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Msg #37500 Dated 21:01:52 03-18-92 37473 <--> 37523
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Yes, the interview was pretty good. Thanks for the tip!
Msg #37501 Dated 21:03:39 03-18-92 37481 <--> 37542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SLEEP
Lately I've been very interested in theoretical underpinnings and
performance value, so have been re-reading a lot of stuff about it. I
think that there are different strokes for different folks, so Nelms
and Burger aren't necessarily for everyone. You may enjoy a review of
the book though and may find some inspiration in it.
Msg #37502 Dated 21:06:00 03-18-92 37483 <--> 37564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Well, it is a long story... but basically, my team was assigned chapter
seven of Experimental and Quasi-experimental Designs for Research. We
knew the guys in charge of producing the video companions to the first
chapters and they were dull, boring types. So, we figured that by
chapter seven everyone needed a lift.
Our topic was one of the quasi-experimental designs, one in which you
perform a series of tests and observations over time. So... we got a
couple and had them explain the whole thing while lying nude on the
floor. You can guess what the "experiments" were, and, in between,
they showed and discussed the statistical formulas - writing the
formulas on various parts of each other's anatomies.
It was brilliant, inspired, creative! And it made it three rungs of
the ladder before it was shredded and we were sent back to the salt
mines.
Msg #37503 Dated 21:13:09 03-18-92 37493 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ACADEMY AWARDS
I'd thought of that. Just didn't have the time this year. Maybe will
Press them next year - after all, we do provide instantaneous global
coverage.
Msg #37504 Dated 22:01:54 03-18-92 37259 <--> 37517
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
RE: your message 37259- ITS EASIER TO CHEAT THAN COUNT
Just get all the magi at DMS to sit at the same Blackjack tables.
EVERYONE crimp the 10 value cards. Doesn't take long to cycle through
even 6 decks. All but the dealer will know his hole card. If not
dealing from a shoe would even know if next card to be dealt is 10
spot. Even if they change decks no prob as cards get cycled through so
fast. Players would even leave the game and it would be set up for the
next set of players.......
Won't log on again until I see you. See ya there.
Msg #37505 Dated 22:02:53 03-18-92 37175 <--> 37506
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Sorry Kevin, the bent coin trick is not new. I used to do it all the
time. I have not done it for several years as a bent coin can really
wear a hole in your pocket. Here is the real work on it. Use a half
dollar it is easier to see. Do the flexing illusion by holding the coin
in front of you grasping an edge with each hand. Coin should be
perpendicular to the floor facing audience. Move your hands back and
forth as though flexing the coin. It will really appear to bend. This
is an old gag like the rubberized pencil. Have another half dollar
really bent at about a 45 degree angle. This should be finger palmed
as you do the flex illusion. A lot of people know the flexing illusion
and are not impressed (at this point) Now comes the hard part. As you
stop the flex movement, in one motion, take the coin away with the
right hand, lower it to the table, backpalm it and toss out the bent
fingerpalmed coin. They will be amazed and focused on the bent coin.
Withdraw your hand naturally and recover the backpalmed coin to classic
palm. After they have examined the bent coin, pick it up or take it
from them. Shuttle pass to the other hand. This switches the coins.
Keep the receiving hand closed and obviously squeeze hard on it saying
you need to return it to its original shape AS IT IS TOMMORROW'S LUNCH
MONEY. Show the flattened coin and pocket it.
Msg #37506 Dated 23:29:34 03-18-92 37423 <--> 37507
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
It is an insult because it is not a request they would make of other
professionals; they wouldn't ask an auditor to check their bankbook, an
architect to appraise their house. Implicit in the request is the
assumption that what you do is not a real -- or valuable -- profession.
Msg #37507 Dated 1:27:10 03-19-92 37506 <--> 37511
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Oh, I think you'd be surprised! Maybe they wouldn't drag an auditor
into their study to check their bankbook, but anyone who's skill is
"portable" and of whom the requestor can make a request without having
to produce anything (i.e. their bankbook) does, sooner or later,
generally get asked. Doctors, psychologists, lawyers, hairdressers,
telephone sanitizers, entertainers, and, for all I know, Indian Chiefs.
I simply have difficulty with the notion that "implicit in the request
is the assumption that what you do is not a real -- or valuable --
profession." I think it is very real to them and that they are aware
that you posess a unique and valuable talent - one which they are
intrigued by.
Msg #37509 Dated 1:40:12 03-19-92 -> 37510
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: BANQUET
Here are the awards given out at the banquet:
Member-voted awards:
Lecture: John Carney
Parlour: John Carney
Close-Up: Martin Nash
Stage: Christopher Hart
Magician of the Year: Lance Burton
Fellowships:
Literary: Bascom Jones
Performing: Don Alan
Creative: Don Wayne
Special: Marshall Brodien
Lifetime: Edwin Hooper
Masters: Siegfried & Roy
Msg #37510 Dated 2:40:51 03-19-92 37509 <--> 37521
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BANQUET
Wow! THANKS, MAX! Your posting of the Academy Awards is appreciated!
Msg #37511 Dated 2:42:11 03-19-92 37507 <--> 37518
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I've been ruminating on this for the remainder of the evening. And I
have a suggestion for you - next time tell them you are a computer
programmer. You will find that there is an even lower Hell than being
asked to perform - it is the one in which they immediately begin to
tell you all about their computer. Not bringing a problem, merely
informing you.
The problem comes from the de rigour question, "What do you do?"
Personally, I wish people wouldn't ask!
But, the direction I was attempting to steer the conversation in
originally was about finding a polite way to turn down a request; one
which preserves one's magical mystique (I didn't like "I only know how
to do stage magic").
So - here is my current favorite (untested):
Host: "David, would you perform some magic for us?"
Me : "Why certainly! I'd be delighted! Let's summon Azuzel."
(Producing large marker pen out of pocket and gesturing toward
center of floor)
"I'll begin to draw a Pentagram here on the floor and you see
if you can find five large black candles."
Msg #37513 Dated 5:57:24 03-19-92 -> 37514
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: DESERT MAGIC SEMINAR
Well I'm off to Las Vegas in a couple of hours. Hope to see everyone
there. Will have one of the local college kids along, Peter Fryer.
Its his first major convention and he's a little nervouse. He asked if
I minded if he pal-ed around with me cause he wasn't going to know
anyone. Hey, I told him, I need all the pals I can get!
Charlie
Msg #37514 Dated 6:02:20 03-19-92 37513 <-
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC SEMINAR
Well, you're invited to our pizza and fun party Fnight and you and he
can meet and have some fun. 9:30 Trop lobby is whewill meet. Hope to
see you there!
Msg #37515 Dated 6:32:23 03-19-92 37480 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS
Great. I'll holler at you when I get it.
Msg #37516 Dated 7:29:32 03-19-92 37496 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: STUFF
US Fed. Govt. Actual Snail (altho Priority) Mail. Good luck.
Msg #37517 Dated 7:29:35 03-19-92 37504 <--> 37529
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Easier to Daub than Crimp.
Msg #37518 Dated 7:29:38 03-19-92 37505 <--> 37519
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I have a couple of "funny" coins. One is a rolled up half dollar.
I switch and put it into a bottle. Other has a hinge soldered to it.
Argh?
Msg #37519 Dated 7:29:43 03-19-92 37506 <--> 37520
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Well, It isn't an insult because: (according to the majority of
messages) Most Magicians Aren't very good. So, the people thay
hang out with are at the same mental level, so then it is just one
dummy talking to another. Duh?
Msg #37520 Dated 7:29:49 03-19-92 37507 <--> 37522
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Oooops... tea water is hot, I think... I hear something... Hey,
I just figgered... If I moved the PC into the kitchen... nah...
Then where would I keep the motorcycles...
Msg #37521 Dated 7:29:54 03-19-92 37509 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BANQUET
Thanks, Max. Your report was just like being there!
Msg #37522 Dated 7:29:57 03-19-92 37511 <--> 37526
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
When asked what I do... I sometimes say, "I am a Blimp Handler."
They say, "What?" "You know, one of the guys that grabs the ropes
that hang down when a blimp comes in to land!"
.
A friend of mine actually came up with that. He was in an unemploy-
ment office looking for a dept. to HIRE SOMEONE... but hit a
person that was interviewing folks OUT OF WORK... she asked and
he hit her with that answer!
.
I love it!
Msg #37523 Dated 7:53:25 03-19-92 37500 <--> 37528
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
You're welcome. I had a show last night in Beverly Hills. Didn't
think I was going to get by the Awards show, but much to my suprise I
did. I landed about nine or so and had a wonderful. Figure I'll let
someone else who was there for the whole thing do the review. Walked
in the door and ran into Lance and his Mom. Got to have a nice visit
them as well as many others friends from out of town, like Jay Marshall
and Steve Redman. Also got a chance to chat with Ernie Borgenine (it's
late I think I just spelt his name wrong). Ernie was in a film I
produced a few years back. What a wonderful guy. Full of life and an
idol for many years. Sorry you didn't get a chance to attend. I am
glad I was able to drop by for a while. Are you going to the DMS? I
am stuck here on movie stuff, but might fly over for a day to run into
friends at the bar(s). Hope all is well with you and yours. MIKE.
Msg #37526 Dated 8:22:43 03-19-92 37520 <--> 37527
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
You're making tea in the kitchen? I thought you were already in
Veglas! Or did you book a suite?
MAGIC! did its thing again last night. MAX was great! He came home
from the Accademy Banquet and posted the awards. The news was around
the World before dawn.
Msg #37527 Dated 8:25:32 03-19-92 37522 <--> 37533
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I don't think I look burly enough to be a blimp handler, otherwise I'd
try the idea! How about a goldfish tank cleaner? There is a thing
called the Dictionary of Occupational Titles, put out by the
government. Has about 100,000 different real jobs, along with an
analysis of the skill levels of the people holding 'em. Guess I'll
have to find Magician someday and see what it says.
In truth, I HATE the "What do you do" question. Why should I be
judged/valued by something so silly as my job title?
Msg #37528 Dated 8:28:54 03-19-92 37523 <--> 37535
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Glad you got to the Awards. And yes, I'm going to DMS. Trying
frantically to get out the door right now, but had to have one last
sign on to MAGIC!
Msg #37529 Dated 10:04:46 03-19-92 37489 <--> 37543
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I was working as a bar magician fro the last 8 monthe6{#EtE>.I just
quit because if+{>*c%+Got tired of working Minnt#7*Midnight to 8 am.I
also do private parties:E %t.
Msg #37531 Dated 14:36:52 03-19-92
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVE AND PETE
Re: DMS YOWSUH!!!
OK, you guys. Has DMS started yet??? Did Burton get the package I sent
him at the trop???
Msg #37533 Dated 14:57:38 03-19-92 37519 <--> 37544
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
You have, in the approved Aztec tradition, cut to the heart of the
matter.
Msg #37534 Dated 16:04:20 03-19-92 -> 37538
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: FLAKES
Hey Now!
Whats going on here? Is thaere someone out to get the compititon
magicians? This sat. I was booked to do a show, sent out show agreement
(as usual) and since I did not get it back, I follow up with a phone
call. S.O.P.. ok phonr disconnected. so since it is a local show, I
decide to cruse by the address, as it turnes out the address did not
exist!!! Have any other of youse guys ever experience? Flakey pa Whats
with these people?
Msg #37535 Dated 17:13:11 03-19-92 37528 <--> 37547
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
Have fun. Don't forget to give us "lowly" creatures a report from
paradise. Talk to ya later. MIKE.
Msg #37538 Dated 19:48:48 03-19-92 37534 <--> 37599
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FLAKES
Be thankful you didn't send your equipment there! Good rule of thumb
is to check out the place before you agree to do the show, just to get
a feeling for it. Ask who they have booked before, how the other
performer stacked up, blah, blah. Then call that guy and see what he
has to say about the booking. Sorry you had such a bad experience. I
hope things are going better for you!
Msg #37541 Dated 3:05:34 03-20-92 -> 37600
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: NEW BOOK
Just finished reading Calvin Trillin's new book "AMERICAN
STORIES" and in it is a chapter devoted to Penn & Teller. This
book is comprised of a series of articles that Trillin wrote for
the New Yorker under the American Journal title. Trillin delves
into the past of both Penn Jillette and Teller as well as how
they came up with their performing style, interesting background
reading for anyone who likes P&T.
.
Besides the P&T piece there are quite a few others that are
enjoyable, including one about Joe Bob Briggs, the guy who is
famous for his reviews of drive-in movies (bad "B" flicks).
Trillin in my eyes has always been a consumate reporter and
humorist and this book doesn't let one down. It's published by
Tickner and Fields and runs about $20.00
.
