MAGIC! - 95
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Msg #37001 Dated 7:34:27 03-13-92 36799 <--> 37025
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Pete...the card was the Two of Hearts...or at least, that was what
Karrell say it was with I heard him tell the story.
Msg #37002 Dated 7:34:35 03-13-92 36824 <--> 37003
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Jack Chanin is indeed one of the unsung legends of magic. He always
had some miracle that he demonstrated which blew the magi away ( I
am NOT talking lumpen here!). When the purchasers of said effects
opened up their goodies, it was always bits of tin, string, and spit.
They would go back to Jack to protest and he would take their bits
of this and that and proceed to blow them away again. His manner of
speech, appearance (he worn an earring long before it was the thing
for men to do) and presentation always attrached a crowd at his booth
Long after he had sold the shop, I recall seeing him dealing at some
convention with nothing but reminants from the ends of bolts of cloth
from some textile factory. He was making miracles and money as usual
Msg #37003 Dated 7:35:03 03-13-92 36825 <--> 37004
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Bob is still full time magic and seems to be doing well. The great
thing about Bob is that he is even better off stage. By that I mean
if you like his stage persona, you would like the real Bob even more.
I really believe that ones off stage personality has a great deal
to do with the success or failure of their stage performance and Bob
is a good example.
Msg #37004 Dated 7:35:20 03-13-92 36826 <--> 37005
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
The guy who demoed at Al's and devised the safety pin moves was named
Tom Ellis. A couple of his moves made it into not Harry's publicatio
n, but into Pallbearer's Review. As a matter of fact, I wrote the
routines up for him to submit. Unfortunately, Tom departed the shop
and the local magic scene under a bit of a cloud and some financial
concerns of a questionable nature. I haven't heard of his whereabout
s since.
The place with the great take out crab cakes on TWO crackers, was
just around the corner from the old Yogi Magic Mart (pre fire). I
don't remember the name of the place, but sure am glad you knew about
it. Conley's closed?? I would have thought that location would have
guaranteed continued success. I guess I will have to go Italian the
next time I eat in Baltimore. Right now, I am trying to find a way
to get tickets to that April 3 exhibition the Orioles are playing
with the Mets to work out the bugs for opening day in the new stadium
since opening day has been long sold old, I thought the April 3rd
game would be great to see. If the early pitching reports from
spring training are any indication, the Birds might do something
good this year.
Msg #37005 Dated 7:36:07 03-13-92 36827 <--> 37011
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Your "yeah" is well remembered and most likely influenced by your
long association with Frank. However, I can't recall ever hearing
Jeff "do you". I am sure you remember Jeff's routine with the
various personalities doing the card tricks.
Speaking of David Roth brings back memories of when he first hit the
magic scene. I remember going to New York and taking him with us to
that Magic Convention they used to have in Boston (maybe they still
do). It was the first time David had ever been out of the city and
the first time he had ever stayed in a hotel. A native New Yorker
would probably understand how folks could live their lives within
the confines of their "block". Max might even remember that weekend
of long ago, I recall him being in attendance although the Max image
had not been born yet.
Msg #37008 Dated 7:40:07 03-13-92 -> 37015
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VACATION
I know, my job is to SELL vacations, not GO on them. From the looks of
things, I'll get a vacation about 2001. But I thought I'd share some
reasons as to WHY I need a vacation. These are TRUE, I am NOT making
them up:
An elderly couple called and wanted to book a Vegas package. I said
fine. THEN they said they wanted an oceanfront room!
Another guy came in and wanted to go to Hawaii. But he wanted to know
which side of the plane the sun would shime on so he could sit on the
other side I told him he COULD order special meals, so he gave me a
menu and said to please have the airline serve him this menu.
ANOTHER guy, military, came in and said he had been ordered to Maconga.
I couldn't find Maconga in the atlas so I asked to see his orders. He
had been transferred to MACON, GA!
And last, but not least, a lady came in and saw my little Magicians
Travel Network sign. She asked if I was a magician (gee, whatever gave
her THAT idea?) and I said I was, then asked her where she would like
to go. She looked at me and said "Well magicians read minds DON'T
they? You tell ME where I want to go!" Where is Max Maven when I
really need him?
And you wanna know WHY I need a vacation...
Msg #37011 Dated 7:58:31 03-13-92 36996 <--> 37055
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Our experiences were not really all that dissimilar - my childhood was
spent in suburban and rural areas. I didn't learn about "organized
magic," the societies and magazines and conventions until much, much
later. As a matter of fact, I don't even recall knowing about mail
order sources. I never did get any of the big props except for things
I might have built for myself out of the scant information in books.
I probably did drool over them in the store, but my spendthrift habits
(always sending off two Ovaltine boxtops and 75-cents for secret
decoder rings, etc.) kept me down to gaffed card decks and the like
(did I mention that the best ice cream shop in town, with real ice
cream made on the premises, was a door or two down from the magic
shop?).
One of my thoughts for a project that the magic organizations should
undertake is a fund to buy starter magic books and to donate them to
school and public libraries around the country. Sort of as seeds to
help young magicians get started.
Msg #37013 Dated 8:19:19 03-13-92 36998 <--> 37016
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SCANNER
If I put together a realistic job description for the MAGIC! sysop I'm
afraid I'd leave town! Basically, you just play 24-hour a day
nursemaid to a nest of computers and modems. That and after about 9
p.m. you learn to forward your home phone to "Dial a Prayer."
Msg #37015 Dated 8:24:04 03-13-92 37008 <--> 37028
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VACATION
Vacations are for whimps, Stacey. As one of our on-line mages once
said (and I'll be darned if I'm going to make the mistake of attempting
to quote him verbatim twice in the same week) - "That's how you can
tell the pros from the amateurs, pros never take a day at the beach."
Those are funny stories! Did I ever tell you about the time a guy
called in that he was having trouble with a diskette? So the tech
said, "Make a copy of the diskette and send it to me." A couple of
days later the copy arrived in the mail - the guy had carefully CUT
OPEN the outer jacket of the floppy (5-1/4"), removed the diskette and
made a copy on the photocopier! And yes, he apparently knew it was a
"double sided diskette" because he thoughtfully "copied" both sides!
Msg #37016 Dated 9:40:35 03-13-92 37013 <--> 37020
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
David: I know you were t'ed off about the phone call, but did you have
to go public about it.
Msg #37020 Dated 17:46:24 03-13-92 37016 <--> 37052
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SCANNER
Sorry I didn't get to lunch today. My business associate went on and
on and on.
Msg #37024 Dated 18:32:22 03-13-92 36976 <--> 37032
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
More the Robert Heinlein response?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37025 Dated 18:32:29 03-13-92 36980 <--> 37058
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Frank,
I'm trying to work out a stage act at the moment. I find that my
stage personna (or at least as I perceive it) is CONSIDERABLY
different than my close-up personna.
And frankly, what makes my stuff work (or not work) is my rapport
with an audience. Not the effects.
Sorry I couldn't give a better response.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37028 Dated 18:32:53 03-13-92 37008 <--> 37062
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VACATION
Stacey,
Did you tell the lady that it was necessary to have a mind to
read?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37032 Dated 19:16:47 03-13-92 36970 <--> 37051
From: SCOTT MILLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
No I don't think that a magician should have to go to work at the drop
of a hat and saying that you dont want to work at that time is fine.
The point that I was trying to make was that I have heard that comment
from magicians many times, and it just does not sound like a good
answer to give if you are going to call youself a magician!
I myself tend to carry at least one realy killer piece so that a few
min. spent on my free time might get me a booking in the future, and
besides I very much enjoy watching people be amazed so I umost of the
time will be more than happy to do something, but hey I guess I just
dont tend to look at it like work.
Steelfyre
(****[===================>
Scott Miller
Msg #37042 Dated 21:01:02 03-13-92 -> 37077
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGES
In the last 4 hours there were 19 messages left - FOUR were public.
Don't y'all think it is time that magic came out of the closet?
Msg #37045 Dated 23:03:16 03-13-92 36937 <--> 37078
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GENII
Was good article. Leno is KING NOW.... Did anyone comment on
Gertner with Carson. Very good tech magic, would like to see a
little more of an entertainer in Paul.
Msg #37046 Dated 23:03:21 03-13-92 36944 <--> 37057
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HELP!
Rubles no good no mo... thanks anyhoo...
Msg #37047 Dated 23:03:24 03-13-92 36945 <--> 37080
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Roulette, dude, roulette. Am in Vegas but not gambled, but am
with some pro gamblers learnin some a one stuff!
Msg #37048 Dated 23:03:27 03-13-92 36946 <--> 37081
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
When you are the LAST to get cards, you get to see all the cards
dealt to the others... AT 3RD BASE, you are the last one to get
dealt to.
Msg #37051 Dated 23:03:39 03-13-92 36967 <--> 37053
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT MILLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
If you want to find out who the REAL MAGICIANS ARE, come to the
1993 Desert Seminar when we have the Improv Challenge!!!!
Msg #37052 Dated 23:03:43 03-13-92 36969 <--> 37070
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
LICHTMAN - 2 BIRO - 0
.
What are we voting on?
Msg #37053 Dated 23:03:48 03-13-92 36970 <--> 37069
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I usaualy say "I do it for a living... and when at social gatherings
am here to ENJOY myself and not work." I say this for both magic
and photo situations.
Msg #37054 Dated 23:03:53 03-13-92 36977 <--> 37177
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: RACE CARS
The photo was a "builder" of magic and it might have been the
unit Henning used in Long Beach... forget the guys name...
Msg #37055 Dated 23:03:57 03-13-92 36993 <--> 37059
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Got to go, will answer later.
Msg #37057 Dated 23:04:03 03-13-92 36944 <--> 37079
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HELP!
240K
Msg #37058 Dated 23:04:06 03-13-92 36963 <--> 37064
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
She's wearing a ....
.
What's a ....
Msg #37059 Dated 23:04:11 03-13-92 36990 <--> 37060
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Same Bob. Stensel Aces... what a great handling!
Msg #37060 Dated 23:04:14 03-13-92 36993 <--> 37250
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Jones had a building out back, that had all the magic and crazy
stuff in it. Books were in house, basement and a garage.
.
Thayer stuff up the gazinkus... and stuff from full evening shows.
Even had a life size picture of Charlie Miller on the wall framed.
(Byron got it now)... tons of stuff. Much of what I have came from
there.
Msg #37061 Dated 23:04:23 03-13-92 36995 <--> 37668
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Yep books in other room. Toomany guys at one time to get any
special treatment... some day... but, going to Bob Lunds in May
to do work on ring book. Silvan found an earlier reference than
Cardano on rings in Italian textbook.
Msg #37062 Dated 23:04:28 03-13-92 37008 <--> 37082
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VACATION
You should have had no trouble telling him "where to go!!"
Msg #37064 Dated 23:06:25 03-13-92 36982 <--> 37067
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
If nothing else, this exercise might get some people reevaluating their
magic.
Msg #37067 Dated 23:14:53 03-13-92 37025 <--> 37072
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I'll try to answer this again. Somehow I got cut off during my last
attempt to answer you. I found that the longer you perform on stage the
more comfortable you become. When I perform close up I like to ad lib
with the audience. On stage I find that I have to have a more
structured show. I have started scripting out my patter for each trick
that I do on stage. My segues are still a little weak. I figure that
the more I perform the better they will get. Only experience will
enable you to become comfortable on stage.
Msg #37069 Dated 1:13:24 03-14-92 37053 <--> 37073
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
How about "Sorry, but I've got a headache?" -- that seems to work in a
lot of social and interpersonal situations.
Msg #37070 Dated 1:14:01 03-14-92 37052 <--> 37071
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
RE: Lichtman - 2 Biro - 0
Last I heard, we was doin' a straw poll on who was gonna be Sysop here.
You told me that four of you in Oakland had voted me out, so we lookin'
for the replacement.
Msg #37071 Dated 1:15:17 03-14-92 36969 <--> 37086
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
Did you see Paul Goetner on Carson Weds night. He did a TT $ 20 to
$ 100 switch right into the camera ! There was the tell-tale movement
of the thumb behind the bill when the switch was made. Much prefer
the Klaus/Ammar half move switch - don't have that large move to make
.
It was a good routine. Ended with card in wallet and borrowed $ 20
in a large hour glass. Carson was shaking his head over that for sure
Msg #37072 Dated 1:15:21 03-14-92 37067 <--> 37084
From: JERRY BURTON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I've tried stage and find I can't get the rapport I need. More
comfortable with parlour or close-up.
.
I would show the customer a window into the fifth dimension and
push a cigarette into it. Sounds corny but it works !
Msg #37073 Dated 1:15:24 03-14-92 36981 <--> 37074
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
This discussion gives me a feeling of deja vu - seems we went throug
h this all before - perhaps in another lifetime ? Am suffering from
compu-paramnesia again, again, ...
Msg #37074 Dated 1:15:27 03-14-92 37051 <--> 37075
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Is the Improv Challenge a reality ?
Msg #37075 Dated 1:15:29 03-14-92 37053 <--> 37087
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I normally tell people I have two part-time professions, magic and
dentistry. I'm not in the mood to do magic right now, how about a
root canal ?
Msg #37077 Dated 1:15:36 03-14-92 37042 <--> 37088
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Huh - you are doing magic in your closet ?
Msg #37078 Dated 1:15:38 03-14-92 37045 <--> 37186
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENII
I saw Gertner - he put a lot of magic into the 7 minutes he got.
Classy one hand shuffle - how he do dat ?? With the few flourishes
he did, with the appropriate gasps from the audience, most people
would believe he COULD have made the card INVISIBLY jump into his
wallet. Nice entertwining of two effects - I hope David's TT move is
better than Gertner's or youse is gonna kill him !
Msg #37079 Dated 1:15:42 03-14-92 37057 <--> 37210
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP!
240K ? Is that a request for more RAM, don't be chintzy go for at
least a meg !
Msg #37080 Dated 1:15:44 03-14-92 37047 <--> 37169
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Yea right - roulette, I thought we were talking about Blackjack and
was cufoosed.
Msg #37081 Dated 1:15:46 03-14-92 37048 <--> 37089
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
I knew that, but that implies that by seeing the cards BEFORE yours
it gives you a better idea of what your card will be. Cards falling
after other cards don't remember what ones came before them or even
after them. Seems you could just as well sit anywhere and have the
same chance.
