, uh, I guess you are saying it is OK for women online
to talk about the men.
Does that mean it is NO AGAIN OK FOR US TO DISCUSS TITS and
other ASSPECTS? Without it be-ing sexist?
Msg #36371 Dated 8:27:28 03-07-92 36330 <--> 36388
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: AUSTRALIA
Max Maven is goint to Australia and mebbe he knows someone over
there??? And Tim Ellis is coming here from there to IBM but you
know the dates... do you want his fax number? He mite help.
Msg #36372 Dated 8:27:33 03-07-92 36334 <--> 36528
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: HIMBER RINGS
When I saw Koran and Kreskin they did the linking finger rings
in a HUGE auditorium and almost no one could see the rings, yet
(especially with Kreskin) the aud. believed they were seeing a
miracle that could not be explained, hence the standing ovation.
Msg #36373 Dated 8:27:39 03-07-92 36336 <--> 36379
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
But the sale of Anti Virus programs WAS NOT EXAGGERATED, it was
Highly Profitable!!! Had again by the technoid/business men!
Msg #36374 Dated 8:27:43 03-07-92 36337 <--> 36377
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Yep, as I always believe, audiences DO NOT THINK SWITCH... they
also do not think DUPLICATES. Like they think it is the same
silk in the 20th Century Silk trick.
Msg #36375 Dated 8:27:48 03-07-92 36339 <--> 36431
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
Max Katz, Ricky (Ric... oops don't want to put out his real name)
Jay's Grandfather.
Msg #36376 Dated 8:27:52 03-07-92 36342 <--> 36387
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN
Why can only women talk buns? I have a good oven and several
recipes. Oh, how long can you keep chicken broth in the fridge
safely without freezing it? And, if one has "hard boiled" some
eggs, set them in the fridge and they are not REALLY DONE ENOUGH,
can they be "RE-BOILED" to make more like I wanted them?
Msg #36377 Dated 8:27:59 03-07-92 36344 <--> 36381
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
There is a very wonderful routine published somewhere (I just don't
recall title/publisher) where two finger rings are linked, and
they are set on the table, genuinely linked, and can bear the
greatest scrutiny. Scotty York worked out a variation using one
real finger ring and one Origami Ring made from a Dollar Bill.
The only difference being that the Dollar Bill ring makes sense
in the context of his performing style, sequence of effects, but
the trick and modus is identical.
Msg #36378 Dated 8:28:09 03-07-92 36345 <--> 36418
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
IMHO when the audience gets to the point where they feel it
necessary to TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE SECRET the performer has
FAILED MISERABLY. That should NOT COME INTO PLAY at all in an
entertainment media. Do you think the audiences sit there and
wonder how the electricity makes the spotlight work? How the
fingers going across the guitar strings make sound?
.
Nuts. ... er Nutz... to the magician up there demonstrating
PUZZLES... He/She probably just bought the trick and practiced it
three or four times before putting it into the show... Without
even considering the entertainment, theatrical approach needed.
Or the Psychology, set up, reason for doing it, timing of the
moments... the pauses, the way to POINT THE EFFECT, the CLARITY OF
EFFECT, if the audience can even see the trick, or if they even
need to see the trick?
.
The lighting, sound, wardrobe, --- argh... the list goes on...
.
Back to the Linking Finger Rings (Himber, er, really DIACONIS).
.
The prop was invented FOLLOWING a routine described by Fawcett Ross,
in a letter, discussing Eliaser Bamberg (Okito's father) presenting
an effect where a quantity of finger rings were borrowed from the
audience and "made into a chain" which was then "linked visibly"
onto the large Linking Rings. Freddy Fah performed a similar routine
in an Ice Show... and Orsen Welles, in the 40s did a "Magical
Chain Welding" in Hollywood. (Magical Chain Welding: a number of
rings, or single chain links, are placed into a glass, then tossed
as a group into the air... when they come down they are linked
together in a chain) -- this dates back to the 15th Century or
before...
.
Ross suggested to Diaconis that the effect would be great if he
(Diaconis -- who was working for Himber "Inventing" much of what
Himber marketed) could devise a way to do the EFFECT "without"
the same method as the chain welding (switch tray -- rings borrowed
by assistant, dropped onto a tray, then "poured from tray into the
glass" (the switch being done by the tray -- and the reverse done
to return the rings)... So Persi figured out a routine/handling
using a gaffed ring that opened and closed, and locked. He went
to N.Y. Manufacturing Jeweler Willy Schneider. Scheider made up
two or three prototypes and they took them to Himber. Himber liked
it so much he IMMEDIATELY advertised and marketed same. It is NOT
related, mechanically, to the Arthritic ring... which only has a
way of enlarging its diameter, not opening and closing.