TONY (aka Blindo the Reading Boy)
Msg #37542 Dated 4:33:58 03-20-92 37501 <--> 37601
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Your interest in theory should produce a new thread. In many
books there is good theory. Everyone might contribute some that
the others have missed. I might start with the new Carney and
Klause books. Very important chapters.
Msg #37543 Dated 4:34:06 03-20-92 37504 <--> 37572
From: CY KELLER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I understand that many games are played with the player's cards
face up and one is not permitted to touch the cards. How can you
crimp or daub the 10's?
Msg #37544 Dated 4:34:14 03-20-92 37505 <--> 37545
From: CY KELLER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Wow! Can you really do that? What is the back-palm? Goshman
Pinch?
Msg #37545 Dated 4:34:20 03-20-92 37507 <--> 37562
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Talk is cheap. I've found that ALL professions are questoned
about their expertise. This is a form of politeness to ask
someone about their field. Where the talk goes too far into
detailed advice, the professional usually asks the questioner to
call him at his office and the questions can be followed.
.
Thus someone will probably ask yo about the latest Copperfield
show or what you think of some performer. If they ask to see some
magic, the equivalent would be to mention some performance they
might attend.
Msg #37547 Dated 4:34:46 03-20-92 37466 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID C. INTERVIEW
The interview with Larry King was very good. Clips from the TV
show. Flying, Girl penetrates body and SHrinks himself. Usual
questions on what is an illusionist, how to develop a new trick,
and Houdini. Copperfield admidts to being fooled only by close-up
workers. Mention of the buying of the Mulholland Collection. Lot
of information and very well done.
Msg #37548 Dated 4:38:19 03-20-92 -> 37578
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: HENNING
The following is from USA TODAY.
DREAM PARK
MAharishi's trancendental recreation
From wire reports
.
Yogi Bear has Jellystone Park. Now, another Yogi is starting his
own park.
.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Indian spiritual leader famous for
advocating trancendental medetation, is advising on Maharishi
Veda Land on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls.
.
Magicain Doug Henning is supervising the project. Construction
will begin this summer on the $1.25 billion park. Henning says.
For your $18 admission ticket you'll be able to.
.
>Watch a building appear to levitate 15 feet above a pool of
water.
>Take a ride through the seven states of consciousness.
>See an exhibit explain the mysteries of the universe.
"To awaken man's spirit - that is our lofty goal," Henning
says. _Veda_ means wisdom.
.
Hewnning says Maharishi Veda Land Inc. plans three more parks,
including one next to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. Other
possible sites are in Japan and the Netherlands. The 14,000-acre
Niagra Falls site will include housing, a Maharishi Vedic
university and a conference center.
Msg #37549 Dated 12:58:21 03-20-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DMS #1
OK, I know its been a day and a half and there has been no DMS
report yet. It is no excuse, but I got in at 3:30 a.m. and
didn't want to wake Anita and Nathan with fooling with the modem.
.
Here's the way I saw it, and Pete is looking over my shoulder.
Last night's Arabian Nights party was GREAT! Some really fun
costumes - although in my opinion not one person was
authentically in Arabian attire - there was _not_ _one_ _machine_
_gun_ in the whole place! And not one person tried to hold the
DMS hostage. Food was good - Arabian Egg Rolls, Arabian Swedish
Meatballs and genuine Arabian Pizza. It really was fun!
.
The opening Comedy Challenge Show was not so much fun. Something
just wasn't clicking, and with few exceptions, if there had been
a hook, it would have been freely used. The haunting thought is
that Pete and the committee very carefully selected these
finalists as the best of the contestants - no wonder he griped
about the chore of watching the tapes!
.
There were some VERY creative concepts, but, truthfully, faced
with the huge stage of the Tropicanna's Tiffany theater, and over
900 people in attendance, most of the acts just couldn't project
well enough to score. Almost everyone tried to do things that
were just plain too small and they didn't know how to get
themselves and their stuff across the footlights. Timing was, in
many cases, non-existant. When you play a setting that big, you
have to play bigger - your parlour act won't cut it. Oh, well,
Pete promises us a stronger second half.
.
This morning I only caught a bit of Aldo Colombini's Show and
Lecture. It was good. But then I was at the Rene Levand Show
and Lecture. Rene really truly is incredible! And Joe Stevens
has provided a VERY GOOD setup for close-up lectures, with good
video camera work and huge monitors. Rene Levand clearly does
things with one arm that other magi can't do with three. But,
even working with a translator (Tina Lenert), it is clear that it
is the mind of Rene Levand that even transcends the hand. A
super session!
.
Now it is off to the second Comedy Challenge Show - sure hope
Pete is right! I will try to get back on-line sometime this
evening. This time, I'm on Pete's bill, so I'm not even going to
try to read any messages - just send this one and get off. Sure
hope our mass of reporters here can collect their minds and file
some reports!
Msg #37551 Dated 7:37:49 03-21-92 37109 <--> 37553
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VACATION
That may be a while...
Msg #37553 Dated 7:46:55 03-21-92 37551 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: VACATION
Okay.
Msg #37555 Dated 11:00:34 03-21-92 -> 37556
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FROG CALLED
Just got a call from the Sysop. He was complaining about being
in Vegas, staying across town, not having his big computer with
him (using a Tandy 100), etc. Actually, he is mostly having a
goodtime. Also talked with Burton The Bizarre who is unflappable
as always. He reported that the Comedy/Magic Challenge was over
but didn't give me any details.
.
David will post a full report when he gets back to LA. I think Pete
has already split LV to go to work at a race and we'll be hearing
from him shortly also.
.
David Lichtman said that the second half of the Comedy/Magic Challenge
was better than the first. Magicians still don't understand
Sylvester The Jester and Gazzo has a shot at first place. I, for
one, am interested in hearing the complete report as Comedy/
Magic is an area I'm personally interested in.
.
Anyway, I've got to meet a guy at the club so I can tune my piano
so we might have a shot at not getting fired tonight. I'll check
back later.
Msg #37556 Dated 15:42:23 03-21-92 37555 <--> 37593
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Thanks for the update. Due to unanticipated circumstances I had to
cancel my vacation this week and was unable to attend DMS. After
hearing what a great time you all had last year I was looking forward
to it this year. Well, perhaps NEXT year! I hope you get that piano
tuned- no one can afford to get fired nowadays. Adios friend.
Msg #37557 Dated 15:45:53 03-21-92 -> 37569
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
I thought I would fill you in on a little more about the awards banquet
other than the vital statistics of who won what. I had never been to
one before and I heard that it was something fun to do- once. It's a
bit on the pricey side- $95 a person but you get to spend an evening
with many of magics luminaries and getting a taste of the life of the
rich and famous. The event was held at the Regent Beverly Wilshire
Hotel in Beverly Hills. A large splendid hotel where I'm sure you can
expect to pay a couple hundred a night to stay. After having the valet
take your car or in some cases, after the limo driver drops you off out
front, you enter and make your way to the reception area. 99% of the
men are in tuxedos and their wives or dates are also dressed for an
elegant evening. We were met by Bill Larsen the president for life of
the Magic Castle and we were quickly offered our favorite libations by
the numerous waiters hovering about. From 6:30 to 7:30 the large
reception area filled with the great, the not so great and the unknowns
(like me) all hob-nobbing about. Eyes darting about to see who's who,
who's where and what they're wearing. At about 7:30 the doors opened
into the main room where we were to be seated and it was quite a sight.
Opulent to be sure but tastefully so. The huge room had a domed
ceiling with a single chandelier that was maybe 15 feet in diameter.
There were no pillars so everyone had an unobstructed of the entire
room and stage. There were approximately 75 tables each seating 10 to
12 people and most of the tables looked full. It was easy to make
small talk with everyone since we all had magic in common an few of us
had ever experienced an evening in a setting as nice as that. I
noticed lots of finely carved multi-colored marbel for railings,
statues and more chandeliers. I'm sure a lot of rich and famous people
have been here before us. Some of the rich or at least famous people
I saw included Sigfried (sp?) and Roy, Lance Burton, Channing Pollock
(sp again?) Max Maven, Tony Giorgio, Johnny Thompson, Bruce Cervon, Ron
Wilson, Marvyn Roy, John Carney, Martin Nash, and a ton of others too
numerous to list. Neil Patrick Harris (Doogie Howser M.D.) who is also
an amateur magician presented an award as well as Ernest Borgnine and
Zsa Zsa Gabor. (She's still ranting about that Beverly Hills cop she
had a run in with) In between awards they had slow dancing to a 30's
type band. Glenn Miller stuff which was the right speed for the event.
I should probably mention that dinner was filet mignon, with some
obscure veggies and an oddly prepared potatoe of sorts. Quite good
actually. The baked alaska for dessert was my favorite though with a
couple cups of Gevalia coffee. Mmmm!
The Barans performed some magic later in the evening which was in my
opinion just an ok performance. They had quite an audience to try to
impress! What I did like was their version of metamorphosis which is
done in a clear plexiglass type box which is never out of view. I
thought that was a wonderful presentation.
The awards themselves seemed to take awhile to present and the end of
the evening the crowd was visibly tired. It went on until nearly
midnight and being in the middle of the week I'm sure a lot of working
stiffs like me were feeling their enthusiasm wane a bit after 5 hours
or so.
All in all it was an interesting evening. I guess I'm glad I went but
I doubt that I'll go again at those prices. I imagine that the regular
paying folks have to make up for the invited guests who I am guessing
get the evening gratis. If it appeals to you to be among the who's who
in magic and "Put on the Ritz" then by all means try to attend next
year. It will be the 25th anniversary and perhaps it will be even
better than this year.
Msg #37558 Dated 16:47:01 03-21-92 -> 37559
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Well, there have been more than a few logistical erorrs on my part
this year. The major one was forgetting to get myself booked into
the Tropicanna. I'm here at the Flamingo Hilton, which is a really
nice place, but it has meant that I am away from access to the
computer unless I come back here. And since I haven't been here a
lot, except for when Anita and Nathan have been asleep,
communications have been a real mess. Also, I brought a small,
inadequate laptop this year, so I can't really read or respond to
messages on-line -- can only report.
.
Here is some big news -- the announcement of the contest winners, if
Pete or someone hasn't beaten me to it already.
.
First Place -- VIC & FABRINI -- From San Paolo, Brazil. A very well
done act, with one playing the part of a mechanical man.
.
Second Place -- SCOTT CERVINE
.
Third Place -- TONY CHAPEK
.
BUT -- here is even BIGGER NEWS -- the Annual MAGIC! Awards! Each
year we honor some of the individuals who have made outstanding
contributions to MAGIC! around the World.
.
This year the MAGIC! Advisory Board recommended two special awards:
.
A "MAGIC!'s Special Thanks" Award to JOE, MARTHA, AND AMY STEVENS
for the special effort they have gone to, and the cordiallity they
have shown, in providing for the Annual MAGIC! Meeting to be a part
of the Desert Magic Seminar.
.
The "MAGIC! Member of Honor" Award to TOMMY WONDER for "His
dedication and his willingness to share, which serve as an
inspiration to us all."
.
Thanks to Mr. Tabby Crabb of Conjurer's Woodworks, each of the above
received a special Conjurer's Woodworks Magic Wand as a part of
their Award.
.
Our highest award, the GOLD DISKETTE, is NOT given on an annual
basis, but only when it is singularly deserved. Last year there
were two GOLD DISKETTE Award winners, PETE BIRO and TABBY CRABB.
I'm please to say that this year there were again TWO GOLD DISKETTE
Award winners! For outstanding contributions to the World of
MAGIC!:
.
JERRY BURTON for the creation of IMP!/RDMAGIC, and,
.
ARNAUD VAN RIETSCHOTEN for the creation of MAGIC-NL in the
Netherlands and for his dedication as Sysop of that System.
.
The Awards for Arnaud Van Rietschoten and Tommy Wonder will be sent
to MAGIC-NL along with a copy of the video of the presentation
ceremony.
.
CONGRATULATIONS to all the Award winners!
Msg #37559 Dated 2:01:03 03-22-92 37558 <--> 37571
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Well, I made it to Seattle! Argh.. tired. Yo bet. the comedy
Challenge RESULTS were amazing. The Top three... Vic and Fabrini,
Scott Cervine and Tony Chapek were reported. A note: On that show
almost the entire cast had or will soon, be booked at the Crazy
Horse in Paris. Vic and Fabrini are there now, took a few days
off to fly here to compete. Rudy Coby has worked there, and also
a non contestant, Tom Mullica was there for about three years (he
was on the show) and Kevin James is booked to go there for the
summer.
.
An amazing observation. NONE of the Comedy Club types scored at
all with the Magicalumpkin audience. They were too hip for the
magic oriented folks. Only Gazoo Macee came close... and he is a
street performer. His opening was KILLER. The curtain opened and
you didn't see him. THere was a voice, calling for "JOe"... then
saying, "I can't work, Joe, go to to go home... " etec. and finally
he came out of the audience and onto the stage.