.
Flipping 9 heads in row doesn't change the probability of flipping a
tenth one - its still 50/50. Cards don't have memories either.
Msg #37082 Dated 1:15:51 03-14-92 37008 <--> 37122
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VACATION
maconga ! That's a great line.
Msg #37084 Dated 1:19:47 03-14-92 37064 <--> 37085
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Yes, I agree - I think you came up with a good exercise here! And it
did cause me to think it through. One thought I had was "if I didn't
pick some of the other stuff that is in my act; if I didn't think it
was strong enough to "sell" with, then why am I doing it?"
Personally, I'd like to see more discussion on this one.
Msg #37085 Dated 1:22:26 03-14-92 37072 <--> 37106
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Burton -
Please bring window into fifth dimension to DMS -- I GOTTA see this!
Msg #37086 Dated 1:24:25 03-14-92 37071 <--> 37185
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
No, I didn't see Goetner! Even though we were forewarned, I was
sitting and reading MAGIC! messages and before I knew it the Carson
show was long gone! I would have programmed a VCR, but all of 'em here
have lost their timers or other functions and can't be set in advance.
I GOTTA get a couple of new ones!
Msg #37087 Dated 1:25:54 03-14-92 37073 <--> 37112
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Yes, we did go through this discussion before. But it got started
again and I figured there might be some new thoughts in the pool. I
have a funny feeling that there are a few topics that will never really
get resolved and that will come up again and again. Who knows? Maybe
somewhere along the line someone will come up with a few new and good
suggestions.
Msg #37088 Dated 1:29:30 03-14-92 37077 <--> 37204
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Hey, Burton, getting anything into my closet _is_ magic! I buy one
more pair of green pants and the walls are gonna bulge.
Msg #37089 Dated 1:30:56 03-14-92 37081 <--> 37114
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Uh, Jerry - the probabilities are DIFFERENT for cards and coins. In
the coin flip you are "replacing" the heads into the selection pool.
In a game of Blackjack the cards get used up each time one is dealt.
So you are not trying to predict, you are trying to count -- if you saw
all the available aces go by, it would be a pretty good bet that there
ain't no mo.
Msg #37091 Dated 2:00:42 03-14-92 -> 37123
From: BRUCE GRAHAM
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFEILD
In New Zealand we will not be able to see David copperfields lastest
TV programme. Is it possible to purchase a copy? Where from? Thanks
Msg #37096 Dated 9:48:42 03-14-92 36781 <--> 37109
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VACATION
I won't be in Vegas, and no apologies necessary. I'm glad you had (too
much?) fun. Enjoy the DMS! Let me know what goes on there...
Msg #37097 Dated 9:53:06 03-14-92 -> 37129
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: MORE PUBLIC MESSAGES!
Ok, Dr. L wants more public messages! Here's one!
Upcoming events in the SF/Bay Area and thereabouts:
Steven Youell's Close-Up Chicanery, March 15th (tomorrow) at Fubar's in
Martinez. This is not an act, but a lecture/workshop for beginning thru
advanced magi. Don't know if it's filled up yet, but you could check...
$15 for the class, send checks to Jerry Moran, 30 Kingwood Rd, Oakland,
CA 94619 or with you to the class, but call Steve first! (510)
372-6144.
David Ginn's Comedy Magic Workshop, April 8th, at the Concord Hilton
Hotel (Remember PCAM '91?), only $5 for two hours of wonderful
lectture
]
OOPs!
The lecture is at 8:00. (by the way, Steve Youell's workshop is from
2:00 to about 5:00 pm)
Rick Allen's Wonde4rfulful World of Magic. Featuring Roy
Porfido. April 15th at 7:30 pm. At the Lincoln Theater vets home,
Yountville, CA.
Leave a message about any question you have concerning the above
events, and I'll get back to you next weekend (No messages about Steve,
since he's tomorrow...)
Msg #37099 Dated 11:31:39 03-14-92 -> 37131
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: ALL
Re: I'M BACK
I am sorry for being away for so long, but I had personal business to
attend to: a close friend was dying and I wanted to spend all my time
with him.
From the looks of it I am going to spend much of the week reading passt
messages. Never dull around here.
--Philip
Msg #37102 Dated 13:42:02 03-14-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: AIR FARES
MAGIC!-NL Thu 12 Mar 92 22:17
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Stacey,
Hi from Holland!!!
The fares you offer for Europe are probably only valid for trips
starting in the US???? Or can you also get us those nice prices
for roundtrips leaving from Europe??
Another interesting thing might be to look ahead to 1994 when
FISM is organized in Tokyo. I have serious pans to fly via the
US. What is the best deal you can get us for a return ticket
LAX-TOKYO???
Anyway with those cheap airfares to Europe I expect to see you
all soon here in Holland!!!! If so, do not forget to visit the
MAGIC!-NL computerfloor.
Thank you very dutch!!!
Arnaud
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
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Msg #37104 Dated 14:43:33 03-14-92 35672 <--> 37133
From: STEPHEN OSBORN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
What about the parking. Someone earlier in this thread seemed to
mention that members get a discount on parking.
Yes I am cheap. I have two kids in diapers.
Msg #37106 Dated 15:52:13 03-14-92 37072 <--> 37107
From: FRANK ZAK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Doesn't sound corny at all. That is if you are using a thumb tip or
pull. It's a strong effect. Will you be at the magic meeting Wed. night
at the Trop. Look for me if you will be there.
Msg #37107 Dated 15:54:32 03-14-92 37084 <--> 37113
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Some of the stuff in my act is only suitable for the conditions that I
perform in. This is not necessarily the situation that I sell myself
in.
Msg #37109 Dated 15:56:41 03-14-92 37096 <--> 37551
From: FRANK ZAK
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: VACATION
You got it. If you ever get to Vegas look me up.
Msg #37111 Dated 17:36:08 03-14-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HELLO FROM SAN DIEGO
Hello, Arnaud!
What a wonderful surprise! How are things in tulip-land? I wish
I could say that the wonderful fares were BOTH ways, but
unfortunately they are for all of us to come and see you! But I
will check on this further and find the BEST price for you from
this end. If there is a cheap fare out there I WILL find it.
However, many of the airlines have "Visit America Fares" (I know
Delta does) so you may want to check with your travel agent there
(and if you don't have a travel agent there, hang on, I'll be right
over!). I would LOVE to visit your country! 1994? Wow! You plan
AHEAD, don't you? Right now I can't even say what the fares will
be like in MAY of THIS year! I also, sadly enough, can't say which
AIRLINES will still be flying by 1994! The way things are going
now, we might have to go back to taking boats across the ocean!
Tell me more about you! How did you get into magic? I am being
nosy, I know, but I think this is wonderful to have someone to talk
to in far away places that we get to sit and dream about here.
Believe it or not, we ice skate in San Diego! We even have snow up
in the mountains and we drive up there and let the kids play and
build snowmen. Magic in San Diego is strong and we have a lot of
magicians here and good magic. You have to come and visit us!
Msg #37112 Dated 19:17:23 03-14-92 37087 <--> 37137
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Whew I thought I was losing it again. To re-iterate, I subscribe to
the Gene Burger school of thought that says, "If you are a magician
then you are always a magician and should always be ready to do a
little something." Last time I saw him he carries a few 'effects' in
his wallet, for just such occasions.
.
If someone introduces you at a party as a magician and they person
says I just love magic, please show me something - would a 'real'
magician say, "Sorry, I left my magic box at home." You aren't a
magician you are a guy with trick boxes and nothing more.
.
I'm not saying you have to do a whole show, but the image needs to be
consistent.
.
Of course it all boils down to a matter of personal taste in such
matters. I can certainly emphathize with Max's position as well.
Msg #37113 Dated 19:17:31 03-14-92 37106 <--> 37134
From: JERRY BURTON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I'll be there Weds eve for sure. Don't use a TT or pull, I actually
dematerialize the cig and push it into the fifth dimension. I'm
not sure what the beings over there think about cig butts suddenly
popping into their space. Could be an ecological crisis, I do it a
lot.
Msg #37114 Dated 19:17:34 03-14-92 37089 <--> 37119
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Counting cards is counting cards. If you can count them in front of
you can just as well count them behind you.
.
The point I was trying to make is that some people have the mistaken
impression that just because an event 'seems' to be pushing the
normal probability, that the counter event becomes more likely. In a
52 card deck if you see three aces come up and know there are 20 card
s left the probably the next card is an ace is 0.05, it has nothing
to do with the fact that the other three aces came up in the same
hand.
.
I know a lot of people like to sit at third base so they can get a
'feel' as to what the sequence of cards is, to help decide whether
to hit or not. They 'feel' if there are all high cards before them
then their card WILL be low.
.
It's like crap shooters who just 'know' that a 7 or craps will come
up if the shooter throws one of the dice off the table.
Msg #37115 Dated 19:20:19 03-14-92
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: ALLENTOWN,PA
Can anyone give me info regarding the conference that will be held
in Allentown in April? I am particularly interested in the
competition............Thanks........CDP
Msg #37119 Dated 19:58:08 03-14-92 37114 <--> 37138
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Sorry, but your comments are simply wrong. You are trying to
superimpose the classic Roulette Paradox onto the game of Blackjack,
and it just doesn't work. Regarding card-counting you claim that "you
can count them in front of you can just as well count them behind you."
But that's not how the game works; you see, you have to make your
betting decisions in the order in which the players are seated. So,
counting the cards that are revealed after you've made your play is not
going to help you on that hand. On the _next_ hand it will be of help,
but the advantage is less likely to be useful.
The simple reality is that the more information (i.e., revealed cards)
you have immediately preceding your bet/play decisions, the more use
you'll get out of it. Determinations such as deciding whether to split
or double down (which can make a major difference in financial outcome)
will be better informed for the player on third base.
Msg #37121 Dated 20:34:35 03-14-92 -> 37141
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: STORIES
My BEST airline/magic story:
A magician friend of mine worked for USAir Cargo in Newark. Every
December a tight fisted widow lady named Mrs. Mudge would fly from
Newark to Tampa with her Shih Tzu, Fluffy. Fluffy was her pride
and joy and when she delivered him to my friend, Mark, she insisted
that Fluffy have his special sweater, etc., etc. She also insisted
that before the flight Mark do magic tricks for Fluffy, as it
seemed to calm him down. Mark obliged, since it gave him a chance
to practice at work.
Well, one winter's day, while in Tampa, Fluffy up and died. Mrs.
Mudge couldn't bear to leave her precious in Tampa, as she wanted
him buried near the house he was born in in Newark. So she put him
in his little sweater, put him in the carrier and sent him back to
Newark. When the plane arrived, Mark unloaded and was horrified!
Fluffy was dead! He quickly got the other Cargo agents together
(who also knew Mrs. Mudge and her reputation) and they took up a
collection. They dashed to the pet shop and found a dog identical
to Fluffy and stuffed it in the cage AFTER they had put Fluffy's
sweater on the new dog. Mrs. Mudge marched in and demanded
Fluffy's carrier. Mark handed it to her and she went bananas.
"This is NOT my dog!" she screamed at Mark. Mark tried to appease
her. "Of course it is Mrs. Mudge! Look how happy he is! I even
did some magic for him before you came!" Mrs. Mudge glared at him.
"The you must be one HELL of a magician!" she snapped. "Because he
was dead when he left Tampa and now's he's alive in Newark!"
Msg #37122 Dated 20:38:38 03-14-92 37062 <-
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VACATION
If you had to listen to some of these people, you'd tell them "where to
go" too!
Msg #37123 Dated 20:39:17 03-14-92 37091 <-
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BRUCE GRAHAM
Re: DAVID COPPERFEILD
I'll be happy to send you a copy if you'll leave your name and address
in a private message. I also have specials 4-13 if you'd like those as
well.
Msg #37124 Dated 20:42:19 03-14-92 -> 37164
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: RED DOG
Does anyone know the rules of a casino game called Red Dog? I am not
much of a gambler, but someone said I should try this game while in
Vegas. Anybody?
Msg #37125 Dated 20:44:11 03-14-92 -> 37142
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: DR. DOOM
I was given a book entitled "Traps Magicians Fall Into" and the book
has no author except for the ominous sounding name "Dr. Doom". The
book is signed on the front by Billy McCombs (well, I KNOW who he is!)
but who is Dr. Doom? I LOVE this book and want to know if there are
others.
Msg #37129 Dated 23:43:45 03-14-92 37097 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MORE PUBLIC MESSAGES!
Great! Thanks for posting the list of Northern California activities.
Msg #37131 Dated 23:49:42 03-14-92 37099 <--> 37166
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Glad to see you back, Philip! Sorry to hear about the reason you were
away, the death of someone close is never easy.
Yes, you probably have more than a few messages to catch up with! As
a general rule, I always suggest that someone get back into the
mainstream of the current conversations, by reading the last hundred
messages or so, and then go back and read the older messages.
How do you determine where to start the last hundred and how do you
start there?
o Look at the "Highest Message" number when you sign on.
o Note it down
o At the Main Menu, type R;nnnnn+ (The letter R followed by a
semi-colon [;] followed by a number [in this case the number that
is 100 less than the highest number] followed by a plus [+] sign.)
o Press the ENTER key.
That same trick allows you to start at ANY message number and read up
to the current highest message number. If you "capture" messages to
read off-line, you can do the same thing with RC;nnnnn .
Msg #37133 Dated 23:58:12 03-14-92 37104 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Members currently pay $ 2 for parking, guests pay $ 3.50. The cost of
diapers is not included in any of the fees.
Msg #37134 Dated 23:59:25 03-14-92 37107 <--> 37161
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
An excellent point, Frank, and one I hadn't really considered since
most of my act is "straightforward" close-up and therefore could be
used, I think, for a sales close.
My problem has always been getting in front of more people to close
sales to!
Msg #37137 Dated 0:03:25 03-15-92 37112 <--> 37172
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I agree about the concept that if you have to say "Sorry, I left my
magic box at home" then you aren't a mage, you are a guy with trick
boxes. But you certainly have the right to decline performing if you
wish - you just need a better, more reasonable excuse.
Of course, you could pull 200 packet tricks out of your pocket, thereby
assuring yourself that the question will never come up again!