.
Now I forget my original point... but it probably has to do with
the method.. and audiences figuring it out... I was merely going
to say that the linking of finger rings -- THE EFFECT -- need not
require a HIMBER RING. Al Koran devised and marketed a version
that APPEARS to be exactly the same, to the audience, as the Himber
handling... using a store bought finger ring, cut to work like the
key ring in a standard linking ring set.
.
Now... THIS IS MY OPINION.... I really think the Koran, non Himber
Ring version IS EASIER TO DO .... You do not have to open and
close a gaffed ring! Have you ever tried to do the Linking Rings
with one of the "fabulous (???)" Locking Key rings... Slows the
trick down terribly.... makes you have to Look and search for the
gaff... etc. NOT WORTH USING FOR THE COMMERCIAL PERFORMER... OK
as a puzzle for the magic clubs. I think the finger rings is in
the same category.
.
And yes, the Koran thing can be used like the Himber, in that
you CAN show all three folks the rings to verify that they are
indeed THEIR RINGS...
.
The Subtlety of the Billy McComb handling (on his Stevens Video)
is the first thing I would study and learn before I would even
consider doing the effect.
.
Then there is the subtle finish that Bruce Cervon uses (don't even
think of asking... he (and I) don't want that tipped anywhere.
He uses it and it comes from something I devised and sent to him,
and is not for other magicians to even know about... sorry, dudes
and dudettes...
Msg #36379 Dated 8:29:20 03-07-92 36347 <--> 36380
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I didn't hear of it "h itting" but I did hear it "hit someone that
knows the editors of Microtimes (folks in next office down the
hall from me) and wiped out 300 meg HD... argh...
Msg #36380 Dated 8:29:25 03-07-92 36347 <--> 36396
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Argh... am going to a rock concert tonite and have an ear ache!
Msg #36381 Dated 8:29:28 03-07-92 36348 <--> 36423
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I have not seen Jonathan do it, but have a tape of the same
identical routine done by his wife Char... (we shouldn't tip that
he uses a stooge here... it is up to HIM if he wants that divulged).
Tsk... tsk...
.
Now that you have said it... the concept is also in print in
Ron Wilson's "Uncanny Scott" and I have written that approach up
years ago where you can use a "helper" not a stooge... You don't
tell that person the ring is gaffed. What you do is say to them,
"I need a little help... I want to do a trick where I need to
borrow some rings from the audience, but peope are always very
reluctant... So ... would you wear this ring... so that when I
ask for some, you GET THINGS ROLLING... once you give me a ring,
then the others will follow.
.
This way the guy doesn't know it is a gaffed ring... he is just
helping to keep the show moving! Very important, and very strong.
Because PEOPLE TALK later... and you don't want them to know
that there are such things as TRICK finger rings.
.
Same approach with cut/restored necktie... you tell some guy
that no one likes to take their tie off, so you put one on him
NOT TELLING HIM WHAT THE EFFECT WILL BE.
.
How many do that trick? How many use some sort of DUMB CHANGE BAG
DEVICE?
.
Anyone want to know a fantastic way to switch the tie in a way
that APPEARS normal???? But YOU MUST BE SERIOUSLY IN NEED OF THIS
IDEA...I don't want to give this out just to someone THAT WANTS
TO KNOW HOW IT IS DONE... it is for someone that will USE IT
PROFESSIONALLY.... If you are interested leave me a PRIVATE
message and EXPLAIN WHY YOU WANT TO KNOW... then I will evaluate
any requests before answering.
Msg #36383 Dated 8:30:07 03-07-92 36352 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIRUS
Wierd? or weird? It is getting something... ARgh...
Msg #36385 Dated 8:30:21 03-07-92 36364 <--> 36389
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
I just go the M Menu too... nice... nice... but hey, Sisti KNOWS
what he's talkin' about! Friend called and said there was a really
KILLER article in Stan's MAGIC, The Magazine... and my postperson
still has it... guess he/she is a slow reader. Man this ear ache
is driving me nuts... and going to Huey Lewis/Dead/Etc. concert
tonite promoted by our sister magazine ... BAM ... then to a cast
party later (at night) followed by a Brunch Sunday morning...