.
He was the FIRST worker to link with the audience...
.
Altho Scott Cervine (who was on the first show) placed second... he,
in fact was really the First Show winner!!!
.
rudy Coby's new stuff is KILLER, but many said "it isn't comedy"...
All in all... the event overall was exceptionally good. With
Rene Levand and Lennert Green, AND FINN JON... you didn't need
any more.
.
I'm sorry I had to leave and miss the final day, the party and the
Backstage Tour at the Mirage... but biz is biz...
.
I make more money in ONE DAY shooting these race ads, then I do
all month working my 9-5 editing job!!! So had to fly...
.
I hope others will post messages. Am tired, it is late and we
were working like fools ungil midnight at the Kingdome after flying
Msg #37560 Dated 9:41:17 03-22-92 -> 37623
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
Where is everybody? DMS was over yesteday!! ARgh... all alone up here
in Seattle and SEVEN hours before my flight. Maybe can go get on
standby.
.
More on DMS? Well, lets see.... Lectures were as good as you would
want. Finn Jon, Lennert Green, Aldo Columbini and Rene Levand. Wow.
Colombini had a great cup and ball routine. He a sequence where he was
gong to have a ball go thru the table... it wouldn't but zammo... a
CUP went thru... caught me by surprise.
.
Finn Jon's NEW act... lots of good stuff. Basic premise was built
around an effect created by Fred Kaps... which Kaps gave me... and I
decided it s too good to keep for myself so I taught it to Finn. Can't
give it away here, or anywere... but it was a REAL TREAT to see him do
it and get such a great reaction on stage.
.
Mullica's "tight" Crazy Horse act was flawless and hilarious. Bits of
business with the bubble gum... changing to a pink balloon... GREAT.
Tommy tells me his club is SET and will be very near the new MGM Grand
and the Tropicana Corner... he is really excited about it.
.
Great Tomsoni hinted that his show, "Les Sorcery" may be going to
Broadway!!!! And.... John is said to be close to a DEAL with the new
Kirkorian-backed MGM Grand for a major show!!!! Let's hope so...
.
Hey, online, long distance, got to run... adios muchachos y muchachas!
Msg #37562 Dated 13:59:15 03-22-92 37495 <--> 37566
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Pete,
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT on when to perform when asked. Some hosts feel
a responsibility to ask someone to perform. This is not always
(or even often) a good idea.
But when conditions are right, it can be a kick. I've gotten
work from such conditions with the music.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37564 Dated 13:59:33 03-22-92 37498 <--> 37565
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Pete,
I'm sure there are people who make a good living cheating, but it
doesn't seem like you could get rich doing it. Am I mistaken?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37565 Dated 13:59:41 03-22-92 37502 <--> 37582
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Okay, I give. How do you "get a couple?"
"Hi there, we're doing a sex film for education, and wondered if
you'd mind coupling while we watch?"
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37566 Dated 13:59:49 03-22-92 37505 <--> 37567
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Burt,
I'm glad to hear that you use a different bent coin than I do.
I borrow a coin, in good lighting show them the coin, bend it in
front of their eyes, and give them the bent coin as a permanant
reminder. (ala Michael Ammar)
I just need to figure a way to attach a business card.
p.s. thanks for the inside dope on the Castle. I really enjoyed
finding all the effects you told me about.
p.p.s also thanks for the Zaney Blaney tape. I'll get it back to
you anytime you'd like. Good stuff from the Castle also. Why
don't you give me a call on your way home one night, and I'll buy
you dinner.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37567 Dated 14:00:00 03-22-92 37506 <--> 37580
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
T. A.,
I guess it is possible to be insulted about anything. I
personally don't feel that way, but am glad that I know you do.
If we are ever in a social gathering, I'll just hope you offer to
show some effect. I won't ask.
By the way, I got a chance to see your video. You've got some
good stuff there. When are you scheduled to perform again? I'd
like to come down and see.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37568 Dated 14:12:06 03-22-92 -> 37621
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: ARTICLE
I am truly sorry if I offended anyone by my candid opinion of the
Copperfield article in MAGIC. It was just a personal viewpoint,
nothing more, and if anyone's feelings got hurt I appologize sincerely.
Love to all
Stace
Msg #37569 Dated 14:31:52 03-22-92 37557 <--> 37570
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Stan,
Sorry you couldn't make it to DMS. "Life is what happens to you
while you're making other plans."
Good to see you here again. When do you want to get together?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37570 Dated 14:32:01 03-22-92 37557 <--> 37587
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Stan,
Thanks for the update on the banquet. I think next year we'll
try to make it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37571 Dated 14:32:09 03-22-92 37558 <--> 37620
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Politics! That's all it was. That's why I didn't win! I should
have won! Geez! If it wasn't so much an old boys club, they
would have picked me!
(hee hee, it's more fun not to win.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37572 Dated 14:32:17 03-22-92 37517 <--> 37573
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Pete,
Where does one buy daub?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37573 Dated 14:32:24 03-22-92 37529 <--> 37583
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Frank,
I hope to meet you some one of these days. Within the next month
or so, I hope to go and see Geno's show. Maybe you'll let me buy
you dinner?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #37577 Dated 16:21:47 03-22-92 -> 37584
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: FOR SALE.
For Sale! Stamp Collectors note! A magician depicted on a
postage stamp! Who you may wonder? He is listed in Bart Whaleys Who's
Who in magic. Emil Kio, born Moscow Russia April 10, 1894, died DEC 19,
1965. Stage name of Emil Feodorovich Hirschfeld-Renard. Pro circus
Illusionist in 1939, named Peoples Artist of the RSFSR. Wrote 110 page
Tricks and Tricksters in 1958 in Russian which was one of the first two
magic books published in the Soviet Union. I have only 3 of these, so
leave me a message as to who wants them. They are 5.00 each.
Msg #37578 Dated 16:45:26 03-22-92 37548 <--> 37615
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HENNING
Cy...
This seems like the same publicity stuff that Henning and the Yogi
(Bear or Bera) released a couple of years ago (see past issues of Stan
Allen's Inside Magic). Seems that this info. appears everyonce in a
while and then we never hear or see anythong about this again. The
first times they were planning to build in Orlando next to DisnyeWorld.
The big hook that time was that a major theme park was going to be
built with a magic bent to it and that it was to be designed by a major
magician, but they wouldn't release the name. For quite a while rumors
abounded about who it would be, Copperfield, Blackstone, S&R and then
it was revealed that it was Henning. I saw a three page story/spread on
Henning's life with the Mahareshi in Life magazine a short time later
(complete with pix) that told about his departure from magic, his
meeting and marrying Debbie and how he moved to India and sold all his
worldly possessions. It even included a picture of a model of the park.
.
Of course you've heard of the new theme park being built in Guianna
(sp?) its called JonesWorld and there is an incredible jungle ride
including a visit to a small airport where there is one of those
shoot-em-up shows and their specialty is chilled grape Kool-Aid and
grape popsicles....I can hardly look forward!
.
TONY (Culto the Lemming Boy)
Msg #37580 Dated 18:30:31 03-22-92 37562 <--> 37598
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
One of the MAJOR points FINN JON makes in his lecture is the ability
to really BE READY and to BE A MAGICIAN at all times. To always be
ready to perform when asked and be ready to do something fantastic.
.
And he truly has those kinds of things. Almost everything that he
performs with are ordinary objects. Cigars, Tennis Balls, Money,
Kitchen Spatulas.... etc.
Msg #37582 Dated 18:30:41 03-22-92 37564 <--> 37595
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
My friend says, "all I have to show for fifty years of crossroading
is property, jewelry and cash!"
Msg #37583 Dated 18:30:45 03-22-92 37572 <--> 37606
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
What kind of daub do you want? If you are serious, let me know
in a private message.
Msg #37584 Dated 18:30:49 03-22-92 37577 <--> 37640
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
The stamps or the books?
Msg #37585 Dated 18:25:56 03-22-92 -> 37627
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: DMS AND ME
Just got back from DMS and it was absolutely terrific! I don't think
I have ever enjoyed a seminar more than this one! Being a little new
to magic (seven years worth) I wandered around like a wide-eyed child
taking everything in and just LISTENING and WATCHING. I am not sure if
anyone else ever felt this way, but after awhile you see things that
are really nice, but you always look for moments where you go back to
that first incredible feeling you had when you saw your very first
effect. And you hope that someday, something will get you to that
exhilleration again. Well, for me, that happened. It wasn't magic per
se, but I was seated right up against the stage during Sigfried and
Roys backstage tour. I was impressed by the video, but felt a little
sad that it wasn't live and since I didn't know the line up, I wasn't
prepared for what came next. Suddenly I was engulfed in fog and as the
stage darkened, there was a terrifying roar and out came the dragon!
Mind you, I was approximately ten feet away and looking straight up
into this laser-eyed monster! For a moment, I experienced nothing but
sheer terror! Then it dissolved into child-like hysteria and I was
absolutely awe-struck. NOTHING could have matched this in LIFE! I
cannot think of a word that is strong enough to describe the myriad of
emotion I experienced during this wonderful interlude in the seminar.
It was just incredible! Sigfried and Roy have it all, everything, the
whole enchilada. Now I have to go back and see the show. Again, and
again, and again.
Other highs for me was meeting Max Maven, who just blew me away with
his knowledge and intensity. Again, not enough words to describe the
experience. He's awesome!
Karrel Fox and Billy Mc Comb signing my jacket for me. Again, I
couldn't squeak out an intelligent conversation. Just too shy. The
lectures! Aldo Columbini was great. I learned so much from him! Finn
Jon and his bubbles...beautiful...Lance Burton's show was absolutely
stunning! First time I had ever heard him TALK! I had seen him
several times, but never in a speaking situation. And as an alumni of
University of Kentucky, I recognized that soft southern charm. Lance
is just incredible. What a show!
Where I would most like to have been and wasn't: I asked if my jacket
could go backstage and be signed by Lance. It took a few minutes and
Lance's assistant came back and appologized for the delay, but Lance
was just stepping out of the shower when he signed my jacket. Oh, oh,
oh...now THAT was a happy jacket! Plus I got to hold one of Lance's
doves for a minute and as the little creature perched unobtrusively on
my shoulder, I remembered what Roy had said about animals. It was a
special moment.
I cannot wait until NEXT year's DMS. Joe Stevens did a wonderful job
as did everyone connected in any way. You were all fantastic and you
made me one very happy magician!
Love and magic
Stace
Msg #37586 Dated 20:13:29 03-22-92 -> 37628
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: ALL
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
The Big Island Magic Club was treated to a wonderful lecture by Tim
Wenk last weekend and wow did we appreciate the chance to learn and
watch a true professional at work. Someties we feel so isolated hee in
paradise. So dont forget to let us know if you are going to visiting
the island and we will arrange a get together. And we have set our
date for our seventh annual magic spectacular for february 27,1993 and
we are looking for a mainland performer......no pay.....free hotel room
...food....car......some airfare......lots of aloha.
Msg #37587 Dated 21:04:10 03-22-92 37569 <--> 37618
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Lori and I still go most Saturday evenings although we haven't been in
the last month or so until last weekend. It seems that a lot of people
were at DMS so it was not nearly as crowded as usual. We were happily
surprised by the two good acts in the Palace. One of the few that my
wife wanted to see a second time. (Blackmore& Gold and another
performer named Brett ???) Bret's act was heavily influenced by Shimada
and Lance Burton and Blackmore & Gold were very funny Illusionists.
Can you make it to the next Sunday lecture? I believe it will be Aldo
Colombini. I saw Joe Givens lecture today. I really enjoyed it but I
was a little short of cash to buy all of his notes. Good unique stuff
from simple card tricks to more bizzare things such as pushing a Q-tip
in one ear and out the other!
Let me know if you plan on going next Saturday or Sunday. Come to
think of it Saturday may be WAY too busy. Have you seen the line-up of
performers? It may be one of the best weeks all year. Leave me a
line and let me know...
Msg #37588 Dated 21:22:57 03-22-92 -> 37594
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the recent demise of the Pig outside
of the Castle. Don't know if it was vanished, blown up or towed away
but it is definitely gone!
Msg #37593 Dated 23:03:08 03-22-92 37555 <--> 37650
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Ah, but the audience at the DMS _did_ understand Sylvester the Jester.
This was made clear by the lack of laughter, which was quite
appropriate to his performance...
Msg #37594 Dated 22:59:01 03-22-92 37588 <--> 37691
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
WOW! Stan - I heard the rumor at DMS, but basically as a rumor.