Msg #37138 Dated 0:06:45 03-15-92 37114 <--> 37190
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
I believe you are refering to the "Gambler's Fallacy." But in the case
of the card couting, what you are trying to establish _is_ that there
is only one ace left in the 20 cards, so it has _everything_ to do with
the fact that the other three aces came up in the same hand (or in
successive hands in multiple deck games).
Since we are assuming that any ace will do, you are quite right that
the chances of the next card being an ace (if there is only one ace in
the twenty cards left) is 1-in-20. But if there are _two_ aces left it
is 2-in-20, three aces it is 3-in-20.
So it isn't at all like the crap shooters who "know" about the 7 or
craps - dice rolling includes replacement just like coin tossing does;
dealing out a sequence of cards _does_ _not_ include replacement.
Msg #37141 Dated 0:15:32 03-15-92 37121 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STORIES
I've heard some variations on that story, but it is priceless! Thanks!
Msg #37142 Dated 0:17:04 03-15-92 37125 <--> 37153
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DR. DOOM
The title "Traps Magicians Fall Into" sounds _very_ interesting. It is
a book I am not familiar with and I'd like to hear more about what it
is.
A mage named John L. Clifton, who I don't know much about, did use the
name "Dr. Doom" and he authored two rather short books, "Theater of
Blood" and "Call the Doctor!" so maybe he is the same dude.
Msg #37148 Dated 4:53:00 03-15-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: BRUCE GRAHAM
Re: DAVID COPPERFEILD
MAGIC!-NL Sun 15 Mar 92 00:41
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Bruce,
Whow what a message...from Velserboek, Holland to Los Angeles, US
and than down to New Zealand.......
About your query on the coming DC show, I also have to rely on a
(yet to find) American source for his new show.
Reason for writing this message is to check if you are interested
to exchange some local (New Zeland/Australian) Magic TV shows for
some TV shows from my collection (400+ tapes from all over the
world). In the files area I have a list with my tapes, or else
inform me about your wishes and I will check if I can fulfill
them.
Regards,
Arnaud
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
---
Msg #37150 Dated 4:53:35 03-15-92 -> 37154
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: WASHINGTON DC AREA
MAGIC!-NL Sun 15 Mar 92 00:47
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Probably next month I am over in the Washtington DC area for
business purposes. I expect to be there for ca. 5 days. During my
last visits I did not come further than Al's Magic Shop. My
question is if I missed anything and if the DC magic scene is
more than Al's only....???
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
---
Msg #37152 Dated 7:05:19 03-15-92 -> 37194
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BJ
Sit at third base (last seat on dealers right). Watch the cards.
there are 16 ten value cards on a 48 card deck (aces out) so you
will get a ten one out of every three cards. Besides getting 21,
two tens is perfect hand unless dealer is showing a ten (oh
well). Keep an idea of how many low cards as opposed to high
cards have been played, plus keep track of the aces on the side
if you can. A knowledge of the ratio of fives to the undealt
cards is also useful. Remember that it's a game and games are to
be won - try to keep money out of it (your mind)! Unless you have
caught a peek, count the dealer's hole card as ten. When the
ratio of tens to low cards gets high, double or triple the value
of your bet. Learn basic strategy concerning when and when not to
take a hit. Blackjack is similar to magic to many ways, but
blackjack players are a little tighter lipped about things, and
poker players (the good ones) won't tip a dawgon thing. If the
dealer is too fast, pushy, rude, etc, etc, push out a big bet
with a big side bet for the dealer (most don't toke over a
buck - put 35 or 40 dollars out). This gets them emotionally
involved with YOUR game. Play THE dealer. It is better to play
with experienced (winning) players than at a table with
blackjackilumpin. If blackjackilumpin (Herman and Henrietta)
come to your table, sit down, hit a 19 and get a 2; do not
stand up and scream at them. Leave quietly and find another
table (or casino). Best time to play is when the joint is
jumpin as you can avoid heat as an advanced player. Yow!!!
I will be missing you guys soooooo much. Well, it is the
spin of the wheel and the turn of a card that brought me here
to learn.
Msg #37153 Dated 8:37:00 03-15-92 37142 <--> 37159
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DR. DOOM
This is just a little paperback book, about 50 pages, no more. But it
has to be THE funniest and truest book on magic I have EVER read. It
has a section "How to read a magic catalogue" that is priceless and
gives translations of typical catalogue terms such as "Comes complete
with it's own transparent carrying case" - (wrapped in a baggie) or
"inexpensive" - cheap crap. "Exotic Oriental Motif" - spray painted in
red and gold with stencil. The one I liked best is "As performed by
David Copperfield" - except that he has $10,000 worth of high tech
equipment and you're trying to do it with a piece of string. The book
also has some great "saves" and tells some great stories about
performance "disasters" and how to build your OWN routine without
"borrowing" the routines of others. Every time I want to laugh, I open
this book and soon I am rolling on the floor. I'll bring it to DMS if
you like,
Msg #37154 Dated 8:46:26 03-15-92 37150 <--> 37156
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: WASHINGTON DC AREA
Hi, Stacey here again! There is another magic shop located close to
Al's called Magic Masters. It's in the Shops at National Center, next
to the National Theater on Pennsylvania Ave. I never cared for it too
much, prefering Al's. HOWEVER, there is the Collector's Workshop In
Middleburg, VA, which, I realize, isn't exactly next door to DC (it's
about 50 miles from DC) but IF, and I do say IF they will let you visit
it owuld be well worth the trip. Another person to contact would be
Ken Norris of the Magician's Video Network. You can write to him at
3702 Chandler Dr., Ft. Washington, MD 20744. You can also ask him
about Collector's Workshop as he is closely tied with them. I have not
lived in the DC area for 3 years, so if I missed anybody, a thousand
pardons! This is just what I remember from my DC days!
Msg #37156 Dated 9:01:47 03-15-92 37150 <--> 37193
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: WASHINGTON DC AREA
TO: Arnaud VanRietschoten
VIA: MAGIC-NL
Arnaud -
Some day you really must find a way to take an extra couple of days and
come out to California. You would be a very honored guest here at
MAGIC! World Headquarters.
Msg #37159 Dated 9:18:17 03-15-92 37153 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DR. DOOM
Yes, please bring the book to DMS, I'd like to see it. Is it
relatively current? Or is it something obscure and hard to find?
Msg #37161 Dated 10:41:58 03-15-92 37113 <--> 37162
From: FRANK ZAK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
If you dont use TT or pull, this I have to see.^o}P. Look for me wed.
Msg #37162 Dated 10:42:59 03-15-92 37134 <--> 37165
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I can relate. I live in a city with conventions every week of the year.
I haven't figured out how to break into the market on a steady basis.
I have three good agents who seem to find me sporadic work.
Are you going to have a mini-seminar for BBS user this year. If I'm
not mistaken you had one last year. Look me up at the DMS I'll be
handling the security for the lectures and shows.
Msg #37164 Dated 10:45:58 03-15-92 37124 <--> 37174
From: FRANK ZAK
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RED DOG
You dont want to play. It's a game for suckers. I think that the house
percentage is approx. 62%. The game is Acey-Duecy. Vegas just calls it
red dog.
Msg #37165 Dated 10:48:27 03-15-92 37162 <--> 37171
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I suspect that even though the conventions are held in L.V., the
arrangements and bookings are made far in advance. There are some good
books on getting convention work. The Convention Bureau maintains a
list of which conventions are coming to town and who the sponsoring
agency is. From that list you can contact the sponsors and get lists
of exhibitors. From that list you can contact the marketing directors.
YES! There _IS_ going to be a MAGIC! Session at DMS this year. It is
scheduled for FRIDAY at 5 P.M. - I'll be looking for you!
Msg #37166 Dated 12:13:28 03-15-92 37131 <--> 37167
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Ahhh, Bless you! I've wondered for a year if that could be done. You've
made my task much lighter.
:-)
Philip
Msg #37167 Dated 14:19:37 03-15-92 37166 <--> 37191
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Glad my suggestion was of help. Using R;nnnnn+ with a specific
message number and a plus sign allows you to start reading from
anywhere in the active message base. And if you do "captures,"
RC;nnnnn allows you to do the same thing in capture mode.
Msg #37169 Dated 14:45:44 03-15-92 37047 <--> 37214
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Pete,
How does one get the "real working" with pro gamblers? How does
one FIND pro gamblers? This is a subject that has always
facinated me.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37171 Dated 14:46:00 03-15-92 37067 <--> 37188
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Frank,
For close-up, the only gaffed item I carry with me is scotch and
soda. I would probably use that with a coin penetration for a
non-magician.
For stage, I've been working on a sword through neck mini-play
with my wife. It involves (all without speech) me getting into a
jealous rage, sneaking up on her with a sword, and plunging it
through her neck. (No collar.) I then run a sword through
myself, realize I've made a terrible mistake, and magically
restore both of us to health.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37172 Dated 14:46:10 03-15-92 37075 <--> 37175
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Great line Jerry!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37174 Dated 14:46:27 03-15-92 37124 <--> 38202
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RED DOG
Stacey,
The game that I learned that was called "Red dog" was very
similar to another game I learned called "Acey-Deucy." I have
seen different games for both names, but will describe what I've
seen.
The dealer turns up two cards. The player makes wagers as to
whether the third cards value will fall between the dealer's
first two cards. If the deal has a 10 and a 6 and the third card
is a 7 then the player wins. This is HORRIBLY over-simplified,
as there are different odds depending on the values of the cards.
This is NOT a game I would recommend to a novice. Always
remember, NEVER bet with money you can't afford to lose.
I have heard several people who are non-gamblers talk about
enjoying Pai-gow poker. They like the fact that they can play
for a long time without losing a lot. This notion bothers me, as
there is no way to swing the odds in the favor of the player.
But games where you can swing the odds, require a LOT of work and
dedication. It has been a long time since I've lost at
blackjack, or horseracing. I'm working on a little computer ala
"The Eudamonic Pie." I'd sure enjoy some feedback from others
who have seen this method tried.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37175 Dated 14:46:41 03-15-92 37137 <--> 37178
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I took my brother to the Castle a week ago for Brunch for his
birthday.
While we were between shows, I was entertaining them in an out of
the way corner.
I had done the floating bill, and was doing a routine that, as
far as I know, I invented. It involves borrowing a quarter,
bending it in front of their eyes, and returning a bent quarter
for them to take home.
Obviously, this involves some gaffs. I had two, so I did it, one
of the members of our party said "Do that again." So I did, and
it amazed her.
Then this sweet, cute little girl (about 6) came up with a
quarter saying, "can you bend this." I felt HORRIBLE.
"I'm sorry," I had to say, "I'm all out of magic." ARGH!!!!(tm
Biro)
Any suggestions as to what might have been a better out? I did
do a coin vanishing, but it wasn't the same thing.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37176 Dated 16:32:48 03-15-92 -> 37179
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: AWARDS
If you watch the People's Choice Awards, look for me and wave.
We're going , but I'm really not looking forward to it, but my wife is,
and that's what counts.
In the past, when my daughter was doing the show, we had VIP parking,
treatment, and seating. This time her friend who is doing the show
invited us, but without all the VIP 's.
Means we have to get there early, park way away and stand in line.
Also may not have a table, probably won't. But to keep peace in the
family, I'll go.
You know the way my wife thinks, says you already have a tux, so why
not.
Maybe she's right. But I hate the traffic and the lines.But the food
is good and get to see lots of pretty people (men and women).
Was thinking of taking and holding up a jumbo card, but thought better
of it.
Msg #37177 Dated 16:50:15 03-15-92 36902 <-
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RACE CARS
Pete...
I was at the Long Beach IBM convention and saw that illusion, it was a
little kiddie car that was peddled up a ramp and it was levitated after
Doug placed the fill hose from a gas pump in the little car. It was
also featured in one of his specials and I saw it again later the same
year as the Long Beach IBM ('85?) when Doug played the Terrace Theatre
(where all the IBM shows were held) in November of that year in his
last tour. The car that Stacey describes sounds like one of the mock
formula one racers that are used by an amusement company called Malibu
Grand Prix (their home base is in Woodland Hills). These little cars
are fairly quick and are supposed to react much like real formula one
racers since they are used to race against a clock in a mini ffrand
prix type course. (Above ffrand should read "grand").
.
My suggestion for the levitation was mearly a satirical remark (smurk,
smurk) as I already knew of the Henning levitation as well as
Copperfield's Ferrari feat. The again it could be used in a myriad of
ways like driving it up through the audience (aisle) to the stage,
loading it onto a cargo net illusion, hoisting far above the audience
or stage and then in a hail of sparks and fireworks it disappears from
sit and whala! it reappears in the back of the auditorium, suspendend
on the top of a small platform ringed with lights...
.
What? Copperfield's done that with a motorcycle and Henning before him?
Oh, well, guess that it can't be done again...or can it? Maybe David
will tackle something the Doug hasn't done yet...
.
Tony (aka Gasso the Pit Boy)
Msg #37178 Dated 17:30:10 03-15-92 37175 <--> 37181
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
ARGH! (tm - Biro) is right! Wiser heads than I will have to make some
suggestions here. But in general I know that at the Castle if you
start working you'd better assume that a crowd will form, so I usually
don't do anything like that (where a souvenier or complex reset is
required) I can't repeat. Same goes for resturants, etc. I got
caught bad once - Nathan's school had a Father's Day picnic and I'd
figured there were going to be about 15 kids there (I thought it was
only for his class and one other). So I brought about 45 balloons. I
started doing a few animals and suddenly the rest of the kids arrived!
Eventually I ran out of balloons and had some disappointed kids. Like
you said, "ARGH! (tm - Biro)!"
Msg #37179 Dated 17:36:50 03-15-92 37176 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: AWARDS
Well, well, a chance to see Marvin in a rare television appearance! As
long as you don't find out that you need a girdle to get into the tux
you will be OK.
Msg #37181 Dated 18:33:12 03-15-92 37175 <--> 37183
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I guess, "Go away kid, you bother me," was out of the question.
--Philip (W.C.) Hopbell
Msg #37182 Dated 19:02:05 03-15-92 36951 <--> 37266
From: CY KELLER
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
OK Jim - don't have your address handy. Please post.