If I am still alive Sunday night... send help.... Think I will
take a few naps today....
Msg #36387 Dated 8:53:03 03-07-92 36329 <--> 36408
From: GLENN FALKENSTEIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WOMEN
Hello Stacey! My husband, Glenn Falkenstein happen to be on this
network today & I heard your appeal. I'm wondering what you would like
to discuss re: magic that we both are deeply concerned with?
Something was said about the Himber Rings. I think this is a
masterpiece in the hands of Kreskin, Jonathan Yarborough, but then I
believe in metaphysics, so this amazed me when first I saw them perform
the effect. Anyway, as the great Channing Pollock so wisely put
it....,
"It is not the effect, but the personality behind the effect that
makes the difference. Showbusiness is personality, and just when you
feel you can not watch another linking ring routine, along comes someoe
to present it in a new and beautiful way that thrills an audience.
I am happy that there are females in magic, but then there always
were, but now some of them are coming into their own and this is good.
Must close and get back to this Sunny Day here in Hollywood! Frances
Willard signing off.
Msg #36388 Dated 9:05:21 03-07-92 36371 <--> 36406
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUSTRALIA
Sure! Yeah! Send fax number! I need all the help I can get. I feel
like the Red Cross, but like the warm fuzzy feeling it gives me. Oh,
yes, you can feel free to discuss, TITS, and other ASSPECTS. Tit for
Tat right? (Who the heck was Tat, anyway?) But I get to discuss BUNS.
and MAGIC WANDS (heh heh heh!)
Msg #36389 Dated 9:08:15 03-07-92 36364 <--> 36394
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
You deserve the credit if not the $$$... I'll talk to you regarding
our various projects voice. One never knows...
Msg #36390 Dated 9:08:53 03-07-92 36361 <--> 36395
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FETAQUE SAUNDERS
Wishing him a speedy recovery.
Msg #36394 Dated 10:30:08 03-07-92 36385 <--> 36411
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Les Smith has a nice article on my man, Floyd Thayer, in M A G I C
this month but haven't had a chance to read it yet. If the Dead is
gonna be there tonite, check and see if they ever found a piano
player yet. Started mowing a ten acre pasture with my riding mower
and drew a crowd - ha ha ha - my farmer neighbors got a big laugh
over that one.
Msg #36395 Dated 10:30:15 03-07-92 36390 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FETAQUE SAUNDERS
Fetaque Saunders is a retired magician around 80 years old who
lives in a nursing home in Music City. I faxed you the Modem
Commando article at the sysop's request, but never heard if you
got it or not. It is outdated stuff anyway. Bizarre Burton is the
main modem guru these days.
Msg #36396 Dated 10:36:07 03-07-92 36336 <--> 36397
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Apparently the virus threat did encourage people to run virus checkers
(and, as Pete points out, to buy them), to perform backups and to, in
general, clean up their acts. It heightened public awareness of the
problem, although a lot of what got disseminated was erroneous.
Msg #36397 Dated 10:38:40 03-07-92 36346 <--> 36412
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
And fumigation of a computer is a damn hard task! Seriously. My main
annoyance is that people seem to think that by touching a modem or a
system like MAGIC!, that they can get a virus.
Msg #36401 Dated 11:10:14 03-07-92 -> 36413
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Here is the Fox routine in Pete Biro's words. I
thought this was worth a year of logons.
Are you familiar with Karrell Fox handling of cigarette
(or whatever) thru quarter? He has a gal hold the coin
on top of a beer or soda bottle. He tells her to close
her eyes. Pushes cigarette thru and into bottle. (Like
a Powers of Darkness/Paper Balls over the head) and
then tells her to ask others how he did it. When they
say "He pushed it thru the quarter" she don't believe,
of course. Good stuff.
Msg #36405 Dated 11:15:14 03-07-92 -> 36407
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Sorry if the previous attempt was botched.