Your's is the "eye witness" confirmation! THE PIG IS DEAD!!! SUPER
NEWS!!! It may have been wisked away, under cover of darkness,
deliberately while the majority of us were at DMS. Two possible
reasons suggest themselves:
1) Milt wanted everyone out of town while he did it, so that there
would be no crowd standing by and cheering, or,
2) SOMEONE ELSE did it! AND _WE_ (those who were at DMS) have the
PERFECT alibi - we were all in Las Vegas with each other, we
were all seen by hundreds of people, there are hotel registers
and other records to show that we were out of town, and there
are probably even videos with our pictures in 'em - far, far
away in Las Vegas when it was removed! Hmmm... come to think
of it, YOU were here, pretty much alone . . . Stan! You
didn't . . . Did you???
Msg #37595 Dated 23:04:39 03-22-92 37564 <--> 37603
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Yes, you are.
Msg #37598 Dated 23:12:26 03-22-92 37545 <--> 37619
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Well, legally you can't tell anyone that you are a doctor or lawyer, so
you can't "fake" being in those professions when asked. But, like I
think I mentioned to T. A., try telling them you are a computer
programmer and see if the questions stay at a superficial level. Now,
I don't know what happens if you tell 'em you are a mortician.
(By the way, my comment above is not any sort of "gripe" about _any_
questions I have ever been asked, to date, by any MAGIC! members,
either on-line or in person. As Cy's message suggests, if I thought
such questions were abusive of my computer background, I would suggest
the need to move to a paid relationship. The types of computer related
conversations I have had so far with MAGIC! members have been ones that
I have been happy to try to help with).
I like your concept - that being asked about the latest Copperfield
show or what you think of some performer is OK, that being asked to
perform can be met with the suggestion that they attend a performance
of yours, or, (and here I'm adding my own thoughts) with a willingness
to do something if you are so inclined.
Msg #37599 Dated 23:22:28 03-22-92 37534 <--> 37653
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FLAKES
That sounds like an odd experience, Scott! I certainly hope that it
isn't common! One horrible thought - sending someone out on a fake job
is a perfect opportunity to remove their television set! Any fresh
marks on the mouldings around your doors or windows?
Msg #37600 Dated 23:25:43 03-22-92 37541 <--> 37613
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: NEW BOOK
Thanks for the info on the American Stories book, Anthony.
Msg #37601 Dated 23:26:54 03-22-92 37542 <--> 37604
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SLEEP
Thanks for the suggestion of the theory thread, Cy. It does sound like
a good idea. If you want to discuss some of the theory in the Carney
and Klause books, feel free to give it a shot! I'm still trucking thru
Nelms. I'm finding a lot that I like and that I see the wisdom of.
Msg #37602 Dated 23:28:31 03-22-92 37371 <--> 37611
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Judging by a prior comment from the Frog I suspect he turned chicken
re the 'Great Bill Switch' thumb-off. Maybe we should just have a
round table switch off, have a few beers, and discuss the lint in our
respective belly buttons.
Msg #37603 Dated 23:28:34 03-22-92 37354 <--> 37624
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Yo - I'm leaving Weds about noon. Will see you there.
.
I'm bringing all my Thumb tips, Toe tips, Knee tips, and Bell-person
tips - let's magic !!!!
Msg #37604 Dated 23:28:37 03-22-92 37375 <--> 37612
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Tonight is a full moon, light a white candle next to the crystal and
let it bring in enough energy to tide the system over until you get
back.
Msg #37605 Dated 23:28:39 03-22-92 37360 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VEGAS
I that deal attached to an airline or can you just show-up for it.
Msg #37606 Dated 23:28:40 03-22-92 37385 <--> 37632
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I have seen many close-up 'performers' whose idea of an _ACT_ is
to finish one trick and then say, "Let's see what shall I do next,
while fumbling through their pockets to see what's left".
.
There is no central theme or continuity. They just do a few cards
then switch to coins, etc. - sad but true.
Msg #37610 Dated 23:28:55 03-22-92 37468 <--> 37616
From: JERRY BURTON
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
I have used his version of prof nightmare and will probably go to
the lecture just to see him perform it the way it should be.
Msg #37611 Dated 23:28:57 03-22-92 37463 <--> 37654
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Ok the challenge has been moved to SLC with Tab & I as judges. I can
be bought - whatcha got !
Msg #37612 Dated 23:29:00 03-22-92 37438 <--> 37631
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Re: Colors of Candles -
Red - Passion, energy, lust (too much can bring anger or emotion)
Orange - Attraction, motivation, stimulation (energy less instense
. than red)
Yellow - Communication, success, mental clarity, good business (best
. for healing).
Gold - Male (sun gold) prosperity, success.
Green - Money, growth, promotion, fertilty (earth)
Light Blue - Healing, calm, peace & tranquility. Stress reliever.
Dark Blue - Deep mund, self awareness & dreams (too much can give
. you the 'blues')
Light Purple - Spiritual power, psychic development.
Deep Purple - Power, wordly/political, authority.
Brown - Grounding, materialize on earth, home, business.
Black - Absorbtive, good for accepting negative energy.
White - Reflective. Best protection.
Silver - Goddess
Gray - Neutrality or cancellation.
Pink - Love, spiritual or romantic.
Msg #37613 Dated 23:29:09 03-22-92 37541 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: NEW BOOK
Can you give a brief synopsis of the P & T chapter. Sounds interestin
g.
Msg #37614 Dated 23:29:11 03-22-92 -> 37639
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
Ee;
Finally made it back to Anaheim, rained very heavily from Victorville
on in.
.
DMS was vwry good, perhaps the best yet. Finally got to see the
entire gestalt of S & R - awesome. Last year I was much to close
to the stage, couldn't see everything.
.
Lance Burton's show has evolved - when we saw it 7 months ago it was
good, now it's even better.
.
The lectures at DMS were outstanding - four of the best I've seen.
.
I was personally disappointed with the results of the contest. Vic
& Fabrizzi were good, but I don't think a basic mime act with a magic
theme should win a comedy magic contest. Admittedly Fabrizzi does
some incredible moves, but they aren't related to magic or much less
comedy.
.
I could have accepted Cervine first, Chapen second, and Vic & Fabrizz
third. Actually Gazzo was funnier and did more magic than they did.
.
But hey - this is the peoples choice and the people spoke. Probably
the same reason we have lousy politicians.
.
Note to Pete & Bill it would be helpful to have a brief spiel on
what the judging criteria should be. A point system would also help
in determining the winner, e.g. 3 points for a 1st place vote, 2 for
second and one for third. It is extremely difficult to only vote for
one act.
Msg #37615 Dated 23:28:58 03-22-92 37548 <--> 37794
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HENNING
Thanks for the info on Maharishi Veda Land Inc., Cy. Over the years,
so many similar press releases have appeared that I've begun to wonder
if there isn't some wonderful profit (not a misspelling of prophet) in
the whole thing.
Msg #37616 Dated 23:31:04 03-22-92 37610 <--> 37789
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
Were you at the Ring 21 Timothy Wenk lecture? His Professor's Nightmare
took me by surprise and was very good. Is there a good routine that
comes with the effect? I think I figured out the moves, but may buy the
commercial version anyway. It would be a killer for people who know the
standard effect. What I like about Wenk's version is that you end up
with three same-sized ropes for examination. His Misled was, of course,
great. I really didn't get much more out of the lecture. He did have
one nice move with a chosen card out of a card spread. Let me know if
there is anything else you might be curious about regarding his stuff.
Msg #37618 Dated 23:38:43 03-22-92 37557 <--> 37786
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Thanks for the report on the banquet, Stan. Really appreciate your
detailed message. The back-to-back with DMS just didn't work in my
favor this year.
By the way, at DMS I shared a cab with someone who brought your name
up, Ramon Galindo. I would assume that the toppit he prepared for you
was in the tux you wore to the banquet. Talking with Ramon was a
delightful experience.
Msg #37619 Dated 0:00:14 03-23-92 37567 <--> 37859
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I have worked at the Castle a number of times, but never as a scheduled
performer; the situation has been that I have filled in for a week for
someone who couldn't make it. I prefer it this way, since I don't like
to commit for a booking of that kind that far in advance (often six
months ahead). Thanks for the kind comments on the video; I'm glad you
enjoyed it.
Msg #37620 Dated 23:48:11 03-22-92 37559 <--> 37622
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I agree about Gazzo Macee -- he definitely _WAS_ the first performer in
the competition to link up with the audience (he didn't show up until
the start of the second show). For a variety of reasons, my vote
didn't happen to be for him, but my bet was that he would win. I was
totally startled when he didn't even show up in the list of win, place
or show.
BUT -- I DISAGREE with your analysis of what happened. Gazzo hit
because he was funny and BECAUSE HE DID MAGIC. If you look back, the
audience applauded every time anyone on stage did any magic. The pity
was that such rounds of applause were few and far between.
An audience of magicians is biased -- they want to see magic. Call
that odd if you want, call it a limited viewpoint, call it eccentric,
but it is what they want. And, frankly, for the most part, the magic,
in any shape or form - classical or avante-garde - simply wasn't there.
And when it was there, it was almost always second string to the
comedy, sometimes it was almost non-existant. I'll bet that many
members of the audience know where their local comedy club is - I'll bet
some of 'em even go there -- when they want to see comedy. But when
they go to a magic convention or to the Magic Castle, what they want to
see is MAGIC. Most of the contestants seemed to overlook that
particular method of winning the audience's hearts.
As to the stuff being too hip for them, I can't see it that way.
Placing a condom over an obvious inflation device and blowing it up
is neither magic nor is it comedy (one act actually did this). The
people who find such things funny aren't "hip," they are sexually
repressed. Giggling over flatulence (farting) is funny when you are
seven years old - if it is funny when you are 18 or older, it is
pathetic. Same with blowing up condoms on stage - I'd expect a laugh
from a pre-teen. Finding it funny as an adult doesn't mean you are
"hip," it means that you have never evolved into an adult who accepts,
understands, and enjoys sex as a normal part of life.
Msg #37621 Dated 0:06:55 03-23-92 37568 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ARTICLE
You didn't offend me -- although, if DC looked at that article
objectively, and saw how it portrayed him to the careful reader, the
Caveney piece might have offended HIM...
Msg #37622 Dated 0:07:18 03-23-92 37571 <--> 37657
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Gee, Kevin -- I'm not sure if you were referring to the Desert Magic
Contest or the MAGIC! Awards! Oh, well, maybe next year!
Oh, by the way, next year DMS will have what should be a KILLER
CHALLENGE!!! It will be an impromptu CLOSE-UP Challenge! Apparently
(and maybe Pete can clarify the rules) you will have to walk up to a
set resturant table and do magic with the items on hand! And the prize
is up going to be THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in cash and bookings!
Msg #37623 Dated 0:12:00 03-23-92 37560 <--> 37661
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
You is right on this one, Pete -- the lectures were INCREDIBLE.
Absolutely, positively incredible. I hope to post more details later
when my head settles.
Msg #37624 Dated 0:13:30 03-23-92 37565 <--> 37625
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Offhand, I forget how we recruited the couple. But, within the
entertainment community, there are some fairly standard techniques.
Msg #37625 Dated 0:15:18 03-23-92 37603 <--> 37919
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
You were hysterical at DMS, Burton! With all those thumb tips, toe
tips, knee tips, and the 11 PK's you were wearing, I began to wonder if
it was really you under all of that stuff. Any truth to the rumor that
your moustache was gaffed?
Msg #37627 Dated 0:18:08 03-23-92 37585 <--> 37818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DMS AND ME
I was way in the back of the theater and that Dragon was pretty
fantastic from there! The totally unexpected appearance was something
else!
I'm very envious of your "jacket trick!" I wish I'd thought of that,
as Nathan wanted to get a poster signed and I'd assumed that he was
going to be at the party longer than he actually was.
Msg #37628 Dated 0:31:11 03-23-92 37586 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
A number of good Hawaii folks at DMS, Barry. Les and Terri Au were
there along with a couple of other Hawaii magi. THANKS for keeping us
up to date!
Msg #37631 Dated 0:36:00 03-23-92 37612 <--> 37791
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SLEEP
WOW! Thanks for the candle inventory, Jerry! I'm going to go back
over it off-line.
Msg #37632 Dated 0:52:52 03-23-92 37573 <--> 37692
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
If you need a place to crash, my couch folds out to a queen size bed.
you are welcome to it. Also, yes you can make a good living from
cheating in Vegas. It is a very big business for those who are good at
it.
Msg #37639 Dated 1:36:33 03-23-92 37614 <--> 37656
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
I plan to write up a bigger review of Lance's show, but we seem to
agree -- it was good seven months ago -- it is GREAT now! It was a
real treat to see a truly superb performance.
Msg #37640 Dated 1:39:42 03-23-92 37577 <--> 37673
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
Robert-Houdin is also on a French stamp.
Msg #37647 Dated 4:36:54 03-23-92 -> 38281
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HENNING NELMS
MAGIC!-NL Fri 20 Mar 92 13:50
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I am a great fan of Nelm's book. Personally I do not feel that he
described a certain style of magic. In his book is a discussion of
the technique on how to build up and construct your work. The
things he points out can be used irregardless of your performing
style, it has nothing to do with a certain performing style, only
with correctness.