Msg #37183 Dated 19:02:10 03-15-92 36967 <--> 37184
From: CY KELLER
To: SCOTT MILLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Someone with supernatural powers do an eat anything act? I doubt
it. I don't want to entertain anyone who would think I had
supernatural powers. Oh, maybe if I did mentalism. But nothing
else. I hope they think I have skills that I have developed that
makes it look like I can do magical things. Have never though
that "skill and sleight of hand" were bad as answers to "how'd he
do that?"
.
People who enjoy the act you've described I'm sure enjoy watching
slasher movies, and slow down to see the result of a traffic
accident. I don't want to appeal to this aberation in people's
desires. This is a different thing than appealing to their sense
of wonder.
.
Doing stage magic is NOT the proper answer to a request for
magic.
Msg #37184 Dated 19:02:31 03-15-92 36970 <--> 37189
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I don't know what it is that makes people think a magicain would
display his craft for free. They would not ask this of a singer,
dancer, etc. It's their problem. Take this up with Miss Manners.
Msg #37185 Dated 19:02:39 03-15-92 37071 <--> 37206
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
Goetner may not have the perfect move on the TT Bill Switch but
he performs this about 24 times a day at trade shows. Maybe
presentation is worth more than perfect technique.
Msg #37186 Dated 19:02:46 03-15-92 37078 <--> 37209
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GENII
The best thing Goertner did was the cards with the names on the
back. Why? He personalized it. All the women's names included
Johnny's ex wives and the chosen was the only male with Johnny on
it. Great thinking about adapting a trick. This and the hour
glass trick were great one time effects - not likely to be
stolen. Very smart.
Msg #37188 Dated 19:03:07 03-15-92 37107 <--> 37195
From: CY KELLER
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
You don't have to do anything for someone booking you. The best
way is for them to see you do your show. This is the usual method
of letting a booker know what you do.
Msg #37189 Dated 19:03:14 03-15-92 37112 <--> 37197
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Can't agree with Berger. Agree with Max. The more paid shows you
have, the less you feel the need to entrtain impromptu. I had a
paid show tonight and therefore when I was asked earlier in the
day to do something for people I'd entertained before, I just
didn't do any. They understood, that I don't perform at the drop
of a hat.
Msg #37190 Dated 19:03:25 03-15-92 37119 <--> 37192
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Max - thanks for putting it so well. Jerry just doesn't seem to
understand the difference. I hope your comments help him.
Msg #37191 Dated 19:03:31 03-15-92 37131 <--> 37224
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Thanks for the imformation. Now if I can find out how to send a
message and make it personal. Or to answer a personal message and
make it to all, or change the name of a thread.
Msg #37192 Dated 19:03:38 03-15-92 37138 <--> 37211
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Good answer. Can't decide whether your answer is better than
Max's.
Msg #37193 Dated 19:03:44 03-15-92 37150 <--> 37669
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: WASHINGTON DC AREA
Al's Magic Shop is the best place to start. They should know
everything that's going on. There is Barry's Magic Shop. Has some
things that are of past years. Al of course does too. You should
hit both. John Ekin does a great kid show at Burn Brae Dinner
Theater. You could find if he's performing.
Msg #37194 Dated 19:03:54 03-15-92 37152 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BJ
Wow - this added to Max and David is maybe more than I wanted to
know about Black Jack. It sounds like the real work outside of
the ability to count cards.
Msg #37195 Dated 19:04:01 03-15-92 37165 <--> 37196
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Very good advice. I would suggest Dick Ryan's books. Very good
stuff. Also a nice guy who will help those who have his three
books. Tell him I sent you.
Msg #37196 Dated 19:04:08 03-15-92 37171 <--> 37205
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Have never understood the appeal of Scotch and Soda. It is a
stupid trick. Clever, but stupid. MAybe you have a great
presentation. Copper Silver Brass is superior, or a good Copper
Silver Transposition.
Msg #37197 Dated 19:04:17 03-15-92 37178 <--> 37207
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
OK guys. NEVER do a trick that uses a give-away except for a
audience of ONE. Quite simple rule!!
Msg #37203 Dated 19:54:25 03-15-92 -> 37226
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: RACE CARS
Sold the car this morning, so our hopes of a team are gone. Poor super
pig will have to remain an only piglet. I DID manage to get in a few
rides before selling it and now I ache in every bone in my body (I
rolled when I cut a corner a litle too close and bounced around a lot.
Nothing serious, just a few scrapes, but OW! Didn't hurt the car at
all, just the dumb broad driving it!). I am now going to disappear in
a sea of bubbles with Eugene Burger. Wait, that didn't sound right.
What I MEANT was one of my favorite pastimes is reading the works of
Eugene Burger while submerged in a bubble bath. I am NOT taking a bath
with Eugene Burger! (unless we both happen to be at a party for a high
ranking Japanese diplomat and protocol calls for us to all jump in the
community bath, but this has about the same probability as the sun
exploding tomorrow!).
Msg #37204 Dated 20:12:02 03-15-92 37042 <--> 37227
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES
What Closet? Duh... Privacy is a trick.
Msg #37205 Dated 20:12:05 03-15-92 37067 <--> 37217
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
The great acts have taken Years and Years of Polishing to get good.
Msg #37206 Dated 20:12:08 03-15-92 37071 <--> 37235
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
What makes you think he was using a thumb tip? Gertner, that is.
Msg #37207 Dated 20:12:11 03-15-92 37074 <--> 37208
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
It will be announced at the coming Seminar. Joe is in Vegas as
I type.. I just got home from there...
Msg #37208 Dated 20:12:15 03-15-92 37075 <--> 37213
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I love the root canal line...
Msg #37209 Dated 20:12:18 03-15-92 37078 <--> 37236
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GENII
I feel Gertner's technique... to they Laymen and Johnny C. was very
good... wish he was a stronger performer (character/personality-
wise)...
Msg #37210 Dated 20:12:23 03-15-92 37079 <--> 37237
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HELP!
FLASH... BOO HISS FOOOEY... I DIDN'T TAPE IT... BUT MY NAME WAS
ON SIXTY MINUTES TONIGHT...
.
They did Major Interview piece with TIME cover personality Jay Leno.
One segment was Jay in dressing room at the Comedy and Magic Club,
in Hermosa Beach... and he was sitting right in front of the place
on the wall the acts all put their names... YES... RIGHT IN FRONT
(JUST OVER HIS SHOULDER)... the name "The Amazing Peter (Biro)"
Argh... no record... you must believe me... wonder when the re run
will be aired? ARgh... argh...
Msg #37211 Dated 20:12:34 03-15-92 37081 <--> 37223
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Then you need to work a deal with the dealer. Sit at First base so
dealer can flash you the cards so you can decide to take or not
take a hit.
.
Am working on some very potent Black Jack material. Spent all day
today with a major crooked dealer!
Msg #37213 Dated 20:12:46 03-15-92 37137 <--> 37218
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
In some cases I say that I do thing with White Tigers and can't
work without 'em, just like Seigfried and Roy...
Msg #37214 Dated 20:12:50 03-15-92 37169 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Am learning half a lecture that a Pro (retired) Crossroader is
preparing to tour with... I will be the "agent". Stay tuned.
Msg #37216 Dated 20:12:57 03-15-92 -> 37229
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: PERSONAL
Ee;37191
TO MAKE PERSONAL WITH IMP! USE "E" INSTEAD OF "R" and follow the
Menu (only 3 lines)... changes header too.
Msg #37217 Dated 20:13:03 03-15-92 37196 <--> 37222
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I like the original Conrad Haden routine with the Ken Brooke "Chnese
Bit" coing (Joe Stevens JUST had this re-issued and I wrote up
revised Ken Brooke Instructions).
Msg #37218 Dated 20:13:07 03-15-92 37197 <--> 37219
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Charlie Miller, one Brunch Day at the Castle, doing the Misers
Dream with real 50-cent pieces gave one to a kid, then the rest
hollered and wanted coins... Poor Charlie ended up producing all
his coins and giving them ALL TO THE KIDS... ARgh!
Msg #37219 Dated 20:19:23 03-15-92 37184 <--> 37220
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I'm not so certain that they wouldn't ask it of a singer or a dancer,
at least in an informal setting. Who knows, maybe Madonna is asked to
sing at family get-togethers?
Msg #37220 Dated 20:21:07 03-15-92 37197 <--> 37221
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Agreed! Unless you have two give-aways and an audience of two!
Msg #37221 Dated 20:21:51 03-15-92 37213 <--> 37234
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Nah, if you tell 'em you can only work with trick tigers, its the same
as being just a guy with trick boxes. Besides, they could always hand
you the family's white cat and ask you to do it in close-up.
Msg #37222 Dated 20:24:54 03-15-92 37195 <--> 37233
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Thanks for the recommendation of Dick Ryan's books, Cy, along with the
recommendation of Dick Ryan. That too is a very good suggestion.
Msg #37223 Dated 20:30:00 03-15-92 37192 <--> 37231
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
I felt that my answer supplemented Max's.
Msg #37224 Dated 20:30:45 03-15-92 37191 <--> 37295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: I'M BACK
1) When you enter a new message from the Main Menu (not a reply
or an append) you are given the choice to make it "private" or
not - so that is "automatic" if you select Y (Yes) for private.
2) There is a way to change a message from private to public and
to switch the address to "All" and to change the name of the
existing thread, but it tends to make things complex. The best
way to make those sorts of fairly significant changes is to
start a new thread by using Enter from the Main Menu.
Msg #37226 Dated 20:41:46 03-15-92 37203 <--> 37414
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RACE CARS
Most magi prefer reading Fin Jon while taking a bubble bath.
Msg #37227 Dated 20:42:16 03-15-92 37204 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Thanks for the "straight line" ("Privacy is a trick") -- in our society
privacy is not a trick, it is an illusion! Courts have even said that
your garbage is "public domain."
Msg #37229 Dated 20:55:18 03-15-92 37216 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: PERSONAL
Pete's method, using IMP!'s "E" for ENTER instead of "R" for Reply is
a perfect way to change who a message is to, to move it from public to
private or the other way around, or to change the header. Enter in
IMP! is the same as ENTER from the MAGIC! Main Menu. (By the way, lest
anyone get confused -- the "E" on the small menu that appears between
reading messages is _NOT_ the same thing! -- ENTER only works from the
menu labeled "MAIN MENU.").
Msg #37231 Dated 0:28:01 03-16-92 37119 <--> 37232
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
OK Max I can buy the fact that it may be easier to keep a running
count and make decisions at third base. But I can't see why it can't
be done from any position. The decision point is always what do when
it is your turn to take a card. All the other cards merely change
the probabilities as they fall.
.
I'm not sure what you mean by the 'classic Roulette Paradox', perhaps
you could enlighten me.
Msg #37232 Dated 0:28:06 03-16-92 37138 <--> 37238
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
David it has nothing to do with replacement. The only difference with
replacement is that the probabilities don't change, whereas without
replacement they do.
.
Run the following experiment. Deal cards until there is only one ace
left in the deck. What is the probability that the NEXT card is the
4th ace ?
.
Quite simply it is 1 divided by the number of cards remaining !
.
My point is that when people see a run of cards (either high or low)
they mistakenly change their expectation concerning the NEXT card to
come up. It is in that context that I liken it to the 'Gamblers
Fallacy', i.e. the gambler uses a sequence of events to establish
a probabilty that does not agree with the true probability.
.
If you don't agree with the mathematics of probability, then
I have some games I'd sure like to play with you.
Msg #37233 Dated 0:28:15 03-16-92 37171 <--> 37242
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Why ? Why ? Why ? Why would you think that sneaking up behind
someone and plunging a sword through their neck and then yourself
could be entertaining ?? Please try something else.
Msg #37234 Dated 0:28:17 03-16-92 37137 <--> 37243
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
It's like the Damon Runyan line, "A guy asked me if I liked card
tricks, I said NO, so he only showed me 10".
Msg #37235 Dated 0:31:28 03-16-92 37206 <--> 37244
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
There's a tell-tale extra long movement of the thumb behind the bill
when the bill is loaded into the TT. If he was doing a switch the
long move isn't necessary, you hold the $ 20 behind the $ 100.
Msg #37236 Dated 0:31:31 03-16-92 37209 <--> 37294
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENII
Gertner's technique was fine for the intended audience, I just
notice those things.
Msg #37237 Dated 0:31:33 03-16-92 37210 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP!
I watched that and saw the wall. Sorry I was looking at Leno.
Msg #37238 Dated 0:31:34 03-16-92 37211 <--> 37241
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
When I used to play blackjack I always sat at 1st base. And on a new
deal I would place my bet and one or two for dealer as well WHILE he
was shuffling the cards.
.
It's amazing how many times I hit blackjack on the 1st hand of the
deal, coincidence ?? Naaaahh !
Msg #37241 Dated 1:19:42 03-16-92 37232 <--> 37246
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Jerry -
I have a high regard for the mathematics of probability! And I think
I know my way around the "number crunching" a bit - remember, I helped
produce the World's first X-rated educational video, based on Campbell
and Stanley's "Experimental and Quasi-experimental Designs for
Research."
The problem here is that you are seeing the probability of a single
event, you still aren't paying attention to what is happening in the
card counting. In fact, if I saw a run of high cards, one so large
that I could determine that they were all gone from the deck, it would
indeed "change my expectation concerning the NEXT card," and that would
have nothing to do with "a sequence of events to establish a
probability that does not agree with the true probability," it would
have _everything_ to do with the true probability! Every time an ace
goes by without the deck(s) being shuffled, it decreases my probability
of getting one, and, as Max said, the more information I've got, the
better off I am.
Msg #37242 Dated 1:28:02 03-16-92 37233 <--> 37259
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Hmmm... Usually, Jerry and I see things a lot alike -- but I rather
like your sword scenario!
Msg #37243 Dated 1:29:13 03-16-92 37234 <--> 37254
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Yep! Maybe the best way to avoid impromptu requests is that, when
asked, you perform a series of really horrible card tricks! Nah, might
reflect on the real reputation!
One thing I always like is the way you change the format of things -
your card tricks never look like card tricks - especially when you make
me hold a crystal up to my forehead.
Personally, I find impromptu requests to perform to be a form of
flattery. But I also like to retain the right to decline.
Msg #37244 Dated 1:32:54 03-16-92 37235 <--> 37252
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
On the other hand (pardon the pun) there is an openness to the gestures
with the TT method that cannot be obtained with the non-TT method. And
since everyone assumes that you switched bills, it is that openness
which is the only reasonable convincer.