What constitutes a decent routine? The two biggest
names I've seen do the rings are Steve Spill and Brian
Gillis, both of whom are performers I admire a lot. In
both cases, all the rings were verified as being those
of members of the audience. In both cases, strong
audience applause indicated that most audience members
were fooled. Very likely, some of those went home and
told their friends it was the greatest trick they've
ever seen. BUT -- in both cases audience members in my
vicinity turned to me or to their companions and said,
"Hmmm, you'll notice that he didn't show the linked
rings to all three people at the same time!" They KNEW
what was going on, and I don't think it was necessarily
the fault of the performers; I think it was the
obvious fact that the rings couldn't be linked unless
one was gimmicked. So I'm not certain there is a
genuine debate here. If someone has a strong routine
(possibly the Pendragons?) that I haven't seen and that
works, then I am all for it. But -- with most of those
I've seen on stage or in print, the performer should be
aware that he isn't fooling everybody (perhaps this can
be said of EVERY effect). One of the effects I do
regularly, to strong reaction, is Tsunami (Overcon).
It strikes many people as impossible. But I have run
into one lady that I didn't fool. I continue to do the
effect, but I have to be aware that some audience
members are less easily taken in than others.
On another level entirely (a purely personal level),
I've never liked the finger ring effect because it is
too much of a puzzle. The "magic" takes place in the
confines of the performer's hands, and then he has to
convince the audience, after the fact, that something
magical happened. With the Chinese linking rings, if
well done, the audience SEES the rings melt together.
I find this far more aesthetically pleasing.
Msg #36406 Dated 11:17:07 03-07-92 36388 <--> 36736
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: AUSTRALIA
And I would remind you and Mr. Biro that the gratuitous use of
vulgarity is not welcome on MAGIC! And that our focus is magic, not
body parts. It is OK to discuss the Broken and Restored Wand, but only
as an effect to be performed in public.
Msg #36407 Dated 11:29:35 03-07-92 36405 <--> 36414
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Seeing what had happened, I went ahead and deleted the first two
versions of your message.
Msg #36408 Dated 12:11:09 03-07-92 36387 <--> 36432
From: PETE BIRO
To: GLENN FALKENSTEIN (X)
Re: WOMEN
Hi Frances (and Glenn) didn't know you were here... hah, got to
watch what I say!!! Been having great use out of the coin load
you showed me many moons ago (when we were both CHILDREN!!!) at
the Magic Cellar in San Francisco! Still fools 'em!
.
Don't be strangers. Your contribution, today, about what Channing
says is SOOOOO TRUE.... so true.... and something that is maybe
as important as all we can say or think.
.
Understand he will be at Desert Magic Seminar... Hope I can get
some time to visit... have committee work there, and got to fly
away on Saturday to pay the rent!
Msg #36411 Dated 12:11:34 03-07-92 36394 <--> 36442
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Just cuz your riding mower is a Buick? Har... the Dead... hmmmm
you don't wanna tour with those dudes do you? The gal that is now
editor of Micortimes used to be assoc. ed. of BAM and she was
telling me that she went on a Dead Tour once to do a story! But
didn't go into any details.... tsk....
Msg #36412 Dated 12:11:41 03-07-92 36397 <--> 36419
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Cough cough, argh... I touched my modem... and I can't get up!
Msg #36413 Dated 12:11:44 03-07-92 36401 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Hey, how did you find that? In the barrell of disks? har... yes
it is a great handling...
Msg #36414 Dated 12:11:48 03-07-92 36405 <--> 36416
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
OK steverino... CHALLENGE... work on linking finger rings... make
it better. In the McComb tape you "ALMOST" can show all the rings
to all the folks at one time... and I would think you "with the
proper handling/wording" CAN DO IT.
.
I Mentioned the Koran (non Himber) linking finger rings... I
think if revised a bit and thought out YOU COULD APPEAR TO LINK
THEM QUITE VISIBLY.
.
The finish I devised (and is the basis for the Cervon way) does
include a VISIBLE unlinking that is awesome. I have only physically
shown this to two persons. Cervon and the late Fred Kaps.
Amazingly, Cervon made a little change and wound up coming up
with the ORIGINAL METHOD that I had in my notes but was NEVER TO
TIP... But it is going to be in THE BOOK.... hah....
Msg #36416 Dated 12:12:14 03-07-92 36407 <--> 36448
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
We want to see the first two versions!!! Jus' kidding... I hope
someone here on Mojo does some serious thinking about the Linking
Finger Rings... I AM... AND IT WILL BE BOOK MATERIAL.
.
First thought is to bring in a thumb tip. Wait til you see Maven's
idea with the thumb tip bill switch we worked on when he was
here the other night.