Correct construction is necessary for all of us. So often even
blatant mistakes are labeled "Oh well, but that's my performing
style!".
In the Nelms book, of course you get a sense of what style of
performing Nelms liked, but that does not mean that his style is
the thing he wants you to do, or that his style is the only
correct way. But all in all I feel that Nelms was very succesfull
in describing the things one has to think about when constructing
the work.
If Nelms style is not your style, that's fine, but that does not
mean you can slide the book aside, as if the contents would not
be applicable to your style, simply because it is different. Some
of the concepts described can improve anybody's work dramatically.
They are universally valid.
Whenever I read Nelms, I have great trouble to catch sleep later
on. I hope you give it another try.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
---
---
Msg #37650 Dated 7:13:50 03-23-92 37593 <--> 37663
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I love Sylvester's routine where he runs out of steam and hooks the
jumper cables to his ears.
Msg #37653 Dated 8:03:05 03-23-92 37599 <--> 37675
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLAKES
I once got to a party that didn't exist. The address was a vacant
lot... and I was conned into paying money in advance for Party
Food/drink... Argh... was in New York in 1951.
Msg #37654 Dated 8:03:10 03-23-92 37602 <--> 37655
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
Good Idea.. round table.. Actually... the amount of time that
David (or me) have thought about the Bill Switch is FAR TOO SHORT
to LEARN such a difficult sleight. It, in my opinion, would take
maybe a YEAR of intense work to learn to do a switch with enough
skill to be worth showing in publid.
Msg #37655 Dated 8:03:16 03-23-92 37611 <--> 37790
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
Somewhere I have a candle snuffer.
Msg #37656 Dated 8:03:19 03-23-92 37614 <--> 37792
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
It is difficult to judge regardless of the system/method. And on
any give performance the same act can vary from good to great to
argh... (I know).... ARgh...
.
the scores were HUGE for Vic and.... Interestingly the COMIC acts
scored almost so low it would be embarrasing to publish... I can't
figure it.... I guess the audience WAS MOSTLY MAGICLUMPEN.
Msg #37657 Dated 8:03:28 03-23-92 37620 <--> 37660
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I agree... Amazing Frank and Kitten DID NOT DO THE CONDOM bit on
the tape... and when they did it onstage I cringed. It killed what
I thought was a TOP CONTENDER.
.
I also agree that THEY WANT MAGIC. Cervine did the most magic.
Chapek Fooled them. Vic and .... were the busiest pro act entered.
they are currently working the Crazy Horse in Paris and took the
week off to compete.
.
I will send you a private message on another subject... stay tuned.
Msg #37660 Dated 8:04:04 03-23-92 37622 <--> 37676
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Wrond Dude... not impromptu.... IMPROVISATIONAL
.
YEP they is gots to walk into the room without seeing the set up
ahead of time (other than a picture) and CANNOT SEE THE PREVIOUS
PERFORMERS...
.
And, heh, heh, there will be a surprise for them. If I have a
$10,000 photo job that day I WILL TURN IT DOWN TO BE THERE. I almopst
feel like resigning to enter. I wanted to quit hte DMS board this
time and enter comedy, sent mhy tape in but Joe didn't believe me.
Msg #37661 Dated 8:04:15 03-23-92 37623 <--> 37680
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
The lectures alone were worth the price of the whole deal!
Msg #37663 Dated 8:04:22 03-23-92 37650 <--> 37695
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I would have given all I have to have thought of that bit of biz.
Sadly he still is not what audiences want to see. Us screwballs
love his ideas, but he doesn't seem to be on the same planet with
the audiences. He should switch to a different cartoon character,
like Elmer Fudd, he needs the aud to be sympathetic with his
character... But he not only hears a different drummer, he hears
a whole different band!
Msg #37666 Dated 8:55:32 03-23-92 37059 <--> 37667
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Stensel's Aces is definitely one of the classic's of card magic.
Msg #37667 Dated 8:55:37 03-23-92 37060 <--> 37811
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Isn't it sad that so often when one has the chance to be around such
mother lodes of equipment and books and stuff as the chicken house
that it is always at a time in your life when you lack the financial
means to acquire it. Of course, it is often impossible to appreciate
the worth such items will have two or three decades in the future.
Msg #37668 Dated 8:55:52 03-23-92 37061 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOWSUH!
Lunds should be a good place for source material on the Rings. What
about the great Jasper repository in Chicago? Would the Library of
Congress have anything in the Houdini-MacManus-Young Collection that
would be of assistance? If so, then you might wish to visit us in
DeeCee in order to look over the tomes on Capitol Hill.
Msg #37669 Dated 8:56:06 03-23-92 37150 <--> 38231
From: BILL WELLS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: WASHINGTON DC AREA
Arnaud -
Regarding the Washington "magic scene" - There are three magic shops
in the area. The two downtown shops are Magic Masters which is in
the shopping area located under the Press Building at Penns. Avenue
and 14th Street and Al's Magic Shop on Vermont Ave near the
MacPhearson Square stop on the Metro. Magic Masters is the standard
format for this magic chain with a beautiful display of a selected
number of items. Al's is a fully stocked magic store. I recommend
a visit to both. Magic Masters to see one attempt to market magic
to the public and Al's to meet and see Al Cohen, one of the truly
nice people in magic and possibly the finest magic demonstrator alive
today. The third shop is Barry's Magic Shop located in Wheaton,
Maryland, some 10 or so miles from downtown. I.B.M. Ring 50 meets
downtown at the Channel Inn on Maine Avenue the first Wednesday of
each month and the S.A.M. Assembly 23 meets the third Wednesday at
the National Press Club on 14th and Penns. Ave. Copperfield is
appearing in Northern Virginia on March 28 and 29. Scotty York
works the bar at Casey's in Georgetown once a month (I think it is
the first Saturday). Al Cohen would be able to tell you about what
is going on.
Msg #37673 Dated 10:15:18 03-23-92 37584 <--> 37674
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
The Stamps!
Msg #37674 Dated 10:15:49 03-23-92 37640 <--> 37753
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
And a beutiful stamp at that! Do you have it or the first day issue or
the commerative envelope?
Msg #37675 Dated 10:13:17 03-23-92 37653 <--> 38236
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLAKES
Sorry to hear that you were conned about a non-existant party.
Actually, a similar thing happened to me once. I was a midnight-to-six
DJ for a rock station (there were two of us and we did a team bit).
One night we got a call from some young ladies who expressed an intense
desire to come visit us, only they said they didn't have a car. They
gave us an address, so I went off to find them.
When I got to area I discovered that there was no "734 Maple Street."
So I called back to my associate (from a pay phone, we didn't have car
phones at the time) that there was no such number on Maple Street. He
said, "Well, stuff like that happens -- come on back." So I started
back. Meanwhile, he looked down at his notepad and realized that what
he'd said was "734" but what he'd written down was "374." So he opened
the mike and said, "The magic number this hour is 374 . . . That's 374!
Most of you out there don't know what I'm talking about, but the magic
number this hour is 374!" Well, 374 turned out to be a vacant lot
anyway! So I stopped off, bought us a couple of Royal Castle burgers,
and went back to the studio.
Msg #37676 Dated 10:23:34 03-23-92 37657 <--> 37677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I figured that the condom bit wasn't on the tape! I'll bet that there
was a lot more that wasn't too! It is really strange what people
thought would win a contest in front of magi.
But there appears to be some substance to the popular vote - you say
that Vic and Fabrini were the busiest pro act entered, which means that
their concept is successful in front of audiences, and the vote was
very, very high in their favor -- maybe the audience knew what it was
doing after all!
Msg #37677 Dated 10:29:38 03-23-92 37660 <--> 37693
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
IMPROVISATIONAL it is! How closely can the picture be depended upon?
You ain't kidding about wanting to be at 1993 DMS to see this one! See
it - heck - I'm begining to think of ENTERING IT!
Msg #37680 Dated 10:51:30 03-23-92 37661 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
The LECTURES were some of the best ever assembled! I can't say enough
about 'em! Super, super, super! The chance to see that level of
skill, talent, and performance ability certainly was worth the price of
admission!
Msg #37691 Dated 14:04:48 03-23-92 37594 <--> 37700
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Your theory doesn't work; the pig was taken down during daylight hours
(late afternoon) on Wednesday.
Msg #37692 Dated 14:05:29 03-23-92 37606 <--> 37707
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
While I certainly agree that fumbling through one's pockets is a bad
sign, the idea that a performance can only be deemed a good act if it
has a central theme or continuity is far too limited.
Any good act will, in a sense, have a de facto theme -- the performer's
world-view. But it is by no means necessary for there to be an explicit
theme involved.
As for continuity, there seems to be a belief among magicians that
every effect should blend into the next, which would be the equivalent
of a music concert in which every piece made a straight segue. It is
clear that such an approach is by no means necessary.
Msg #37693 Dated 14:09:04 03-23-92 37620 <--> 37696
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
No, Gazzo Macee was _not_ the first performer to connect with the
audience; Scott Cervine did it the previous night, and as is obvious by
the audience's voting, he in fact achieved a stronger link.
Msg #37695 Dated 14:10:27 03-23-92 37650 <--> 37709
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Sylvester has a number of really clever ideas. What he does not have is
a viable personality. More often than not audiences don't enjoy his
work because they find him very unpleasant, and that has nothing to do
with relative levels of hipness.
Msg #37696 Dated 14:12:08 03-23-92 37657 <--> 37701
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I question whether Vic & Fabrini are really "the busiest pro act
entered." They are currently in the middle of a long-term booking, but
that's a single engagement. There are others in the contest who have
more gigs. Given how many variables enter into an act's schedule of
engagements it's a moot point anyway.
Msg #37700 Dated 15:46:18 03-23-92 37691 <--> 37706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Oh, well. You might say it was a shot in the dark.
Msg #37701 Dated 15:48:21 03-23-92 37693 <--> 37708
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
OK, Scott did connect well with the audience and he did indeed place.
Would you agree that Gazzo with the first performer to do so in the
second show?
Msg #37706 Dated 19:18:40 03-23-92 37691 <--> 37787
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Actually, wasn't it taken UP.... with a crane?
Msg #37707 Dated 19:18:43 03-23-92 37692 <--> 37728
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I use a premise of fumbling thru pockets AS AN ACT... and comment,
"What's next?" during the overlapping times... Ken (Brooke) always
told me it was the LINKS that you used between tricks that were
often the most important element... to make it an ACT.
Msg #37708 Dated 19:18:48 03-23-92 37693 <--> 37710
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Right on that one Maven-san... Cervine did start a bit slow, and
funny... when he did the silent stuff actually built a better
reaction with the audience. I would like to see him go even
farther with the obsurdity... tap dancing, etc...
Msg #37709 Dated 19:18:54 03-23-92 37695 <--> 37819
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Yep, can't disagree there... someone commented that he appeared to
be a "drugie" and that hurt... I think he has tremendous ability
and and funnelled in the right direction could be very strong.
.
In a more intimate setting (the Comedy Club at Baltimore IBM) he
really FRIGHTENED many in the audience that he came near! But,
perverse dude that I am, I loved it! Would like to see him figure
it out.
Msg #37710 Dated 19:19:03 03-23-92 37696 <--> 37711
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Moot it is. I'm sorry I missed the final day. I understand the
S&R stage tour was incredibly successful, and someone told me that
Joe was in tears saying to Wells, "how can we top this?"... I
would really like to have been there... but Money Talks...
.
Stay tuned.
Msg #37711 Dated 19:19:10 03-23-92 37701 <--> 37715
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Uh, wasn't he the first talking act in the second espisode? To show
you how wrong some of us can be... I really didn't think Gazoo
would go well here, having seen the tape of his STREET work... but
he proved he can handle any situation and is a very funny guy.
.
I think his magic content (being a non new item) might have hurt
his with the voters, but he (no one actually) didn't have near
enough votes to topple Vic and Fabrini.
.
I just hope all that did well, realized it, and those that bombed
figured out something to help them in the future. Working in front
of magicians is not really a great way to judge how you are doing.
.
Did anyone catch Melinda's new show this trip? And the Trop show,
the Lady Magician? I just can't pull her name outa my brain rigght
now...oooops got to run, Star Trek is on... by
Msg #37715 Dated 20:04:38 03-23-92 37711 <--> 37719
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Glad you asked about Connie Boyd and her show at the Trop. A funny
thing happened on Friday night - Anita & I were rushing to get to the
All-Star Close-Up Show and, without looking at the program, headed for
the Tiffany Theater. We were kinda late and could see that the show
was about to begin, so WE BREEZED RIGHT BY THE MATRE 'D!!! He said,
"You know where your seats are?" and we said, "Yes, thank you." Only
when we got in, there were no little numbers left on the table and the
curtain was going up - so, still thinking we were at the All-Star show,
we grabbed a couple of empty seats, figuring we would move over once
our eyes adjusted. Uh, the DMS show was in a different room and WE
were at the FOLIES show!