Msg #37245 Dated 1:18:13 03-16-92 36701 <-
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: AUCTION
Here are some of the stats that we have at this point...the final
figures are not in yet but these are real close to the finals --
This years Ring 60 Magic Auction sold $21,000 in magic, with 53
registered sellers. There were over 2075 items sold (many of the
items were multiple props in same package, so individaul count would be
a lot higher than that). We issued 189 Buyer Tags, and had approx.
250 people attending the auction. Over 42 members of Ring 60 spend
most of the day (actually nearly everyone worked both Friday and
Saturday) in conducting the auction. We had registrants from Oklahoma,
North Carolina, Indiana, Kentucky, Colorado, Louisiana as well as
Texas. Illusions included in the separate illusion auction ranged from
Doll Houses, Floating Princess's, Girl in Drum, Sub-trunks, even a
large portable stage. Collectors items included genuine Himber ring,
Merv Taylor Card Sword and Bird Cage, many Rice silks and this year we
had over 60 video tapes and hundreds of books. We had the post-auction
meeting this past Wednesday night, and have already started working for
next year's Auction (so plan on being in Austin, Texas, the last
Saturday in February next year!!)
One interesting side comment -- as Club Pres this year I got the job
of handling any "problems" or "complaints"... and at this point some 2
weeks after the auction we have only had one complaint (at least that
has been made known to us) about an item that was purchased not being
as it was represented to be...and the Seller is refunding the purchase
price in full to the Buyer!
Msg #37246 Dated 1:48:25 03-16-92 37232 <--> 37248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
By the way, Scarne (Scarne's Complete Guide To Gambling, New York:
Simon and Schuster, 1961) wrote:
"You can't remember all the exposed cards delt to a full table of
players. One reason is that in most casinos the first two cards to
each player are delt face down. Also, the dealer scoops up the
completed hands so fast that there is hardly enough time to spot their
value, let alone memorize them. The card caser minimizes these factors
by playing, whenever possible, at a table that has only a few players,
and, better yet, at one where he is the only player. He prefers _third_
_base_ [italics Scarne's], the seat at the dealer's extreme right, as
his base of operations because this is the best vantage point for
keeping track of the exposed cards."
Msg #37248 Dated 2:15:33 03-16-92 37231 <--> 37258
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
The Roulette Paradox is the very idea you're promoting, that the ball
has no memory, and previous spins do not affect the next one.
The Blackjack situation is decidedly different. Let me try to explain
it to you one more time. Say you're sitting at a table with five other
players, and you are at first base. The dealer gives out two cards to
each player, and two to him/herself, one of which you can't see. At
this moment you can view a total of thirteen cards. It's your turn to
play, so you make use of thirteen cards' worth of information to decide
about hitting, standing, splitting, doubling, or in some cases
surrender.
Now, imagine that you're sitting at third base. Before you make any
decisions the five other players play their hands. Let's say that
several of them take one or more hits, thus revealing about half a
dozen more cards. Thus, by the time it is your turn to play you can
view a total of twenty cards; probably more. You therefore have that
much more information to work with at the moment you play your hand.
Now imagine the same game in a casino where the initial two cards to
each player are dealt face-down. In this case, at first base you'd be
making your decisions based on knowing three cards, as opposed to the
twenty-plus at third base.
Bear in mind, this means very little if you are not counting. Too, the
location you're in will not affect the information used to determine
the size of your next bet, as that is not done until the entire table
has played. But in the specific case of using counting information to
decide how to play a hand there _is_ value in sitting at third base.
Get it?
Msg #37250 Dated 7:29:11 03-16-92 37011 <--> 37261
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
That is a most interesting thought on the starter magic books for
libraries and the like. However, libraries currently seem to have
such books in abundance. At least in the Northern Virginia area.
The ice cream I had as a kid was home made also, however, I used to
have to help turn the crank. We only made it on special events. The
box top premiums were a separate endeavor from the magic. Sky King,
the Green Hornet, and the Lone Ranger were the biggies. I still have
a decoder ring and a telescope ring. There is a plastic arrow head
with magnifying glass and siren, etc. as well. I usually was NOT
disappointed by the premiums when I got them. The magic tricks were
another matter.
Msg #37252 Dated 7:30:26 03-16-92 37013 <--> 37257
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
Don't worry about it, they wouldn't believe you anyhow if you put
together a realistic job description for the MAGIC! sysop.
Msg #37254 Dated 8:18:43 03-16-92 37219 <--> 37255
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I'd like to see how Madonna's family dresses!
Msg #37255 Dated 8:18:45 03-16-92 37221 <--> 37263
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
That I can do...
Msg #37257 Dated 8:18:51 03-16-92 37235 <--> 37297
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
You see, I just don't like the body language location etc. on the
Kozlowski Switch... I go back to the Entertainer with Misdirection
method where NO ONE IS LOOKING AT THE HANDS OR THE BILL when you
do it. PERIOD.
Msg #37258 Dated 8:18:57 03-16-92 37238 <--> 37287
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Tipping the dealer is the best INSURANCE. Never take Insurance
unless you HAVE a Snapper (ACE/KING).
Msg #37259 Dated 8:19:01 03-16-92 37242 <--> 37265
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
IT IS EASIER TO CHEAT THAN TO COUNT.
Msg #37261 Dated 9:55:08 03-16-92 37250 <--> 37352
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I'll have to check the local libraries and see what is available
these days. Wasn't much when I was a kid. I wasn't big on Sky King,
Green Hornet and Lone Ranger; my big favorite was Captain Video.
Msg #37263 Dated 10:01:32 03-16-92 37254 <--> 37283
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
RE: "I'd like to see how Madonna's family dresses!"
Very carefully.
Msg #37265 Dated 10:03:45 03-16-92 37259 <--> 37269
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Counting can get you tossed out and get your mug shot in "the book."
Cheating can get you shot!
Msg #37266 Dated 11:35:01 03-16-92 37182 <--> 37270
From: JIM SISTI
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
CY--
Address is: 21 Noe Place, Beacon Falls CT, 06403. Thanks again!
Msg #37269 Dated 12:55:34 03-16-92 37265 <--> 37272
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Wrong... Cheating can get you rich. My sources tell me when they
catch you these days, they just politely tell you to Vamoose! They
don't like the publicity.
Msg #37270 Dated 12:55:38 03-16-92 37266 <--> 37277
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
You still have not listed the lost stuff???? What you lookin' for?
Msg #37272 Dated 14:48:23 03-16-92 37269 <--> 37285
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Hmmm... Same thing usually happens to accountants and comptrollers who
are caught embezzling. Maybe we is in the wrong professions?
Msg #37274 Dated 15:05:09 03-16-92 -> 37280
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAMOUS?
Saw your name on national TV last night. Did you know you made 60
minutes? THey were doing a spot on Jay Leno. Part of the interview was
done backstage at the Comedy and Magic club in Hermosa. Behind Leno was
some grafitti " THE AMAZING PETE BIRO". I remember you saying it was
there, but it was good to see.
Msg #37275 Dated 15:20:10 03-16-92 -> 37278
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PHONE
Very funny thing. A new person in my accounting dept. was reviewing
our $2000 phone bill and brought something to my attention. Someone
was making many toll calls each day to the same number. She checked it
out, and said that the phone number was registered to a David "The
Frog" Lichtman.
Msg #37276 Dated 16:43:39 03-16-92
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: PAPER
Thanks for sending the instructions. Going to go by and pick them up
tommorow.
Msg #37277 Dated 16:42:00 03-16-92 37270 <--> 37281
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
Pete:
OK, here goes...
CLOSE-UP STUF-An expanded half-shell, copper/silver/brass, a FISM
Flash, a Don Alan-style Chop Cup, 2 folding quarters, a Kaps Wallet
(from Ken Brooke, with the metal corner) and a Japanese cherrywood wand
with brass tips..
KIDS SHOW STUFF--A folding tot, a Mali egg bag, a Blooming Bouquet,
Beads of Prussia, Costume Bag, Twentieth-Ceury Silkstie-dyed P & A), a
one-handed change bag, Birthday Silk Trick, Die Box, Silkcola, Test
Tube Bunny, and a Devil's Hank.
WWell, you asked! Seriously, s.Thanks!
Msg #37278 Dated 17:31:54 03-16-92 37275 <--> 37292
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PHONE
It's not David "The Frog" Lichtman, it's David Frog Lichtman. I assume
you set her straight? Also, so that others on here won't panic, I
assume that _most_ of your phone bill is _not_ due to calls to MAGIC!?
Msg #37280 Dated 18:24:32 03-16-92 37274 <--> 37309
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FAMOUS?
"The Amazing Peter (Biro)" is the correct wording. Thanks. Yup,
did see it and was thrilled no end!!!
Msg #37281 Dated 18:24:36 03-16-92 37277 <--> 37282
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
I don't know all the stuff (especially the Kid Stuff) but let's
see...
Will see what I have dupes of... Chop Cup for sure, might have some
coins. Don't know what a folding tot is. Have Malini Egg Bag, maybe a
Die Box... will dig and let you know. Can Loan some... be in tuch.
Msg #37282 Dated 18:40:15 03-16-92 37281 <--> 37813
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
Thanks, Pete...anything is surely appreciated!
Msg #37283 Dated 19:08:25 03-16-92 37181 <--> 37284
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Philip,
Where were you when I needed you. I need someone around at all
times who can't stand dogs and kids.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37284 Dated 19:08:33 03-16-92 37184 <--> 37296
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Cy,
Being a singer, and a writer, I can tell you that people ask for
these talents at no charge all the time.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37285 Dated 19:08:41 03-16-92 37196 <--> 37288
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Cy,
I've gotten reactions that would peel the wax off a car using the
scotch and soda coins for a coin penetration. I tell them they
can watch the coin go through an object. And then proceed to let
them watch.
Judging strictly from reactions that I've received, coin
penetration, and floating bill are the best close up illusions I
do.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37287 Dated 19:08:59 03-16-92 37231 <--> 37289
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Jerry,
Okay, let's assume you are a card counter. You have been tipping
the dealer all night long, and he goes way into the single deck
he is dealing out of.
You know that there are 18 cards left. You know that there are
four non-tens, and have kept a side count of aces and there are
no aces left.
You are dealt a pair of threes. The dealer is dealt a six.
Sitting at third base, you see that the guy in front of you has a
4. There are no more odds. There is just certainty. You split
the threes, and double down on each hand.
The dealer has 6. He has to have a ten down, because sitting at
third base, you know where all the other non-ten cards are.
This gives him 16, and a 10 will bust him. You have quadrupled
your money.
I know this is an extreme case, but one that, I hope, illustrates
an advantage to sitting at third base.
Several counters, however, refuse to sit at third base, figuring
that any advantage is offset by the knowledge that pit bosses
look for counters at third base.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37288 Dated 19:09:12 03-16-92 37233 <--> 37290
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Jerry,
Drama, like music involves a series of tensions and reliefs.
(Discord and resolve.) It would be drama for me to simply stab
someone through the neck, and leave it at that, however it would
not satisfy MY sense of drama.
No, I am not a slasher fan.
But, using a dramatic scene (Which I really didn't want to
describe in full, as the bloody thing takes 15 minutes to perform
let alone describe) of a 19th century husband and wife, combined
with the husband's suspicion of his wife's infidelity gives a
motive, and dramatic purpose to an act of violence. There is a
buildup of anger and jealousy. The act is done, not as a
thoughtless brutality, but as a crime of passion.
I have never received responses like the ones from people who
have seen this illusion.
I guess it's time for me to get in trouble again, but I'm one of
the few people I know who doesn't go wild about Lance Burton's
show. In all fairness, I've never seen his full show.
What Lance Burton does is pretty to watch, and done with grace
and skill, but what is missing, for me, is a sense of drama. Why
does he produce this dove? Why the candle sticks? It's neat
that he can manipulate them, but to what end. Why would someone
produce candles, only to blow them out and throw them in a box?
I'm not talking down Lance Burton. It just doesn't do for me,
what other magicians do for me.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37289 Dated 19:09:27 03-16-92 37241 <--> 37298
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Alright David,
You got my attention.
X-rated educational films? Got any copies?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37290 Dated 19:09:35 03-16-92 37242 <--> 37320
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
David,
Thank you for the vote of confidence. I think Jerry would like
it too, he is, I think, picturing something different than what I
perform.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37292 Dated 20:01:54 03-16-92 37278 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PHONE
Right.
Msg #37294 Dated 20:12:13 03-16-92 37209 <--> 37321
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENII
Goertner's technique is OK. Remember he is primarily a trade show
performer and does the switch many times a day. Since he uses the
TT to load the bill into a wallet, this has to be his method.
Would not work as well barehanded. Since Paul works for class
sponsors, his straight-ahead demeanor is an asset. I saw him last
year working for Pitney-Bowes. I'm sure the gentlemanly approach
is appreciated by this sponsor.
Msg #37295 Dated 20:12:25 03-16-92 37224 <--> 37307
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BACK
This is to you and Pete, who also replied. I'm not using IMP, but
uploading a file. Each message begins ER;xxxxx and ends with a
blank line and an "S". Everything works fine, but I want to use
this method to change from a personal reply or to start a new
thread. I don't want to spend the time looking for the message
and editing it. I don't want to di this with the main menu.
Msg #37296 Dated 20:12:35 03-16-92 37234 <--> 37317
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Sorry - not Damon Runyan. It's Somerest Maugham.
Msg #37297 Dated 20:12:41 03-16-92 37244 <--> 37299
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
Both methods of doing the bill switch are good. Each has some
weaknesses. It's a trade-off as to which method you use. I prefer
the bare-handed method, but you are not clean at the finish.
Usually have no problem with it. I don't know what Pete has, but
it seems to be a different effect. The original is kind of a
challenge.
Msg #37298 Dated 20:12:51 03-16-92 37246 <--> 37300
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Don't think it wise to quote a 30 year old book as an authority
on Black Jack. Scarne was well before the computer designed odds
were done. Ortiz on Casino Gambling (1986) states that some
casino's (maybe all) deal both of the bettor's cards face up.
Scarne seems to imply that card counting is almost impossible
because of the dealer's actions. That would be a surprise to all
the card counters out there. For a matter of fact, he doesn't
seem to know how counting works. I understand you count ten count
cards only.