.
OH, the Chinese Lettering on the Grant Temple Screen (which I
bought) does not say "No Smoking".... it says "Keep Smoking"....
Checked it out with the real source... Fanny Tjin (AKA JADE).
Msg #36418 Dated 12:30:28 03-07-92 36312 <--> 36424
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Steve,
Again, I think it is in the presentation. I feel that a
performer is able to dismiss that possibility in the minds of the
audience. To either do a series of other things that have no
explanation, and then the Himber ring. Or to offer another
reasonable, wrong and quite impossible explanation. People are
there to be entertained. Given half a chance, the average
audience is willing do do almost ANYTHING to be entertained. To
have the time of their lives. Something they can go home and
brag about at the office. No one likes to go to their friends
and say, "Yeah, we had a lousy time the other night."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36419 Dated 12:30:38 03-07-92 36315 <--> 36420
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I am the "Computer expert" at the office, and you wouldn't
BELIEVE some of the stuff I heard. I now understand how all the
misinformation about AIDS got started.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36420 Dated 12:30:46 03-07-92 36316 <--> 36425
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
David,
That is a great story. Kinda makes me want to find the guy who
took the trouble to get some plastic ants etc...and buy him a cup
of coffee.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36423 Dated 12:31:14 03-07-92 36344 <--> 36429
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Evan,
Michael Ammar talks about taking the cigerrette through quarter
routine one step further. If you get a chance to hear "Making
Magic Memorable" you should. Good stuff.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36424 Dated 12:31:22 03-07-92 36345 <--> 36430
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
As James Randi has pointed out on numerous occasions, the easiest
people to fool are the scientists.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36425 Dated 12:31:30 03-07-92 36347 <--> 36446
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
Jerry,
Not hard. I'm told only a couple thousand computers. I had been
told before that they expected a million to get hit. Probably a
statistical analysis.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36426 Dated 12:31:38 03-07-92 36359 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Michael,
If you, periodcally, want to send me some ideas you'd like build,
I might be able to oblige. If it ever goes anywhere besides
backroom tinkering, we can talk. I'm having a ball with some new
designs of flash paper launchers I'm making. I may even buy some
more machining equipment. (And, man, won't that make the wife
happy?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #36429 Dated 14:08:34 03-07-92 36349 <--> 36452
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Married life is well. I've been off the board for most of the past few
months because I've been furiously writing. I'm still furiously
writing, (or writing furiously,) but the need to reach out overcame me,
I guess! Hope all is well with you. My heas should get fully above
water sometime in the next four to six weeks, at which time I hope to
be a more stimulating MAGIC! member.
Re the cig-thru-1/4, I'm of the wildly personal opinion that the
penetration visual is more stiking than the linking visual. But what
do I know?
Msg #36430 Dated 14:13:44 03-07-92 36378 <--> 36453
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Thanks for the info, you're a wonderful trove of scholarly information.
How is your book coming?
Msg #36431 Dated 14:15:19 03-07-92 36363 <--> 36444
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
TellmeTellmeTellme.
Msg #36432 Dated 14:15:35 03-07-92 36376 <--> 36620
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WOMEN
I'd actually like to know how you can keep broth in the fridge w/out
spoiling it. And BTW, never refreeeze anything.
Msg #36442 Dated 15:09:34 03-07-92 36411 <--> 36456
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Well, I know two of their piano guys died of overdoses of
something or another and that they were looking awhile back. I
wouldn't mind touring with them, plus what better excuse to move
to the west coast. Property values going up here plus they will
pave the road soon. Maybe could make up the loss on Hotel DeCarlo
here. Already worth 20k moren I paid (will soon pay!!).
Msg #36444 Dated 15:09:44 03-07-92 36431 <--> 36499
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
Max Katz (the amateur magus) was Ricky Jay's grandpap and Max
Katz (the pro) was Max Katz Breit, better known as Max Malini!!!
Msg #36445 Dated 15:44:40 03-07-92 -> 36457
From: GLENN FALKENSTEIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO PETE
Yes, I do recall the incident at Earthquake McGoon's way back when
we were er'...well kids. You came up on the stage after the show and
were so nice to ask my permission to use it. This is providence that
you should mention this today, because just this morning I was tellling
Glenn that I would like to put a few things in the magic market place,
and that might be one of them. (As a matter of fact, I have been
saving the lids to my distilled waterbottles for sometime for just that
purpose.) Thanks for remembering. Glenn and I are off to pay the rent
tonight as well. We are on board the Queen Mary for a Unocal Show.