Connie Boyd did a nice act! Lots of very classical stage illusions,
done with her in formal evening dress - no tights and leotards - with
three "Chippendale's" type male assistants. Competently done.
Msg #37719 Dated 20:19:34 03-23-92 37710 <--> 37720
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Incredibly successful? I wouldn't describe it that way. A decidedly
mixed event, with some great peaks.
Msg #37720 Dated 20:20:32 03-23-92 37701 <--> 37722
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
It would be difficult to disagree with your statement, given that Gazzo
was the first to perform on the second show.
Msg #37722 Dated 20:31:01 03-23-92 37720 <--> 37765
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yes, now that you mention it, he was the first to perform on the second
show. I think that he was faced with an uphill battle.
Msg #37728 Dated 20:55:47 03-23-92 37517 <--> 37766
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
What was the coin with the hinge for?
It was good to see you again at DMS.
Msg #37744 Dated 21:44:43 03-23-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: DMS
Hope everyone made it home, okay. My flight was terrible, hope
everyone else fared better. For all of you who teased me half to death
because of my late arrival Friday, all I can say is that my USAir
flight made it safely, albeit late. There was another that didn't make
it at all. God bless those poor people and their families. I could
have been one of them.
Love to all
Stace
Msg #37746 Dated 21:53:21 03-23-92 -> 37752
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HILTON
The Hilton bounce back package is a HILTON promotion. Therefore, it is
not tied to an airline at all. They don't care if you come across the
desert on a camel (parking might be a problem, though) as long as you
state that you want the bounce back package. Sunday through Thursday
are the days, $24.95 the rate, and food comes with it. Speaking of
food, I need a good recipe for chicken soup. Some toad gave me a nasty
cold at DMS. The rain didn't help. Wet magicians are miserable
magicians. Especially cold and wet magicians. Aaaaaahchooooo!
Msg #37752 Dated 22:14:25 03-23-92 37746 <--> 37767
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HILTON
Just remember -- I is a FROG and "toads" are my cousins. Hardly think
a toad gave you a cold - was probably a human.
Since you are telling Jerry about it, the "Hilton Bounce Back" that you
arranged was GREAT! As you know, because of some technical reason, we
had to pay more than the $24.95, but still was a good deal and the
staff at the Flamingo is VERY nice and helpful. The food package -
breakfast and dinner - was in either their buffet or something called
"Food Fantasy," which just sounded too weird to try (I have fantasies,
but they aren't usually about food). But the buffet - while it was no
Golden Nugget or Caesar's Palace - was GOOD. They had two of my
favorites every morning - corned beef hash and SOS (chipped beef) - and
both were exceptionally well done; so much so that we voluntarily
returned each morning, even after using up the freebie. So, THANKS!
Msg #37753 Dated 22:14:16 03-23-92 37674 <--> 37842
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
No, I don't have the stamp. I collect stamps relating to Opera. I saw
the stamp, perhaps I should have purchased it. I keep waiting for some
one to put out a Houdini stamp. Hell, if they can put out stamps for
Elvis, why not Mr. Weiss?
Msg #37756 Dated 22:33:04 03-23-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: YOUNG MAGI
Reading Sleeping Beauty to Nathan tonite:
Me (reading): "In a rage, the witch soared to the top of the highest
tower. There she changed into a monstrous dragon."
Nathan gets a puzzled look on his face.
Me: "She levitated and performed a transformation."
Nathan gets look of comprehension and says, "Oh, OK."
Msg #37757 Dated 22:46:23 03-23-92 -> 37758
From: CHUCK RUBEY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MEETING YOU
David, thanks for the note, it was also nice to meet you again and to
say we are really enjoying the system. Soon I'll be studying the system
and being able to download. All I want is to be able to do what I want
with minimum connect time. Best regards, chuck
Msg #37758 Dated 22:50:07 03-23-92 37757 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHUCK RUBEY (X)
Re: MEETING YOU
It was good to see you at DMS, Chuck. Glad to hear that you are
enjoying the system. Downloading messages can certainly cut down on
connect time!
Msg #37759 Dated 22:48:57 03-23-92
From: CHUCK RUBEY
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: DMS
Steve, it was good to see you at the DMS. Enjoyed talking to you and
learning a few new tricks. For your information, I am eagerly
practicing the mirror cards and the trick is slowly coming within my
grasp. A truly wonderful illusion. Hope your trip back to Indiana was
good. Please keep in touch. It was also good to meet Geno.
Regards, Chuck
Msg #37762 Dated 22:52:02 03-23-92
From: CHUCK RUBEY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DMS MEETING
Geno, it was good to meet you. I'm the guy you showed some cards tricks
to in the general area on Saturday with Steve Bryant. Anyway, I'm still
thinking about all the things I learned and trying to put the weekend
in perspective; what a great time. We took off for SF bright and early
on Sunday 6:30am. Good flight. Hope you trip back was ok and also hope
to see you again some time. I'll comment on your comments on this BBS
in the coming months.
Best Regards, Chuck
Msg #37764 Dated 23:05:09 03-23-92 -> 37769
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NEWSCAST
Ee;37687
ANYBODY HEAR THIS? Switching channels a minute ago I heard the
tail end of a report on the NBC News.
.
"A high school in Yolo County was teaching a class about magic
and magicians. They had to stop as they are being sued by another
state (I think in the south) for teaching WITCHCRAFT... and they
say it violates the separation of Church and State."
.
The newscaster said, "Just another one of those stupid suits as
we come near the end of the 20the Century."
Msg #37765 Dated 23:17:52 03-23-92 37719 <--> 37795
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I was "Quoting" Joe as he was quoted to me by a third party. I
think from Joe's viewpoint "Incrdibly Successful" would probably
fit. Frankly, the lectures alone were worth going for.
Msg #37766 Dated 23:17:56 03-23-92 37728 <--> 37788
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Hinged coin was for Magician's only to do coin in bottle. Gag!!!!
.
Just like the penny I have with a fake diamond on it, called "The
Diamond (Dime and) Penny" ARgh.....
Msg #37767 Dated 23:18:02 03-23-92 37746 <--> 37768
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HILTON
Boil a 6 lb. chicken with Leeks, Onions, Celery and Carrots. For
about 2-3 hours. Take out chicken and tear into little pieces. Set
aside. Strain the stuff out and put the broth in fridge over night.
Scrape off the fat and toss out.
.
Cook new carrots and celery in broth, then add the pieces of
Chicken... and in separate saucepan cook some "al dente" noodles.
Couple of handfulls... When soup about ready toss in the noodles
and add spices you like. A bay leaf is good to put in when cooking
the veggies. I am not a heavy spicer so use little or none, and
almost NEVER use onions. Cut up leeks add a lot of flavor. Cut 'em
with scissors to about 3-in. lengths (greens).
Msg #37768 Dated 23:18:15 03-23-92 37752 <--> 37772
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HILTON
I thought the Hacienda was that price alla time?
Msg #37769 Dated 23:18:17 03-23-92 37764 <--> 37770
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: NEWSCAST
I just bought the new Anverdi book. Great stuff. Many believe he
is an electronic only guy... wrong... his work with silks and
threads is great and I had forgotten about it myself. And his
nutty stuff with liquids was, and still is, very original and
unique. The electronic stuff is well covered as well.
.
A terrific book and a must have for the serious magic dudes and
dudettes.
Msg #37770 Dated 23:27:05 03-23-92 37764 <--> 37771
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Seems impossible that one state could sue another over the content of
education, but anything is possible . . .
What I heard on the news today is that the Supreme Court has agreed to
review a case in Florida concerning the right of a Church to perform
ritual animal sacrifice. It is contrary to state law concerning the
butchering of animals. The Appeals Courts have, so far, found in favor
of the State, but according to the report, the Church's position has
the backing of several major denominations including the Presbeterians
and the Catholic Church.
Anyone wanna tear the head off a rubber dove and roll the dove up?
Msg #37771 Dated 23:30:33 03-23-92 37769 <--> 37825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Thanks for the Anverdi info, Pete - sounds like a great book - how well
covered is the electronic info?
Msg #37772 Dated 23:31:39 03-23-92 37768 <--> 38009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HILTON
Hacienda was booked solid, so was Excalibur and just about every place
else. Local (L.V.) room system showed only the Palace Station
available and while it is a nice place -- well, you know my story about
that!
Msg #37779 Dated 0:25:29 03-24-92 -> 37782
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: ALL
Re: ANOTHER STUPID SUIT
Related to the above message, I just heard that a school in Florida is
being forced to put "Sleeping Beauty" on the restricted books list,
requiring parental permission, because of the violence in the story.
Where do these people come from?
Msg #37782 Dated 0:39:59 03-24-92 37779 <--> 37826
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: ANOTHER STUPID SUIT
RE: "Where do these people come from?"
No telling, Rick. OK, I _know_ where they come from - after all, I
have a kid - but I ain't telling!
A while back I raised the premise that magic isn't all that safe in our
society. It is only _at_ _the_ _moment_ that we have stopped burning
magi (or suspected magi) at the stake -- but the whole notion that we
are now OK and acceptable is, in my opinion, a _LOT_ more fragile than
many think. We like to think that society is "enlightened," but the
reality is that we aren't really very far away from fear of the
unknown. Remember the Twilight Zone series and "The Monsters Are Due
On Maple Street"?
Msg #37786 Dated 1:14:53 03-24-92 37618 <--> 37810
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Could you post Ramon's address. I stopped at the manufacturers
clearance place just this side of Barstow on my way back and bought
a new jacket. I want to have a really good toppit put into it.
.
Thanks in advance.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #37787 Dated 1:14:58 03-24-92 37691 <--> 37800
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Are we going to have the wake brunch this sunday ? I'm up for it,
want to see Aldo re the one-handed slip knot. It's not in his notes
and I'm definitely doing something wrong.
.
How's this for a schedule - Brunch noon, Lecture 3 pm, and evening
show with perhaps dinner down the street.
.
I'll be there for the lecture in any case.
Msg #37788 Dated 1:15:03 03-24-92 37692 <--> 37827
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I agree an overall theme for a close-up act is not mandatory, however
it does allow for continuity and an overall cohesiveness.
.
I was merely commenting on the fact that many close-up performers
do not have a sequence (theme or not) that has been thought through
to give the act an overall structure. When I see someone checking to
see what to do next I think it shows a lack of preparation.
.
Johnnie Ace's act has no central theme, but every move and sequence
is throughly routined, not a single fumble or missed beat. It has an
opening, middle, and end.
Msg #37789 Dated 1:15:09 03-24-92 37616 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: TIMOTHY WENK LECTURE
Unfortunately I was at DMS and missed his lecture. I strongly
recommend his Professor's Nightmare. The book is color coded and very
easy to learn, well worth the price.
Msg #37790 Dated 1:15:12 03-24-92 37655 <--> 37820
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Is it with your kettle snuffer ? (re candle snuffer).
Msg #37791 Dated 1:15:14 03-24-92 37631 <--> 37801
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Check out your local 0.99 cent store, they sometimes have small
candles in various colors. Recommend you buy the basic colors and
only go for the more odd-ball colors for special purposes.
.
Basic inventory should include red, blue, green, yellow, white, and
black.
Msg #37792 Dated 1:15:18 03-24-92 37639 <--> 37793
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
He seemed much more relaxed. I was up close and totally missed many
of the dove pulls - they just seemed to materialize - incredible !
.
The timing on the last switch (where he becomes the masked villian)
has gotten even faster - makes the effect really powerful.
Msg #37793 Dated 1:15:22 03-24-92 37656 <--> 37802
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
I started through the list and tried to categorize the acts and
finally voted for the act that made me laugh the most - after all it
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON COMEDY MAGIC ! So I voted for Cervine.
.
If is was to be based on straight magic I still don't think I would
have gone for Vic & Fabrizzi. If it was for variety act I would have
gone for them. Don't get me wrong, I think they have a very unique
and entertaining act - I just couldn't see them as winners in a
comedy magic contest.
Msg #37794 Dated 1:15:28 03-24-92 37615 <--> 37803
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HENNING
The membership may be tithing to build them and there needs to be a
new revalation every so often (am I a cynic or what ?) to keep
contributions up.
Msg #37795 Dated 1:15:31 03-24-92 37765 <--> 37796
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Let me see if I can remember my impressions of the contestents
.
Frank & Kitten - sleazy put down of lounge lizard magi.
Steve Spill - lost his timing about half way through, didn't seem UP
. for the competition.
Woody ?? - played a goofy kid adequetely.