.
His choice of third base seems strange in light of his previous
remarks. He certainly at odds with everyone else here. A full
table would seem to work best. One-on-one would be the worst.
Msg #37299 Dated 20:13:08 03-16-92 37257 <--> 37308
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Since the original bill switch is based on the fact that they can
burn your hands during the performance, your effect is really
different in this respect. I know I haven't seen you do the
switch, but your cryptic remarks lead to this conclusion.
Msg #37300 Dated 20:13:17 03-16-92 37258 <--> 37302
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Ortiz advises NEVER to take insurance - even on a natural.
His reasoning is too complicated to give here. I trust him,
however.
Msg #37302 Dated 20:13:37 03-16-92 37258 <--> 37304
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
This is of course to all. Larry King will be interviewing David
Copperfield on Thursday.
Msg #37304 Dated 20:27:06 03-16-92 37289 <--> 37305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Alas, no, I don't have any copies. In those days, home video wasn't
common. We recorded the thing on 1-inch video tape and no-one thought
to take a copy.
Msg #37305 Dated 20:28:45 03-16-92 37298 <--> 37306
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
The problem was that I couldn't get my hands on Ortiz or Thorpe, they
were on my wife's nightstand, along with her own calculations and
computer printouts, and she was asleep. The only book I had handy was
the Scarne and while I knew his info was out of date, I wanted to throw
in his third base reference. Scarne, for his time, did his own hand
calculations and, for the most part, they were pretty good given the
rules at that time. Anita did find one flaw in his calculations when
she went back over them.
Msg #37307 Dated 20:34:41 03-16-92 37295 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Actually, if you are not using IMP! but are uploading a file, the BEST
way to change the public/personal status, the addressee or the title of
the thread _IS_ to enter a message from the Main Menu. The ER;nnnnn's
that you are already doing are going in via the Main Menu, so just
changing the format and using Enter means that the message can just be
one more in the string that you are sending. Here's the format - I'll
use for the carriage return:
E
name (or just a blank line if it is to ALL)
subject
Y (if it is to be personal; just for public; don't even
bother with this line if it is to "All").
[the message]
the blank line
S
Same basic idea as what you are doing now and this type of message can
be intermingled with the ER's in the upload file.
Msg #37308 Dated 20:42:23 03-16-92 37297 <--> 37326
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SCANNER
I agree that each method has its place. I wasn't the one who took an
adamant point of view on this - I was the open, flexible one who just
had a particular preference. It was "the other guy" (you know who!)
who insisted that the TT method was no good.
Msg #37309 Dated 20:44:38 03-16-92 37280 <--> 37327
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAMOUS?
Almost fell off the couch pointing it out to my wife and some visiting
friends. I'm sure Jay set up the shot that way on purpose. Will see you
in a few more days. Can't wait.
Msg #37312 Dated 21:13:49 03-16-92 -> 37313
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CARTOON
I have just uploaded a very funny cartoon I found on Copperfield in the
Las Vegas newspaper. It might be awhile before you can download it from
the Files area... but when you can it is a PCX file, name:
DOP-FCOP-FIEL.PCX
.
Msg #37313 Dated 21:40:14 03-16-92 37312 <--> 37328
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARTOON
Is that the one from Mother Goose and Grimm about Copperfield's
funeral?
Msg #37316 Dated 21:49:03 03-16-92 -> 37330
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANIMALS
Funky Munky now has a playmate. Rebecca is 2 years old today (afetr
the sponge ball incident, I wasn't sure she'd SEE this day!) but she
was gifted with an enormous stuffed ram. Well, of course he needs a
name. I came up with a couple - "Ramsies Too" and "Wooly Bully". My
husband Brian came up with "Zis Boom Baaaa" (the sound a sheep makes
when it explodes). But we thought we'd ask the EXPERT!
Msg #37317 Dated 22:30:31 03-16-92 37284 <--> 37348
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Send 'em a bill! Or sing bad. Send a bill anyway!
Msg #37319 Dated 22:30:37 03-16-92 37287 <--> 37323
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Get the dealer aside, ask him to flash the next card to you and
then you work out a signal to take a hit, but not the top card.
If the dealer can do a second, then you got a better shot at it.
Or you see the card will hurt you, don't take a hit. Split 50-50
with the dealer later.
Msg #37320 Dated 22:30:44 03-16-92 37288 <--> 37331
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
You gots to see the full evening of Lance... drama is there in
many places. It is very entertaining... I just the other night
was chatting up a wealthy dude that goes to Vegas all the time,
and he had just seen Lance's show... thought it was GREAT and
wanted to know if I knew him. Sure, I said, taught him all he
knows, I said. Guy wandered off mumbling.... argh....
Msg #37321 Dated 22:30:51 03-16-92 37294 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: GENII
No question that his style suits where he works... I just personally
like MORE PERFORMER... fun is what it is about, and most of the
close up wonder workers DO NOT EXUDE... FUN
Msg #37323 Dated 22:31:27 03-16-92 37300 <--> 37324
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
I only listen to a professional gambler friend, former crossroader
and long time undercover security guy, who also really knows the
stuff and teaches PIT BOSSES AND CASINO MANAGMENT the inside stuff.
He is very strong, and has little time for all the fake gambling
experts. They all do magic he says... what I have seen him do would
make all the so called gambling guys wonder where they have been
studying. He does things like coolers in big games with 2 deck and
more slugs. Never worries about the technique as WHERE AND WHEN
YOU DO IT plus the real world gambling attitude COUNTS FOR MORE.
.
HIS THEORY ON ERDNASE??? He figures, with the Magic in there, that
Erdnase did not want to put the REAL STUFF in, he held back, but
put enough in there to entice the fake gambling experts (mostly
magicians)... and put some magic in the book for them. If he had
put only gambling material in it would not have had the same appeal
to the magicians of the time. Where the book was, he believes,
aimed at.
.
None of the real guys give out the real stuff, as it is handed to
them with the proviso to NOT TIP. What gets out is generally
obsolete.
Msg #37324 Dated 22:31:48 03-16-92 37302 <--> 37345
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Darn... I will be on the road... argh...
Msg #37326 Dated 22:31:55 03-16-92 37308 <--> 37343
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
I still think the TT method is not going to fool us. We may not
see the bill, or the moves, but we know a TT is in use. That is
what I don't like.
.
However, when done for laymen it is ok, if the operator is as good
as James Lewis. I don't think many others are. Only Klause and
Ammar come close (in those that I have personally seen). I didn't
think much of Gertner's handling, but maybe the TV was in too tight
and not very forgiving.You can't misdirect a Lens!
Msg #37327 Dated 22:32:05 03-16-92 37309 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FAMOUS?
I owe Leno ONE big one! I need to get his tickets tomorrow for the
Race in Long Beach he wants to go to... ahahaha
Msg #37328 Dated 22:32:08 03-16-92 37312 <--> 37329
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: CARTOON
The name got garbled. it is not DOP-FCOP-FIEL.PCX
IT IS
COP-FIEL.PCX
.
I don't know how the computer came up with the long name that
appears in msg 37312 it is wrong... musta got caught in the Thumb
Tip.........arhg.............
.
NO INTENTION OF IT SOUNDING LIKE COP FEEL...A RGH
Msg #37329 Dated 22:32:19 03-16-92 37313 <--> 37336
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CARTOON
YOU GOT IT DUDETTE!
Msg #37330 Dated 22:32:21 03-16-92 37316 <--> 37340
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ANIMALS
NOT BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. HMMMM.... GOT TO THINK....
.
No sheep tricks....
.
ram bunctios
.
RAM BUNKY
.
RAM BUNK SHUSS
.
RAM 'N EGGS
.
RAM BAA BAA
.
AS IN RUM BABA
.
RAM BABA
.
RAM BAM THANK YOU MAM
.
TSK
.
RAM BO PEEP
THASSIT... RAM BO PEEP
Msg #37331 Dated 22:39:19 03-16-92 37165 <--> 37332
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I tried the methods you suggested. Too costly. I spoke with Joe Stevens
this evening and he said that there would be a session at 5PM. Deja Vu.
I'll see you there.
Msg #37332 Dated 22:41:07 03-16-92 37171 <--> 37333
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Sounds like a great routine. Scotch and Soda is a very strong effect.
Msg #37333 Dated 22:42:05 03-16-92 37188 <--> 37335
From: FRANK ZAK
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Here in Vegas, I get calls from my agents to come in and talk to the
clients. I almost have to convince them to have magic in their suites
or booths. I get quite a few shows from people seeing my shows also.
Msg #37335 Dated 22:46:02 03-16-92 37205 <--> 37341
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
No argument from me. It just seems that it is harder to break in a
stand up act. I have no problem working the close up act.
Msg #37336 Dated 22:47:11 03-16-92 37312 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARTOON
Was iA_|Ky~*t it from Mother Goose and Grimm?
Msg #37340 Dated 23:49:02 03-16-92 37316 <--> 37353
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ANIMALS
Congrats to Rebecca! And many Happy Returns!
In my humble opinion, if I can "horn" in here, there is only ONE
reasonable name for a RAM -- Name it "ONE-MEG." We have one from years
ago, his name is "256-K."
Msg #37341 Dated 23:53:05 03-16-92 37331 <--> 37368
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Too costly? We'll have to talk when we see each other at DMS!
Msg #37343 Dated 23:57:09 03-16-92 37326 <--> 37350
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Yeah, the TT method doesn't fool those who are looking for it, but done
right I think it kills a lay audience. And James Lewis certainly does
a SUPERB version - definitely one of the best. So do Ammar and Klause.
We'll have to talk at DMS - I've had a spate of problems around here
and I ain't feeling too comfortable about my version of it. Maybe for
SLC?
Msg #37344 Dated 0:19:36 03-17-92 -> 37370
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARTOON
OK, Pete, the cartoon, COP-FIEL.PCX, is now available in the MAGIC!
files area. Is it only one panel long? I looked at it, and I don't
get it.
Msg #37345 Dated 0:26:12 03-17-92 37287 <--> 37346
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Show me a dealer who -- tip or no tip -- is willing to deal forty cards
into a single deck, and I'm show you a person who is destined for a
one-way trip into the desert.
Msg #37346 Dated 0:42:27 03-17-92 37241 <--> 37347
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
What's the matter am I not writing english ? I can't understand why
you don't understand what I'm trying to say ! I've tried twice to
make the point that many people give undue importance to a sequence
and let it modify their expectation over and above what the true
probability of the event would normally be.
.
What an X rated learning program has to do with discussion totally
escapes me !
.
Next subject, enough already.
Msg #37347 Dated 0:42:33 03-17-92 37248 <--> 37354
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Got it !
.
Maybe that's why I gave up playing blackjack.
Msg #37348 Dated 0:42:36 03-17-92 37243 <--> 37349
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I was thinking about the request to perform thing some more myself
and agree that at my level of expertise it is somewhat flattering to
be asked to perform. Whereas a Pro like Max who does nothing else
but perform would consider it as an insult.
.
When at a party and I tell them I'm a programmer, I get very few
requests to show them some code. If I tell them I'm a magician they
want to see some - guess it goes with the territory.
Msg #37349 Dated 0:42:41 03-17-92 37296 <--> 37355
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Interesting, I thought it was Damon Runyon - oh well, it still
applies regardless of who said it.
Msg #37350 Dated 0:42:44 03-17-92 37244 <--> 37351
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
Agree that openess is the clincher. My point was there is no reason
to make the BIG move, break it in half it becomes imperceptable and
natural looking.
Msg #37351 Dated 0:42:47 03-17-92 37257 <--> 37356
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Well we will all know by the weekend for sure. When is the big
switch-off scheduled ? Who are the other judges ?
Msg #37352 Dated 0:42:50 03-17-92 37250 <--> 37666
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Remember the old Johnson catalog ? I used to read it from cover to
cover. Spent a lot of money on magic junk. I know from where you
come.
Msg #37353 Dated 0:42:52 03-17-92 37330 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ANIMALS
Ram DOS !
Msg #37354 Dated 0:58:40 03-17-92 37346 <--> 37383
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
See you at DMS!
Msg #37355 Dated 0:59:14 03-17-92 37348 <--> 37377
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I have a hard time conceptualizing a request as an insult, regardless
of the professional level of the person involved. I usually fall back
on "writer." They may ask you what you do, but they never ask for an
on-the-spot demonstration!
Msg #37356 Dated 1:00:55 03-17-92 37350 <--> 37371
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
Ah! OK, I agree to the two small moves over the one big one!
Msg #37358 Dated 5:15:48 03-17-92 -> 37365
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: INVITATION
I realize this isn't the social event of the season, but I will be
arriving in Las Vegas at 9:00 PM Friday for the last part of DMS.
Frank Zak, Steve Bryant and I are going for pizza and comraderie and we
would like to invite anybody who would like to join us. Meet in the
lobby of the Trop (registration desk) at about 9:20 and party with us!
Msg #37359 Dated 5:18:58 03-17-92 -> 37366
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: SLEEP
Don't you guys ever sleep? I am an insomniac from way back and I can't
sleep any longer than 5 hours at a time. It's 5:00 AM. Anybody ELSE
awake out there?
Msg #37360 Dated 5:20:47 03-17-92 -> 37431
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: VEGAS
Just thought I'd let everyone know, if you are going to Vegas asny time
soon, Hilton (as in Flamingo and Vegas Hilton) have reintroduced their
Bounce Back package through September. Rooms at the Flamingo
(Sun-Thur) go for $24.95 and you have your choice of either their show,
"City Lites" or dinner in the Crown Room, plus a breakfast buffet in
the morning and a packet of goodies on arrival. This is a Hilton
special, not MTN, and is available at all participating Hiltons, so be
sure to ask if your plans include a hotel stay. You have to ask for
it, as hotels are reluctatnt to say something like "well, here's our
cheapest deal going". Just thought I'd let you know.
Your friendly neighborhood travel agent.