The Spirits really feel at home there among all the other ghosts from
eras past. I hear rumour that the old girl as well as the Spruce Goose
is in danger of being closed due to the economy. Well, anyone in magic
that feels like coming out tonight to say hello, can meet us in the pub
afterwards. We like to stroll the deck after we do a show. It really
is haunting, and one of the few things David hasn't made dissappear.
I hear from that "uncultured Lout" Bob Frenchhat they have a
marvelous Brunch on the Queen Mary.
I have a question, does anyone out there, some of the more
distinguished magician members ever recall meeting or seeig Edgar
Bergen in person? If so, could they tell me what they recall. I'm
collecting stories and want to share them at another time with someone
I know. (More on that later.)
Do we have to pay for this by the line? Because if we do, I suppose I
had better sign off. We are suppose to get there and set up before the
cocktail hour. Before, I go, I want to say one other word to Stacey.
I do recall meeting you at the Castle and our talk. I really
appreciate what you had to say, and you are quite right. All people
hould be treated with equal respect. Afterall, we are already
special without ever having any recognition. It's just that from the
moment we are born, we are brain washed to feel otherwise. One only
has to remind oneself that he or she is in possession of a Genii that
can make one rise to whatever heights he or she chooses. All you have
to do is put your attention on what you want...because "Where the
attention goes, the energy flows!" I had better close, Glenn is
laughing, and I'm starting to sound an awful lot like Jack Goldfinger
or Bodene Bolasko or one of the other prophets. This was fun, lets do
it again!! S
Msg #36446 Dated 16:30:19 03-07-92 36419 <--> 36447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
A great deal of misinformation is created by what I call "Telebabble."
It consists of the spontaneous on-camera statements of reporters and
newscasters - those moments when they are filling time and have run out
of script or appear to be chatting about the story with each other.
Since they have no idea what they are talking about, they will say
almost anything and, poof, you have a new nationwide rumor.
Of course, stuff happens in other ways too and you get some funny
moments. Like the time a workgroup had only one DOS diskette and since
everyone would use it to start their computer in the morning they got
tired looking for it - so they stuck it on the side of a file cabinet
with a big magnet.
Msg #36447 Dated 16:34:43 03-07-92 36420 <--> 36458
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
The guy who planted the ants was merely one member of the great
underground of techies. He knew there would be techies on the other
end uncrating the thing.
Msg #36448 Dated 16:37:45 03-07-92 36416 <--> 36459
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
The first two versions of the message were only partial uploads, not
different versions. Had they been different I would have retained
them.
No fair getting Maven to help with the bill switch! OK, I just went
over the list of the folks who have helped, advised and encouraged me,
and yeah, it is fair. Still don't wanna do it though.
Msg #36452 Dated 17:20:13 03-07-92 36429 <--> 36472
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
If you think about the cig thru quarter... when someone sees it
that has not seen it before... the effect is THERE IS A HOLE IN
THE COIN AND SOMETHING GOES THRU IT... they see the object going
thru... so it becomes a puzzle. How do you make it hole so we
cant' see it?
.
The Karrell Fox thing takes it to the next step... just like the
paper balls over the head.
Msg #36453 Dated 17:20:22 03-07-92 36430 <--> 36477
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
My book is delayed owing to my need to make the alimony, rent and
other back tax payments... meaning I had to take a job as an editor
of a magazine... and go into an office every day. ARgh...
Msg #36456 Dated 17:20:38 03-07-92 36442 <--> 36462
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
YO... will see... BAM is cool. One of their editors is so punk
you cannot believe... I kinda thot that look was obsolete. Wish
I had some funky clothes to wear tonite. My friend is wearing
black leather mini skirt and motorcyle upper stuff! I will be in
a grey suit. Do you think I will stand out? Maybe ought to check
the closet for some radical mix of duds instead...??? Hmmmm.
Msg #36457 Dated 17:20:46 03-07-92 36445 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GLENN FALKENSTEIN (X)
Re: HELLO PETE
I attended a lecture given by Edgar Bergen at the Variety Arts club.
Milt taped it and that must be in the Castle library someplace.
.