Vic & Fabrizzi - wonderful mime act, with another guy running around
. pretending to do magic.
Scott Cervine - slow start, very funny bit about his first performanc
Kevin James - his standard act, very good but not necessarily funny.
Rudy Coby - always a joy to watch, not really comedy either.
Tony Chapin - technically very interesting and innovative.
Msg #37796 Dated 1:18:24 03-24-92 37765 <--> 37797
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Let me see if I can remember my impressions of the contestents
.
Frank & Kitten - sleazy put down of lounge lizard magi.
Steve Spill - lost his timing about half way through, didn't seem UP
. for the competition.
Woody ?? - played a goofy kid adequetely.
Vic & Fabrizzi - wonderful mime act, with another guy running around
. pretending to do magic.
Scott Cervine - slow start, very funny bit about his first performanc
Kevin James - his standard act, very good but not necessarily funny.
Rudy Coby - always a joy to watch, not really comedy either.
Tony Chapin - technically very interesting and innovative.
Msg #37797 Dated 1:21:57 03-24-92 37765 <--> 37804
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Let me see if I can remember my impressions of the contestents
.
Frank & Kitten - sleazy put down of lounge lizard magi.
Steve Spill - lost his timing about half way through, didn't seem UP
. for the competition.
Woody ?? - played a goofy kid adequetely.
Vic & Fabrizzi - wonderful mime act, with another guy running around
. pretending to do magic.
Scott Cervine - slow start, very funny bit about his first performanc
Kevin James - his standard act, very good but not necessarily funny.
Rudy Coby - always a joy to watch, not really comedy either.
Tony Chapin - technically very interesting and innovative.
Msg #37800 Dated 1:50:09 03-24-92 37787 <--> 37922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
I could probably be there for a Pig Wake/Brunch if you are willing to
coordinate it. I am going to try to make the lecture. But time to do
so might be short, and it might be better to have the Pig Wake the
following FRIDAY, giving everyone a chance to get their pig snouts and
removing it from the Sunday madness (and visitors).
Msg #37801 Dated 1:52:30 03-24-92 37791 <--> 37815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SLEEP
OK, thanks, Jerry. Will check the 0.99 cent store nearby.
Msg #37802 Dated 1:53:10 03-24-92 37792 <--> 37821
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
Yes, even in front of 350 magicians (and their female associates), he
seemed relaxed and confident - which is what someone that good should
be!
I enjoyed Lance's show, Anita enjoyed Lance's show, and Nathan enjoyed
Lance's show.
Msg #37803 Dated 1:57:12 03-24-92 37794 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HENNING
Yep, I think it has to do with tithing and new revelations, but, then
again, maybe the mystic symbols from which he devines the location are
just misty.
Msg #37804 Dated 1:58:31 03-24-92 37795 <--> 37805
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
And the award for the best one-liner of the contest, in my opinion, had
to go to Steve Spill for "Magic is a notch above mime on the
entertainment food chain."
Msg #37805 Dated 2:00:31 03-24-92 37797 <--> 37822
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Uh, yeah, Jerry -- thank you for sending your convention contest report
in triplicate!
Msg #37807 Dated 6:18:12 03-24-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: NUT STUFF
Here is San Diego, we have nuts too. One is trying to abolish
Christmas and Easter, saying that they don't separate Church and State
and therefore should be declared illegal holidays. I never thought I'd
live to see Santa and the Easter Bunny declared illegal, but then you
never know. Also, in Virginia, they are trying or at least were to get
Mark Twain's books taken off the list bec"nigger". The issue was
started at Mark Twain Elementary!
Msg #37810 Dated 7:33:26 03-24-92 37786 <--> 38023
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Ramon Galindo
Ace Custom Tailoring
209 W. 5th St.
Austin, Texas 78701
I'm sure you'll be pleased with his excellent service.
Msg #37811 Dated 7:36:40 03-24-92 37261 <--> 37814
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You obviously are a bit younger than I am and that probably explains
your focusing on Captain Video as opposed to Sky King, Green Hornet,
or the Lone Ranger when you were a kid. My kids would find it
difficult to understand running to a radio at a certain time each
day to hear the William Tell Overture herald the beginning of yet
another adventure of the masked man and his faithful sidekick. The
show was sponsored by Merita Bread in my part of the world. Shows or
products featuring magic were few and far between when I was a kid.
I do remember a soft drink called Grapette and a magic comic book.
Msg #37813 Dated 7:37:24 03-24-92 37281 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
The folding tot may have been Jim's answer to filling out a small
audience or being able to have a suitable child assistant in the
event none were in the audience....or it might have been a small
version of the famous folding adult production item.
Msg #37814 Dated 7:37:37 03-24-92 37352 <--> 37836
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yes, I do remember the Johnson catalog. My main ones were the
Douglas Magicland one (10 cents)!! and the Kanter's number seven
which one of several with photos of magicians on the covers. It was
very thick (particularly so in those days) and had EVERYTHING one
could possibly dream for within it's pages. First time I ever saw a
magic shop was Harry Baker's shop in Washington, DC during my high
school senior class trip. I only had a few minutes and I remember
that Harry (or somebody) did the color changing knives.
Msg #37815 Dated 7:37:58 03-24-92 37366 <--> 37816
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Actually, Bill Wells arrives at work at 7:00 a.m. Eastern Standard
Time.
Msg #37816 Dated 7:38:06 03-24-92 37375 <--> 37817
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Henning Nelms would put me to sleep in about 1 minute!!
Msg #37817 Dated 7:38:12 03-24-92 37481 <--> 37837
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SLEEP
I share your opinion of the Henning Nelms book. However, since I
have seldom encountered anyone who felt the same, I always assumed
my feelings about the book were tainted by my feelings for Nelms the
person. I assume that you knew Henning as I did. He was a member
of SAM Assembly 23 here in Washington and fought against anyone who
wasn't a white Christian being a member. He was one of the reasons
that Al Cohen never jointed that Assembly until the 1970s when I and
some others forced them to abandon the black ball method of approving
membership. They actually had a bag containing white cubes and black
marbles. There was also a small box with a hole in it. One black
ball from a unknown was sufficient to prevent membership in the
Assembly. Open voting on membership allowed Al to become a member.
Shortly after (I am talking 1970's), we voted in the first black
member. Henning never attended any meetings after that. I find it
difficult to respect his opinions knowing the kind of person he was.
I also remember how he performed magic and found little there to
foster respect for his opinions on how magic should be performed.
However, like you, I plan to drag the book back out and look it over
once again. The years may have mellowed my prejudices, but I still
suspect the book enjoys its standing because of the lack of
competition rather than excellence of content.
Msg #37818 Dated 7:39:02 03-24-92 37585 <--> 37896
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DMS AND ME
Stacey - I took the liberty of FAXing a hard copy of your message
to Joe. I think he will enjoy seeing your comments. He was also
quite moved by the dragon's solo performance and wonders how we will
be able to top such a happening in the future. Glad you enjoyed
yourself. It was a pleasure getting to meet you, sorry things were
too busy to allow time for us to talk more.
Msg #37819 Dated 7:39:18 03-24-92 37593 <--> 37824
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I don't think Daniel Sylvester understands Sylvester the Jester.
Msg #37820 Dated 7:39:24 03-24-92 37611 <--> 37828
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
I am amending the SLC program to reflect the following:
*** MAGIC! BBS session featuring the GREAT TIP OFF between
the Frog and Byerow ***
BTW - Doncha need a third judges in the event of a tie vote?
Msg #37821 Dated 7:39:36 03-24-92 37614 <--> 37829
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
With regard to your request for Pete and me to provide "a brief spiel
on what the judging criteria (for the DMS comedy challenge) should
be." The BOD discussed this at some considerable length over the
last year. What I regarded as an excellent suggestion from Steve
Bryant regarding last year's contest was also discussed (the multiple
vote concept versus the single vote). The final decision of the BOD
was to provide NO criteria for judging and only a single vote. It
was felt that the voter should simply vote for whomever they felt
was the best act using their own set of criteria. The question of
having only a single vote was a more difficult decision for the BOD.
Frankly, I think the concern over the mechanics of counting multiple
votes (voting for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place instead of a single vote)
was the primary factor that resulted in continuation of the single
vote method. I predict a change in the future.
Msg #37822 Dated 7:40:11 03-24-92 37622 <--> 37831
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
The improvisation (not impromptu - read intro to Weber's "Lifesavers"
for one discussion of the difference) phase of the close up contest
will be used to determine the finish of the finalists. The first
phase of the competition will be a freestyle close up performance
as was done in the earlier DMS close up competitions. The performers
will know some of the items which will be on the table (basically, it
will be a standard restaurant table setting for two people). However
, this does not preclude the introduction of surprise items. There
will also be two "diners" seated at the table when the contestant
enters. The contestants will be isolated from viewing the other
contestants performances prior to their own performance. No magic
props may be used or introduced by the performer. However, aids such
as pulls, holdouts, and other invisible "tools" are permitted. A
set of more detailed instructions will be provided entrants. The
Seminar Sentinel back page ad has a bare bones outline. Since the
introduction of the idea a couple of years ago, it has been debated
at length by the BOD with considerable input from others including
some who are members of MAGIC! The resulting contest will be a
distillation of those discussions and inputs.
Msg #37824 Dated 7:41:08 03-24-92 37650 <--> 37841
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I also like Sylvester's effects with the steam and sparks from his
ears as well as the anvil from hat and pan in the face. The concept
of protraying a cartoon character is also very appealing. However,
his presentation fails to convey this appeal to the audience. I
felt he would either hit or miss in Vegas. He missed.
Msg #37825 Dated 8:47:35 03-24-92 37771 <--> 37851
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Shows you schematic for tiny transmitter and receiver, mulit
channel etc... way UNDER my head. I use reed switches and magnets.
Msg #37826 Dated 8:47:38 03-24-92 37779 <--> 37931
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: ANOTHER STUPID SUIT
There are more lunatics afraid of life and the ability for
people to have any brains now than ever before. I can't wait to die.
Msg #37827 Dated 8:47:42 03-24-92 37788 <--> 37858
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
But you have to LIKE IT.... ARgh....
Msg #37828 Dated 8:47:45 03-24-92 37790 <--> 37839
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
It WAS with the Kettle Snuffer but both perished in the last blaze.
Msg #37829 Dated 8:47:48 03-24-92 37792 <--> 37830
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
Who? Lance? I though so. Just wish he would dress more contemporary
in the middle segment of the show.
Msg #37830 Dated 8:47:52 03-24-92 37793 <--> 37923
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
That's what makes a horse race.
Msg #37831 Dated 8:47:55 03-24-92 37795 <--> 37832
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You paid attention and took notes?
Msg #37832 Dated 8:47:58 03-24-92 37796 <--> 37833
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Same message twice?
Msg #37833 Dated 8:48:01 03-24-92 37797 <--> 37834
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Did you repeat it so I would remember your message?
Msg #37834 Dated 8:48:04 03-24-92 37804 <--> 37835
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Mime is VERY NEAR THE TOP.... SOOOOOO
Msg #37835 Dated 8:48:07 03-24-92 37805 <--> 37840
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Triplicate? I only saw it three times.
Msg #37836 Dated 8:48:10 03-24-92 37811 <--> 37843
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
An intellectual is a person that can listen to the William Tell
overature and NOT think of the Lone Ranger.
Msg #37837 Dated 8:48:14 03-24-92 37816 <--> 37838
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
Henning Nelms' BOOK has put me to sleep many times. I think I am
up to page 11. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Msg #37838 Dated 8:48:18 03-24-92 37817 <--> 37845
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
Nelms sounds like a great guy. But not for my planet. I wonder
what Fitzkee was like??? Hmmmmm
Msg #37839 Dated 8:48:21 03-24-92 37820 <--> 37928
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SCANNER
There can be no tie... it will be a landslide!
Msg #37840 Dated 8:48:24 03-24-92 37822 <--> 37847
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I see you said "invisible devices, such as pulls" THAT LEAVES OUT
THUMB TIPS... Wasn't it Will Rogers that said, "I never met a man
with a thumb tip that I liked."
Msg #37841 Dated 8:48:29 03-24-92 37824 <--> 37920
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I am now late for work you dirty rats... putting good messages up!
Msg #37842 Dated 8:52:02 03-24-92 37753 <--> 37906
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
He (mr. Weiss) did not have the hip movements!
Msg #37843 Dated 9:06:49 03-24-92 37811 <--> 37927
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I guess we didn't get to spend a lot of time together at DMS - I would
have liked to. I may be a bit younger than you are, but also, my
family were early adopters of television. My older brother certainly
remembers Sky King (I do remember the television version), Green
Hornet, and Lone Ranger (again, I remember the television version).
And I enjoy listening to those programs - I have a reasonable sized
collection of old radio programs on tape.