Stace
Msg #37361 Dated 5:27:01 03-17-92 -> 37373
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Just finished reading the Mike Caveny article in MAGIC and one line
caught my eye. "Shelly, the luckiest girl in the world..." Who the
heck is Shelly? Is she last years' Rachel? And the year before's
Dawn? And the year before's Sarah? And the year before's - well, you
get the picture. I also wonder about the disclaimer at the beginning,
the one that goes "I am a fan of David Copperfield and therefore
entitled to write this magnificent article that you have been waiting
all your life for" or something to that effect. Once again, we have
here an article that is almost entirely controlled by Copperfield. I
can imagine the pre-article conversation:
"Hello, David? I'd like to write an article about you and your work"
"Well, gee, come on over and I'll tell you exactly what I want you to
write."
Without exception, every article is exactly the same material presented
in a slightly different format. Nothing is new. SSDM. (same stuff,
different magazine).
What WOULD be interesting is a skilled journalist such as Mike Wallace
or Barbara Walters doing a REAL interview, where Copperfield could NOT
control the journalist. This has never happened. Wonder why?
Msg #37365 Dated 7:50:34 03-17-92 37358 <--> 37379
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: INVITATION
You will miss the MAGIC! session by four hours! It is at 5 p.m. on
Friday.
Does that pizza include anchovies?
Msg #37366 Dated 7:52:24 03-17-92 37359 <--> 37372
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SLEEP
Well, let's see . . . 5 a.m. in San Diego . . . Arnaud is just getting
back from lunch in Holland, Bill Wells is probaby arriving at work in
Washington, D.C., its around 3 a.m. in Hawaii and Barry Gitelson is
likely to be sleeping, and it is somewhere around midnight - and just
turning into Wednesday - in New Zealand, so Bruce Graham might be
getting ready to sign on.
Msg #37368 Dated 8:46:45 03-17-92 37335 <--> 37385
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
There are fewer places to work stand up acts. Every room, every
hallway, every elevator can hold a close up act!
Msg #37370 Dated 8:46:52 03-17-92 37344 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARTOON
Will stick in a thumb tip and talk about it at DMS.
Msg #37371 Dated 8:46:54 03-17-92 37351 <--> 37384
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
Judges? Roy Bean, Judge Stone, Here comes da Judge, and the guy
that just missed going to jail hisself.
Msg #37372 Dated 8:46:58 03-17-92 37359 <--> 37374
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SLEEP
I went to bed at 4, but was up at 6, so I missed you. Tsk.
Msg #37373 Dated 8:47:01 03-17-92 37361 <--> 37391
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
The subject of a magician and his show is of little importance.
Almost all magic journalists have been brought up reading glowing
ring reports.
.
Is the job of a writer IN A MAGIC MAGAZINE to get into the sex life
of any of the acts? Or to just talk about the "effect" ie: What is
seen onstage and what is done to have it happen.
.
Most of the writers in magic are FANS of Magic and Magicians... and
want to keep friends with everyone.
.
At one time (I don't write in the same format anymore) I had written
thngs about Lance, Harry Anderson, David C., Martin Lewis -- and I
am sure others... that I FELT WOULD (Ger Copper add to above) that
I felt would make it so that they would never talk to me again.
.
Like being BORING (David) and stealing material (H AND M) and
doing a LOUSY SHOW (Copper at Fism) and Lance was a NO VOTE form
me for the IBM Gold medal... but i was honest, they were my feelings
and I said so and in the end they all agreed with me (except Martin
Lewis - I think) and we are all NOW GOOD FRIENDS. (i THINK)... HAH
.
So,it is really the audience you write for. If you are writing for
the Genii you glow aboaut magicians, for MAGIC mebbe a little more
honest... for the STAR you rip their lips off!
.
Got to go, late for work.... by
Msg #37374 Dated 8:47:27 03-17-92 37366 <--> 37375
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
And the SYSOP is awake and watching us all!
Msg #37375 Dated 9:33:22 03-17-92 37374 <--> 37430
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
Actually, the Sysop called it quits at about 2 a.m. and crawled into
bed and read Henning Nelms for about 1/2 hour. Was up from about 3:30
to 4 a.m., but didn't check in on MAGIC!. Got up at 7 a.m. and checked
in. And have been working ever since to try to get MAGIC! in shape to
absorb the shock of my being away for four days.
Msg #37377 Dated 9:58:50 03-17-92 37283 <--> 37388
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I'll pay better attention in the future.
Msg #37379 Dated 13:30:10 03-17-92 37358 <--> 37390
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: INVITATION
Sounds like fun. The best part of DMS last year was meeting friends
from MAGIC!ount me in.
Stacey, just for you I'll bring my wife's favorite BUNS recipe...
Msg #37383 Dated 19:49:09 03-17-92 37323 <--> 37387
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Very interesting thoughts on REAL gambling cheating. I think that
magic has a certain likeness. The top magicians try for the best
technique. Call it the real work if you will. But the greats also
know a lot about misdirection, the moment, shade and do have
ATTITUDE. Watch the nonchalance of Goshman, Johnny Thompson etc.
and you will see attitude. There is none of the watching of the
hands or a blank stare as if looking at a mirror. They just DO IT
on the fly with good misdirection and forethought. They know the
psycology of the watchers and use it against them.
.
Pete - a lot of good magic is passed from one to another to NOT
TIP. Ask Roger Klause, the master of the underground.
Msg #37384 Dated 19:49:26 03-17-92 37326 <--> 37386
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Pete - I've done the bare-handed method for so long I'm biased
in its favor. I have Ammar and Klause. Am going to put some time in
the TT method. Even if I stay with the bare-hand method I will
learn a lot about magic. Perhaps use the methods for other
effects.
Msg #37385 Dated 19:49:35 03-17-92 37335 <--> 37418
From: CY KELLER
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I'm not sure a close-up act is easier. There seem to be more
tricks in the category, but for an ACT that's another thing. An
act is Albert Goshman. An act is not just performing a bunch of
tricks. You have to think of building, contrast and management.
There a lot fewer good close-up acts than platform or stage.
Msg #37386 Dated 19:49:44 03-17-92 37343 <--> 37389
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
When James Lewis uses a thumb tip, you can be fooled even though
you may know it's there. The handling is so clean that you seem
to see clean thumbs at all times. I've seen it and been fooled. I
wasn't born yesterday. OK, maybe the day before.
Msg #37387 Dated 19:49:53 03-17-92 37345 <--> 37429
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
I assume you are speaking of a gambling venue - not Tannens.
There is more than one kind of dealer. I was reading the message
quickly and was thinking of Joe Stevens when you started "Show me
a dealer". Maybe some of our dealers should take a one-way trip.
Not for myself, however. I have never been mistreated.
Msg #37388 Dated 19:50:02 03-17-92 37348 <--> 37417
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
When you are being paid good money for a similar show, the
flattery doesn't take you in. If you sat down with friends after
a paid show in the same venue, you would not think of doing
something you had just been paid for. For that matter, If someone
who had paid hundreds for a performance saw you do a free show,
what would that person think?
.
I don't tell people I'm a banker. In some spots I want it known
that I'm a magician. If I'm a professional they should not expect
me to do a free show.
Msg #37389 Dated 19:50:16 03-17-92 37350 <--> 37393
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
This idea of breaking a BIG move into a few small moves is one of
the big breakthroughs in Klause's book. I think that is how James
Lewis fools me so badly.
Msg #37390 Dated 19:50:24 03-17-92 37358 <--> 37411
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: INVITATION
That may be the social event of my season. Since I can't be with
you guys (guys is non-sexist - guys = persons) I'll have to sit
here until yo'all get back. Have a bite for me.
Msg #37391 Dated 19:50:38 03-17-92 37373 <--> 38235
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Pete - an amazing message. I do wish that reviewers would be more
objective with their reviews. I would like to hear negative
comments about my performce. It's the only way I could grow. I might
see some things I was not aware of. Hope all the guys still respect
you.
Msg #37393 Dated 20:25:18 03-17-92 37386 <--> 37428
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SCANNER
James Lewis does a LOT of good work. He takes his work very seriously,
which, I think, is another strong tip in the world of magic.
I really never worry about whether I am fooled or not. I like to watch
good work and I like to watch the audience.
Msg #37398 Dated 20:38:07 03-17-92
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: STREET HAWKERS AND FLIM F
Has anybody had a chance to see Paul Nathan in the Close-up room yet?
He Normally works the Pier 49 stage here in San Fransicko.
Msg #37400 Dated 20:59:18 03-17-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: PIZZA
The more, the merrier! We'd love to have you! Bring your best tricks!
Msg #37402 Dated 21:02:42 03-17-92 -> 37478
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: PIZZA
We promise to Federal Express a pice of pizza to you! Is that with or
without anchovies?
Msg #37411 Dated 22:38:56 03-17-92 37358 <-
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: INVITATION
Stacy,
Is there room for one more for pizza? I'll probably try to see
Lance's early show and will try to be there by 9:30 or so.
I hope someone can drive, I don't have that many helmets!
Looking forward to Friday,
David (the other one)
Msg #37412 Dated 22:43:05 03-17-92 -> 37441
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DMS
Hey, are you not going to the DMS now? I was looking forward to
seeing you again. I'm going, even thoug+ah I've got too much going on
here. Road up to Tulsa last weekend with Richard to attend their flea
market. Had a good time (but it was no Music City - Connclave!).
Eugene Burger gave a lecture, a long one. Got to spend a lot of time
with Roger Klause. Had a real good time. Now I'm doing it this
weekend again!
Charlie
Msg #37413 Dated 22:45:49 03-17-92
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOOK
See you in Vegas.
Charlie
Msg #37414 Dated 22:54:14 03-17-92 37226 <--> 37415
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RACE CARS
David and Stacey...
I prefer to watch a video tape of David Copperfield going over Niagara
Falls while I take a shower. Still trying to get a tiny little
motorized helicopter in there with me but no go yet.
Msg #37415 Dated 23:17:28 03-17-92 37414 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: RACE CARS
Well, at least watching a video of DC going over the Falls while you
shower is better than plastering the shower with a photo of Houdini in
the Water Torture Cell.
Msg #37417 Dated 23:26:57 03-17-92 37355 <--> 37423
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
It isn't an explicit insult but an implicit one -- the same as when a
doctor at a party is asked his medical opinion. If the person said
they were a caterer would you ask for a knish? But people think that
something nonmaterial -- like information or performance -- is not a
thing and therefore can be given away though the person may sell it as
a way of making a living.
Msg #37418 Dated 23:34:03 03-17-92 37341 <--> 37419
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
If you have an inexpensive way to contact prospective clients I'm all
ears.!!!
Msg #37419 Dated 23:34:56 03-17-92 37368 <--> 37421
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
That's probably why I'm having a hard time workin g the stand up act.
Msg #37421 Dated 23:35:50 03-17-92 37385 <--> 37425
From: FRANK ZAK
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I have a nice 15 min. routine starting with coins moving to sponges
chopcup and ending with 3 card tricks.
Msg #37423 Dated 23:36:35 03-17-92 37417 <--> 37484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I can see your point about the material vs. non-material. And I'm OK,
right until we get up to the "insult" part. Insulting because they are
asing for a "freebie" and therefore placing a low value on your talents
or abilities? I guess it could be seen that way. But I've always
regarded people's time as their real valuable commodity, so I've always
assumed that by asking you to perform, and therefore to volunteer some
of their time to watch, indicates that they hold your ability in high
enough esteem to be willing to give a part of their life to watching.
I do not see anything wrong with turning down such a request, but I
have difficulty seeing the request itself as an insult.
Msg #37425 Dated 23:40:08 03-17-92 37418 <--> 37432
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Hmmm... Maybe being "all ears" has hurt your chances? Have you
considered performing for a plastic surgeon's convention? See you
soon!
Msg #37427 Dated 23:42:31 03-17-92 -> 37442
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: ALL
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
Does anybody know anything about the Timothy Wenk lecture here in L.A.
on Thursday? I received a flier in the mail and called the number, but
all I got was an answering machine. I left my name and number, but
haven't receive a call back. Has anyone here been to one of his
lectures? Is it worth attending? I use his Misled effect and feel that
it is GREAT magic and is destined to become a classic. If I find out
anymore, I'll post it.
Msg #37428 Dated 23:46:30 03-17-92 37371 <--> 37436
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Judging by a prior comment from the Frog I suspect he turned chicken
re the 'Great Bill Switch' thumb-off. Maybe we should just have a
round table switch off, have a few beers, and discuss the lint in our
respective belly buttons.
Msg #37429 Dated 23:46:33 03-17-92 37354 <--> 37437
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Yo - I'm leaving Weds about noon. Will see you there.
.
I'm bringing all my Thumb tips, Toe tips, Knee tips, and Bell-person
tips - let's magic !!!!
Msg #37430 Dated 23:46:37 03-17-92 37375 <--> 37438
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Tonight is a full moon, light a white candle next to the crystal and
let it bring in enough energy to tide the system over until you get
back.
Msg #37431 Dated 23:46:40 03-17-92 37360 <--> 37605
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VEGAS
I that deal attached to an airline or can you just show-up for it.
Msg #37432 Dated 23:46:42 03-17-92 37385 <--> 37470
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I have seen many close-up 'performers' whose idea of an _ACT_ is
to finish one trick and then say, "Let's see what shall I do next,
while fumbling through their pockets to see what's left".
.
There is no central theme or continuity. They just do a few cards
then switch to coins, etc. - sad but true.
Msg #37436 Dated 0:48:44 03-18-92 37428 <--> 37443
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
Not "chicken," Jerry. But illness, etc. around here has made me
suggest that we at least postpone the Great Bill Switch Contest to SLC.
PLUS, I spoke with the TABMAN tonite and I ain't doin' it without him
as another of the judges.
Msg #37437 Dated 0:50:09 03-18-92 37429 <--> 37440
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Have a good trip, Jerry! See you at DMS!
Msg #37438 Dated 0:53:30 03-18-92 37430 <--> 37447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SLEEP
Jerry -
Either I need 24-hours notice on candle work, or you've got to give me
a list of basic colors to have on hand! I managed to hunt up a white
candle and have it going now.
Thanks for the suggestion and, indeed, may it bring in enough energy to
keep MAGIC! flowing!
Msg #37440 Dated 1:07:36 03-18-92 37383 <--> 37482
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Yep, but the book was a disappointment as many thought some of the
real stuff was going to surface... too bad... maybe next time?
Msg #37441 Dated 1:07:40 03-18-92 37412 <--> 37448
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DMS
I have the TILT somewhere... but darned if I can find it. Hope to
by tomorrow... otherwise you will get it SOME TIME... ARGH...