I have a HUGE COLLECTION of Bergen, McCarthy, Snerd, Clinker stuff.
.
Might have to sell some day to pay off the mortgage... but not for
awhile! Just what kind of stuff are you into? I have photos and
two scrapbooks full of articles and pictures on Bergen/McCarthy.
Msg #36458 Dated 17:20:55 03-07-92 36446 <--> 36466
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
That would screw up the file cabinet for sure! Nobody thought of
making dupes, eh?
Msg #36459 Dated 17:20:59 03-07-92 36448 <--> 36467
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Maven's idea DOES NOT INVOLVE MAKING A SWITCH.
Msg #36462 Dated 19:14:19 03-07-92 36456 <--> 36482
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
YO....Cowboy is cool, at least in Nashville and Big Apple. Man,
sure is quiet here on the farm. Glo is in Denver with the shooting
team. She smoked em today...Yow!! and with no practice in a year.
Wish somebody in Nashville had a big magic library. I have a need
for some serious research. Been looking for some info on an
obscure maker of magic and got only a short paragraph in one of
my books that I find so far. Maybe I'll call Byron tomorrow and
see if he knows anything. I'd call you except I know you'll be
sleeping all day after partying all night with the Dead. Have a
goodun!!!!!
Msg #36464 Dated 20:58:47 03-07-92 -> 36536
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RINGS
OK -- FINALLY some interesting thoughts on the finger
rings. If VISIBLE stuff happens, then the thing shows
promise. (Although we may be starting to stray into
the area which T A warns against -- of too many people
doing it. Sounds like everyone has a version.)
The deleted versions of my message to T A were just me
being spastic on the keyboard. Nothing exciting. And
the Fox routine: whenever something really cool comes
across, I block it off with WordPerfect and save it
under a separate name. I thought that particular
routine had extraordinary promise. By the way, do you
know if Karrell ever published it, and if so, in what
book or magazine? Otherwise, it is obviously NOT for
us to start doing. But the idea of using a Powers of
Darkness premise for other effects in intriguing.
Msg #36465 Dated 20:59:26 03-07-92
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: GLENN FALKENSTEIN (X)
Re: HI
Glenn and Frances,
Welcome to MAGIC! Every time I consider leaving this
BBS and getting back to a real life, someone or
something neat pops up. I hope you guys jump in often.
-- Steve Bryant
P.S. Sorry I don't have anything on Bergen. Have been
having a great time this week reading the Jack Benny
bio, by his daughter (remaindered hardback for $2.98!).
Bergen is mentioned of course. Jack also mentions
Cardini as if he were a household name (as he
apparently was in vaudeville).
Msg #36466 Dated 21:29:53 03-07-92 36458 <--> 36473
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I think they hadn't gotten as far as knowing how to make copies yet.
Hope you had a good time tonite!
Msg #36467 Dated 21:33:53 03-07-92 36459 <--> 36471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
How are you going to do a "bill switch" if you don't do a switch?
Msg #36471 Dated 23:24:40 03-07-92 36405 <--> 36533
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
In the Pendragon routine all three see the chain AND HOLD IT while the
rings are linked -- but an important point here is that by the time he
does the Linking Finger Rings, Pendragon has established himself so
strongly that they think, "This guy could actually do this!" In other
words -- they accept a miracle from a miracle worker; they wouldn't
necessarily accept it from a droll trickster.
Msg #36472 Dated 23:31:05 03-07-92 36344 <--> 36474
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
With the Linking Finger Rings -- for a long time after the person can
say "...and he linked THIS RING to the other ones!" I don't know how
likely they would be to save the quarter. Also, of course, there are
millions of quarters so a switch could enter their minds -- whereas
their ring is unique.
Msg #36473 Dated 23:39:23 03-07-92 36336 <--> 36478
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
It wasn't all hype, but with many people with PC's and the press
coverage that it got there seems to be a large market for anti-virus
programs.
.
Interesting marketing concept ! Create a virus, turn it loose, let it
proliferate and then release a product to find it.
Msg #36474 Dated 23:39:27 03-07-92 36381 <--> 36475
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I merely assumed Jonathan used a stooge (he may have used a helper
as you suggested). He used my USC class ring at the castle. When he
saw it he said, "Oh, USC - I'm UCLA BA theatre arts, I'm using my
education to make my living." I replied, "USC MBA 75, I'm rich". Got
a good laugh.
Msg #36475 Dated 23:39:30 03-07-92 36429 <--> 36476
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I agree that the cig thru 1/4 seems more like magic than the rings,
plus the fact that it can be done 'impromptu' whereas the rings
require a larger venue.
.
Hope your furiously writing furiuosly is going well and the project
is a success.
Msg #36476 Dated 23:39:34 03-07-92 36452 <--> 36484
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
What is the Karrel Fox thing of which ye speak ?
Msg #36477 Dated 23:39:37 03-07-92 36340 <--> 36500
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
You hit on an important point there TA. If someone does a bunch of
'tricks' and then attempts to perfrom a 'miracle' the audience
naturally assumes its just another magician 'trick ring'. If, however
the performer has presented material that has bordered on miraculous
then the linking ring 'miracle' becomes plausible.
Msg #36478 Dated 23:39:40 03-07-92 36397 <--> 36479
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
The main problem is that many users don't know the difference
between data and programs. In order for your computer to be infected
you HAVE TO RUN A PROGRAM that is already infected, that program
will infect all the other programs on to the system. Whereas data
as in msgs from MAGIC! can in no way harm the user.
.
Safe computing requires that you know where your programs have been
and with whom. Kinda like some other viruses that are running thru
society at the present time. Viruses are probably the best protection
against software piracy to come along so far. Cuts down on the number
of illegal copies and promaotes buying the original software.
Msg #36479 Dated 23:39:47 03-07-92 36420 <--> 36485
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
The 'original' bug in computing was found in a plug board (a kind of
hand wired bootstrap program). Seems a bug (I believe a roach) was in
one of the holes and when the plug was inserted it squashed the bug
such that the plug didn't make connection and hence the program was
incorrect. They guys trying to fix it checked all the wires and where
they were plugged and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work, since
the program as wired was 'correct'.
.
Someone finally found the 'bug' parts down in the hole, cleaned it
out and thus de-bugged the program. Its TRUE !
Msg #36482 Dated 23:39:27 03-07-92 36456 <--> 36737
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Don't pick on the punks -- look at David Copperfield; he seems to think
Miami Vice is still on the air...
Msg #36484 Dated 23:51:41 03-07-92 36474 <--> 36520
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
USC ED.D. 1972, I'm broke.
Msg #36485 Dated 23:53:43 03-07-92 36478 <--> 36498
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
I agree with everything you said! I suspect that the best way to get
a virus is from "borrowed" software that was "borrowed" from someone
else, etc. Buying the original software is pretty safe. There have
been some viruses inserted into commercial programs though.
Msg #36490 Dated 6:57:09 03-08-92 -> 36502
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
I've just had Jonathan's routine described to me in
detail via private message, and I agree with you: this
is a great version of the ring trick, and I would be
proud to present it if it were on the market and no one
else doing it -- would even consider using a stooge
method, despite the advice in my book! [To others:
For the record, Jonathan has tipped publicly in the
magic media that he uses a stooge for this effect. The
most recent entry is in the January 1992 issue of
GENII, in which he says he sometimes uses a switch and
sometimes a plant, depending on the circumstances.]
I'm a big fan of the Pendragons and certainly consider
this a strong effect as described, definitely worthy to
be on the bill with their illusions.
Still -- one should not get a swelled head because of
all that applause. When Jerry Burton says, "I merely
assumed Jonathan used a stooge," why is it that we
assume Jerry can think this but that no one else in the
audience can? Because he knows of gimmicked rings,
something that wouldn't enter anyone else's head? I
think we magicians vastly overrate our superiority to
the audience, as well as our ability to perform
miracles. Of course, some DO believe in miracles.
When I do a show, and someone comes up after and says,
"God, how did you get that card into that orange?
There's just no way," I am always amazed. For years I
refused to do such tricks as the card in the orange
because I thought it would be patently obvious to
EVERYONE that you stuffed the card in in advance.
Msg #36492 Dated 9:18:54 03-08-92 35681 <--> 36781
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VACATION
It's Sunday, and I haven't gotten that call yet....
Msg #36498 Dated 12:13:14 03-08-92 36165 <--> 36510
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MICHAELANGELO
P.O.Box 50 Basalt co 81321 thanks
Msg #36499 Dated 13:16:43 03-08-92 36444 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CATS AND KATZ
Got it! What an incredible lineage I've got!
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