SEE YUZ ALL AT DMS... Except El Tab, he be sandin' and a cuttin'
Msg #37442 Dated 1:07:45 03-18-92 37427 <--> 37468
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
His lecture (Wenk) at the Music City Conclave was well received.
Had some good kid stuff too...
His rope work is A1.
Msg #37443 Dated 1:07:49 03-18-92 37428 <--> 37444
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
You got it dude... belly button switch/servante is it!
Msg #37444 Dated 1:07:52 03-18-92 37436 <--> 37446
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
Aha, paying off the judge, eh, dude... argh... if you think you
are sick you should read my mind...Argh...
Msg #37445 Dated 1:07:56 03-18-92 -> 37467
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: STUFF
Ee;37437
In the mail: Don Alan Chop Cup, Malini Egg Bag, Kennedy Half with
shell (tail side), Zola "Silver Extraction" w/Kennedy half, Mike
Rogers' cut Sponge Rabbit set, Card in Wallet Wallet (LePaul type),
Nielsen Beer bottle thru table gaff, Set of Wild Card, Mini Brain-
Wave Deck and Porper Jumping Toothpicks (mechanical paddle trick
from Jeff Busby). Hope this will tide you over. When you are flush
and can get new ones send back, no rush and not need all at one
time. Enjoy Dude! I think a wand is in the works too....
Msg #37446 Dated 1:12:37 03-18-92 37444 <--> 37456
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Pete -
You _KNOW_ there is NO WAY that any payoff, regardless of shape,
manner, or form, would influence or sway the TABMAN. When you is
talking high moral ground, you is just startin' up the slope to the
TABMAN's place.
Msg #37447 Dated 1:15:10 03-18-92 37430 <--> 37457
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SLEEP
Yegards, Burton! When we follow your instructions, _we_ _follow_
_your_ _instructions_!!! The candle, a pure white one, burned down and
left NO residue! It had some type of sparkle in it - bright pure white
sparkles actually flew off of it! AND the wick stood STRAIGHT UP (with
a small hook at the top, pointing TOWARD the crystal cluster and the
modems!) to the very end!!! AND, when it fell, it fell TOWARD the
crystal cluster and the modems!!!
I may not know all the signs, but I get the distinct impression that we
gave the crystal cluster and the system enough power to run, even
without AC, for at least a week!
Good going! Thanks!
Msg #37448 Dated 6:13:36 03-18-92 37412 <--> 37458
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DMS
Yeah, I'd like to be in LV with ya'll but no room in the budget
this year. I'm set to go to FFFF too soooo hope that the Hotel
DeCarlo settles early. Have fun!
Msg #37451 Dated 7:38:36 03-18-92 -> 37459
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: PIZZA PARTY
Okay, here we go again. PIZZA PARTY! Friday night, March 20, meet
at 9:30 in the lobby of the Trop for fun, frolic. pizza, partying,
magic and, once we get to know each other, God knows what else.
Last time I did this, we wound up at the Believe It or Not? Museum,
having a contest to see who could scare the daylights out of the
rest of the group the best. And ANOTHER thing...just because I am
the prez of Magicians Travel Network (big deal) doesn't mean that
I am going to try and SELL you something (have you been to Fiji?)
or try and get you to go on a vacation (boy, do we have some great
airfares!) that you can't afford (we got a new batch of the $100
off coupons yesterday) or try and influence you (have you got your
tickets to SLC yet?) in any way. I don't know WHERE you guys come
up with these crazy ideas!
Seriously (what's THAT?) I don't WANT to discuss travel. This is
MY vacation, short as it is, and I don't WANT to be a travel agent.
For two days I want to discuss magic, meet new people and HAVE FUN!
SO LET'S PARTY!
Remember: Tropicana Lobby, 9:30PM, Friday night.
P.S. Vegas people - please call Lance, Melinda, Sigfried, Roy,
Kirby, Geno, Gary, Dixie and all Vegas mages and tell them about
our party. If they can't make it them, we WILL keep partying until
they get there! Frank Zak knows where it is. We WILL welcome people
who like anchovies!
Msg #37453 Dated 7:39:42 03-18-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SEATS
I have actually had students who BEGGED me to let them fly in a kennel
to save money, or stuff them in a box! But I think you will be more
comfortable in the section with seats. It may be a cheap ticket, but
it DOES entitle you to sit with the rest of the passengers!
Msg #37454 Dated 7:51:24 03-18-92 -> 37462
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Superstar Magi: David Copperfield will be on ABC this morning
(Wednesday) at 10:30 on John Tesh's ONE ON ONE. Sorry I didn't annouce
later. In fact, someone else might have already done it. I haven't
logged on in a while. Just too busy. Hope it's a good interview. Hi
to everyone. We'll have to talk soon. We'll do lunch. Love ya, babe!
Don't ever change. Ciao!!!!!
Msg #37456 Dated 8:05:28 03-18-92 37446 <--> 37463
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SCANNER
You took me seriously? Duh.......
Msg #37457 Dated 8:05:31 03-18-92 37447 <--> 37464
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
You took him seriously? ARgh.
Msg #37458 Dated 8:05:34 03-18-92 37448 <--> 37480
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DMS
We took you seriously?
Msg #37459 Dated 8:05:36 03-18-92 37451 <--> 37476
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: PIZZA PARTY
Who took you seriously? Seriously.
Msg #37462 Dated 9:55:43 03-18-92 37454 <--> 37465
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Thanks for the television alert, Mike! Great! I may have gotten it
just in time!
Msg #37463 Dated 9:57:10 03-18-92 37456 <--> 37602
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
You can only think I took you seriously if you took me seriously! But,
seriously, the TABMAN _is_ one Hell'uva dude!
Msg #37464 Dated 9:58:40 03-18-92 37457 <--> 37481
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
Of course I took Burton's message seriously! We take all precautions
to keep this system working, be they magical or zientifical. So far,
the magical methods are beating out the technical ones! Which is AS IT
SHOULD BE!
I've been reading Nelms again (Magic and Showmanship: A Handbook for
Conjurers -- it is a GOLDMINE) and he writes: "The lore of magic is
scientifically false but psychologically sound. Superstitions and
magical concepts have survived through the ages because _they_ _are_
_the_ _kind_ _of_ _ideas_ _that_ _people_ _find_ _easy_ _to_ _accept_
[italics Nelms]. Writers [of fiction] go on the theory that the royal
road to conviction follows the natural beliefs (and prejudices) of the
human race. They imitate 'real' magic because it is the sort of
material readers are most apt to swallow. The conjuror who ignores
'real' magic as a source of clues to credulity will encounter heavy
going on an uphill path. He must expect to find conviction difficult."
I would say that about a third of the writers who's books are
consistently in the top ten bestsellers cater to the human desire to
believe in magic. Can you say the same about "magicians"?
Besides -- Jerry's advice is WORKING, so yeah, I take him and it
seriously, keep the rune marked crystal cluster pointed at the modems,
and work the candles per Dr. Burton's prescriptions.
Msg #37465 Dated 11:14:32 03-18-92 37454 <--> 37466
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Thanks for the tip about David Copperfield being on NBC's ONE ON ONE.
Interviewed by Sandy Newton, David was up-front, close and personal.
He talked about his work, his life, his loves, how he's changed over
the past five years, and even about his desire to have children.
Great!
Alas, no time to key in any direct quotes right now - working
frantically on material for the MAGIC! Session at DMS - Friday, 5 p.m.!
Msg #37466 Dated 11:20:53 03-18-92 37465 <--> 37472
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Gads! It is so frantic around here right now that I almost forgot --
they also showed a clip from the Flying segment of DC's upcoming
special (March 31st, 8 p.m. - check local listings)! I've been
wondering how this was going to transfer from the live stage
performance to the television screen and now I have my answer - IT IS
GOING TO BE INCREDIBLE!!! IT IS GOING TO KILL!!!
Msg #37467 Dated 12:37:38 03-18-92 37445 <--> 37492
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
Pete:
Can't thank you enough. With the move, I'm finding it hard to get back
on the old feet. I really appreciate the help and will return said
stuff when insurance comes through. Thanks again!!
Msg #37468 Dated 12:39:21 03-18-92 37427 <--> 37610
From: JIM SISTI
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
Tim is a buddy and definitely worth seeing. His lecture is called
"Stuff You'll Use." It may not be material you'll wow them with at the
local SAM...but who cares?
Msg #37469 Dated 14:27:03 03-18-92 -> 37493
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ACADEMY AWARDS
Would anyone attending tonite's Academy of Magical Arts Banquet PLEASE
post a report!
Msg #37470 Dated 14:53:52 03-18-92 37425 <--> 37479
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha.
Msg #37472 Dated 17:04:26 03-18-92 37462 <--> 37473
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
I missed the interview. Hope it was a good one.
Msg #37473 Dated 17:05:07 03-18-92 37465 <--> 37474
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Glad it was a good interview.
Msg #37474 Dated 17:05:46 03-18-92 37466 <--> 37500
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Sounds great for magic and magicians. Just hope it inspires others to
elevate their magic to this level.
Msg #37475 Dated 17:06:43 03-18-92
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Had great time today. Thanks for teaching me the "new" effect. You're
GOOD, VERY GOOD!!! Thanks again. MIKE.
Msg #37476 Dated 18:52:36 03-18-92 37459 <-
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PIZZA PARTY
I dunno...I WAS taken seriously twice...my two kids are proof of that!
Msg #37478 Dated 19:28:52 03-18-92 37402 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: PIZZA
WIll pick up some other time. Thanks anyway.
Msg #37479 Dated 19:28:58 03-18-92 37432 <--> 37487
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
The idea of a close-up act is not something that works in the
real world. The act is a sit-down situation like at the Castle.
Much close-up work is a hospitality room or a table in a
restaurant. The time to entrertain is short. I find you just do
tricks. Some small routines are possible.
Msg #37480 Dated 19:29:07 03-18-92 37448 <--> 37515
From: CY KELLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DMS
Sending a check for a table. Whatever wand you are considering
for me, just do the wood in a complimentary choice. I'll leave it
up to your good judgement.
Msg #37481 Dated 19:29:15 03-18-92 37464 <--> 37494
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Have never thought much of Nelms. Since you are so taken with the
book, I'll give it another go. None of the people I admire seem
to fit into his thinking. The same goes for Burger. I seem to
have a different view of entertainment.
Msg #37482 Dated 19:33:36 03-18-92 37300 <--> 37483
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Cy,
Mathematically, for the non-counter, there is never a time to
take insurance. Ortiz is absolutely right.
If you are counting cards, there are cases where you will win
more than lose by taking insurance.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37483 Dated 19:33:44 03-18-92 37304 <--> 37486
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
David,
What was the purpose? To what end did you X-rate the package?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37484 Dated 19:33:53 03-18-92 37317 <--> 37491
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Pete,
I guess that I have the same mentality as the masses. I usually
will perform, if asked nicely, and with a receptice crowd. I
enjoy performing.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37486 Dated 19:34:09 03-18-92 37319 <--> 37488
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Pete,
The only cases of cheating that I'm personally aware of in Vegas
involved a pair of people doing much as you said. Then the
dealer would cheat the other patrons so that his cash would come
out about right at the end of the day.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37487 Dated 19:34:18 03-18-92 37320 <--> 37489
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Pete,
I'm sure you're right about Lance Burton's show. The reason I
pointed out the fact that I've never seen the whole show, was
because I felt sure that there must be more to him than what I've
seen. Mostly I was trying to make a point.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37488 Dated 19:34:27 03-18-92 37323 <--> 37490
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Pete,
I'd be happy to buy your friend dinner and a show for some
discussion. It sounds like he'd be a very educational friend to
know!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37489 Dated 19:34:35 03-18-92 37332 <--> 37504
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Frank,
Are you performing anywhere?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37490 Dated 19:34:43 03-18-92 37345 <--> 37498
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Max,
I need to take you to some of the casinos downtown. I've sat at
tables where the dealer consistanly had to re-shuffle half-way
through a hand because he ran out of cards.
Maybe he's heading for a one way trip, but I'm glad he gives me
the cab-fare.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37491 Dated 19:34:52 03-18-92 37377 <--> 37495
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Philip,
(and anyone else) I'll be at the Castle tomorrow (Thursday)
night. If you're feeling sociable, let me know.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37492 Dated 20:15:11 03-18-92 37467 <--> 37496
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: STUFF
Hope I had correct address, got it out of Magic Menu... Noe Place?
Msg #37493 Dated 20:15:14 03-18-92 37469 <--> 37503
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACADEMY AWARDS
I should have gone. I bought my Oak/Las Veg tickets toooooo long
ago and couldn't change 'em. Darn. Fooo. You think anybody on
MAGIC! has enuf Dough to PAY to go? You should have asked for a
Press Seat! Hah. Dante will be there, hope he logs on.
Msg #37494 Dated 20:15:19 03-18-92 37481 <--> 37501
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SLEEP
Likewise. Every time I pick up the Nelms book I fall asleep.
Frankly I believe FIRMLY you are born with the ability to be a
P E R F O R M E R . . . and CAN, however refine the ability with
study and work. Mostly work.
Msg #37495 Dated 20:27:31 03-18-92 37484 <--> 37505
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I will work (perform) if A: Conditions are right. B: Chemistry is
right (that includes the way they ask and who, etc. is there).
Probably the conditions being right is most important. And I don't
just mean good light, table, etc., I mean that the audience as a
whole will pay attention. You can sense when the rest of the folks
want to keep doing what they are doing, and maybe don't want to
be "taxed" to pay attention to something.
.
I had an observation about why rock concert music is so loud. It
is perfect for couples attending... they don't have to talk to
one another... they can't for one thing, so it takes the heat off
of them to have conversational skills.... hmmmmm
Msg #37496 Dated 20:26:53 03-18-92 37492 <--> 37516
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
That's the correct address, even though we're moving from 40 to 21 Noe
Place. It's a small town, though...they'll find us. Is the stuff
coming UPS or U.S. Mail?
Msg #37498 Dated 20:27:51 03-18-92 37486 <--> 37499
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
There are many ways to do it. Most are inside. Dealer and partner.
You don't need to be too greedy, and it will go unnoticed.
Msg #37499 Dated 20:27:55 03-18-92 37488 <--> 37502
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Some day. He is staying low profile for now.
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