Of course, I remember Merita Bread (although not as a sponsor),
Grapette, Nehi, and Yoo Hoo (didn't drink much of the last one, I once
found a worm in a bottle of it); also Moon Pies and RC.
Oh, yeah, and from radio I remember the Don McNeil Breakfast Club
("Good Morning, Breakfast Clubbers . . .") and a kid's show with a
character named Sparky. Also remember Buster Brown shoes as a sponsor.
Now I'm trying to remember what stuff I bought at the magic shop. I
know I had an Atomic Lightbulb and a DeLand's Automatic Deck.
Msg #37845 Dated 9:21:41 03-24-92 37815 <--> 37846
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
Hmmm . . . It is possible that, what with the time difference and all,
you and I may sometimes overlap here on MAGIC! I recall some jobs at
which I got to work at 7 a.m., but I can't recall which ones they were
as I was asleep at the time.
Msg #37846 Dated 9:23:27 03-24-92 37816 <--> 37871
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
I am really enjoying Nelms. The book that I always found to be a
guaranteed sleep producer was my college text on comparative religion
- it was titled "Man Seeks The Devine" and I think I never made it past
page 4.
Msg #37847 Dated 9:35:51 03-24-92 37822 <--> 37848
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I think this Improvisational contest is going to be fantastic! I'm
really looking forward to it.
As to checking out Weber - you might want to have him write up the
application form, automatically including permission to use anything in
Lifesavers. Otherwise, it is going to get complex -- the notice in the
book says that "theater performance rights" are reserved, but it also
says "You are hereby granted full permission to perform any and all of
these routines with or without the accompanying patter and or
presentation anywhere on the planet and in the universe, twenty-four
hours a day, for whomever you please in any improvisational setting."
In the candy store yesterday I came across something I hadn't seen
before - "Gummy Lifesavers." (Yeah, I've seen 'em sticky before, when
it is humid, but these are actually made this way in an attempt, I
guess, to gain a share of the gummy bear, gummy shark, etc. market.
Interesting how they have expanded the line - LifeSavers, LifeSaver
Holes, and now Gummy LifeSavers. I wonder if you can use 'em in an
improvisational setting?
Msg #37848 Dated 9:45:02 03-24-92 37831 <--> 37849
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Jerry wasn't alone in making contest notes - you want a copy of mine?
Msg #37849 Dated 9:46:25 03-24-92 37834 <--> 37850
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Mime is a wonderful art, but it gets less bookings than magic.
Television folks don't like it 'cause it don't make noise.
Msg #37850 Dated 9:47:24 03-24-92 37840 <--> 37873
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Will Rogers would have liked my thumb tip. Speaking of which, there is
a great TTT (Thumb Tip Trick) in Linking Ring this month - "Live
Goldfish Don't Float."
Msg #37851 Dated 9:49:49 03-24-92 37825 <--> 37878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
The Anverdi book sounds interesting - is the transmitter small enough
to fit in a thumb tip?
Msg #37852 Dated 11:27:09 03-24-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: AWARD
MAGIC!-NL Tue 24 Mar 92 04:33
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Hee, that's a surprise!!!!!!! Thanks for the award!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
(31)-23388725 (1:0/0) ---
Msg #37853 Dated 11:27:13 03-24-92 -> 37854
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: AWARD
MAGIC!-NL Tue 24 Mar 92 18:23
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
David,
On behalve of the complete MAGIC!-NL computer operations staff I
thank you very much for the Golden Diskette Award. I am really
very surpised with this honor, and only wish I could be present
at the ceremony. I really look forward to the tape of it, and
when I received it I will make sure we will re-celebrate the
reception of the awards here in Velserbroek, on my own Strip......
Again, thank you very Dutch....
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
(31)-23388725 (1:0/0)
---
Msg #37854 Dated 13:32:26 03-24-92 37853 <--> 37932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: AWARD
TO: Arnaud Van Rietschoten and Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL
The members of the Advisory Board, along with myself, were all in
agreement that the two of you should be selected as Honorees. Your
attendance was prevented by the physical distance between Las Vegas and
Velserbroek, but your continued work at MAGIC-NL has made the
electronic and psychological distance a great deal smaller. You have
pioneered a link that has united the global magic community.
---
Origin: MAGIC! U.S. 818-896-7450
Msg #37857 Dated 13:49:22 03-24-92 -> 37872
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: ?
Is anyone out there familiar with a magician named Kevin Trudeau? He
was on one of the late night infomercials hawking a memory course.
Msg #37858 Dated 13:50:02 03-24-92 37543 <--> 37883
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Find a different game. It's true that many casinos are now dealing face
up and you can not touch the cards. But I believe many still deal face
down. We are all just kidding about cheating though, right?
Msg #37859 Dated 13:50:30 03-24-92 37544 <--> 37884
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
If you can back palm coins the thing I described is not all that hard.
Just back palm the good coin straight out in front of you and let the
finger palmed bent one fall out of your hand as you lower it over the
table. The backpalming motion makes it appear as though you are just
tossing the coin onto the table.
I never have gotten the hang of the Goshman or Tenkai. I prefer to go
into a back finger clip between 1st and 2nd fingers. This is a stronger
grip in my opinion, and I am able to hold my hand out almost perfectly
flat. I keep the coin back far enough in the finger clip so that the
edge does not show from the front. In squeezing the fingers together
the flesh totally covers the edge of the coin.
Msg #37871 Dated 17:05:39 03-24-92 37846 <--> 37877
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Apparently you never made it past the spelling of the title...
Msg #37872 Dated 17:10:43 03-24-92 37857 <--> 37874
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: ?
Why do you suppose he is a magician?
Msg #37873 Dated 17:11:12 03-24-92 37822 <--> 37879
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Sorry to hear that the use of "invisible tools" has been sanctioned for
the DMS contest. My interest in seeing it just nosedived.
Msg #37874 Dated 17:37:52 03-24-92 37872 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ?
I was asked by someone if I knew him or knew of him. That is how he was
described by the person who asked me.
Msg #37875 Dated 17:46:47 03-24-92 -> 37886
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
It was good to see you again. Sorry we could not spend more trime
together. I hope the illusion ideas were helpful. Did you have a chance
to look up thereferences I gave you?
Mayb we will be able to spend more time together next time either here
or there.
Msg #37876 Dated 17:49:03 03-24-92 -> 37887
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: DICE CUP
Does anyone know where to get a good dice cup for stacking? I looked
all over Las Vegas with no luck. All had ridges and a lip on the cup.
I understand you need straight smooth side
Msg #37877 Dated 17:59:55 03-24-92 37871 <--> 38163
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
The book was written by some guy named Andy - I think it was an
autobiography. Just for the record, a few messages back you made a
typo.
Msg #37878 Dated 18:12:11 03-24-92 37764 <--> 37882
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Haven't heard a peep. Please keep me posted if you get more details,
that is WILD.
Msg #37879 Dated 18:59:39 03-24-92 37848 <--> 37880
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
No. I was there. Remember.
Msg #37880 Dated 18:59:42 03-24-92 37849 <--> 37881
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Marcel Marceau once said, "
!"
Msg #37881 Dated 18:59:45 03-24-92 37850 <--> 37885
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Will look in LR.
Msg #37882 Dated 18:59:48 03-24-92 37851 <--> 37891
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
It is made by grinding up seven thumb tips for insulation material.
Msg #37883 Dated 18:59:51 03-24-92 37858 <--> 38027
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I am not kidding. If I were to go to Nevada, or anywhere else, I
would work out methods of making a sure profit by being a crossroader
Msg #37884 Dated 18:59:55 03-24-92 37859 <--> 38001
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Any back clip will work if it is natural to your finger/hand shape
and doesn't "tell" or show thru the cracks.
Msg #37885 Dated 18:59:59 03-24-92 37873 <--> 37892
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Max, don't be so quick to decry use of invisible tools. There are
not that many... but in any improv situation a "real magician"
would always have something like wax, thread, a topit, etc. on
and ready to use. After all we are looking for the best and if the
best needs to use something fine, if not Maybe Better!
.
Have you already given the money to Williamson?
Msg #37886 Dated 19:00:08 03-24-92 37875 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Actually there was too much going on at the DMS for anyone to
get much time with more than one or two folks... I always wind up
roaring about helping on the committee and never getting to really
spend time rapping... Only dude I did connect with a couple of
times was Mike Close. Wanted to work something out with Finn Jon
and never got to see him! ARgh... he is doing a trick I gave him
in his pro act now and I needed to go over something... Next time!
Msg #37887 Dated 19:00:16 03-24-92 37876 <--> 37897
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Last time I checked there were NO GOOD dice cups for stacing. I
have some thoughts... try a major game supply like Brooks Bros.,
or Sharper Image. Of coure you can do the way Crandall used to and
have the cup made by a leather worker. I have a cup Crandall made
and inscribed FRED KAPS on... which I was willed.
.
You only need to determine the size you want. You might pracatice
with an empty food tin can. The books (if you have them) will tell
you the size. Just a second and I will measure a couple of mine.
.
Inside diameter on the Crandall cup is 2 1/8 x 3-inches deep. You
want good SQUARE EDGED dice for stacking and the stack of four must
be just about 1/8 to 1/4 inch lower than the inside depth of the
cup when they are stacked.
.
I have a couple of European cups that are slightly conical shaped,
and gaffed ala chop cup as well. They are JUST AS GOOD.
.
I have a "Whip Cup" that will rolls all Aces when you want that
also works for stacking. It is 2 3/8 I.D. and 3 5/8 deep (for
slightly larger dice than the other cup).
.
I also have one that looks just like the casino cups with the
mushroom shaped pad on top whenon table mouth down. It is smooth
inside with no lip. It is 2 3/4 dia, 3 1/2 deep.
.
Hope that helps. The Audley Walsh and Crandall books are the best.
There are a couple of others, one I think by Marlo.
.
To learn it is best to kneel on the floor and work on the linoleum.
A table with formica is good. But on the floor saves you bending
over to keep picking them up.
.
I have suggested to some to make a clear plastic cup so you can
see the action inside as you work. No better way to learn.
.
Do not use a glass. Glass can break and cut your mitt!
.
Good luck.
Msg #37891 Dated 20:06:29 03-24-92 37882 <--> 37899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
My thumb tip is better looking than your thumb.
There, was that a thumb enough message for you?
Msg #37892 Dated 20:07:38 03-24-92 37879 <--> 37893
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Nope. I don't remember. The fact that you were there isn't in my
notes.
Msg #37893 Dated 20:08:02 03-24-92 37880 <--> 37908
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
RE: Marcel Marceau quote.
Now THAT was FUNNY!
Msg #37896 Dated 21:33:24 03-24-92 37818 <--> 37973
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS AND ME
Thanks, Bill, how kind of you! I was thrilled with the seminar! In
fact, today I had a group of tourists come into the agency from Japan.
They wanted to go to Las Vegas and asked me what there was that would
be interesting to see. I told them they could NOT go home without
seeing Sigfried and Roy. They just HAD to. It was beyond spectacular.
Then I said to move quickly and stop by and see Lance as it was sheer
beauty. Not to forget Melinda, Geno Munari, Gary Darwin, Kirby Van
Birch - well, you get the idea. The asked what the BEST in
entertainment was and I gave them the best! Better than best! And I
am happy that I can send people up there and know they will NEVER come
back and say "Hey, that show you recommended wasn't very good." In 7
years of travel I have NEVER heard ANYONE say they ddin't like Sigfried
and Roy. Well, one guy did, actually. But we dragged him out back and
shot him, so he won't bother anybody anymore.
I wish you could have heard my phone call home right after the
backstage tour. I played the part of the kid, my daughter, the
exasperated adult. I was yelling "Holly, Sigfried and Roy have a
DRAGON! It's AWESOME!" and SHE says "Well, of COURSE they do, Mom,
Sigfried and Roy have EVERYTHING!" like a large, terrifying,
laser-eyed dragon is just commonplace news when you're talking about
her heroes. I mean, would they have anything LESS? Of course Holly
believes the dragon is REAL. Don't try and tell her it's not. Don't
take her up and show her and pound on it and say "See? Metal!" She'll
come right back and tell you that it might LOOK like metal, but that is
to fool people who don't believe in dragons. Sigfried and Roy have a
REAL dragon. Just ask Holly. She'll tell you.
Magically,
Stace
Msg #37897 Dated 21:49:02 03-24-92 37876 <--> 37904
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Try a place called the Game Master. If they don't have one in Vegas,
I can check here for you.
Msg #37899 Dated 21:52:13 03-24-92 37764 <--> 37907
From: CHUCK RUBEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Pete, if you follow the pursuits of the "right wing" fundamentalists,
this is not uncommon thinking. A little scary!
Regards, Chuck....Nice to have had the chance to meet you at the DMS.
Msg #37900 Dated 21:55:34 03-24-92
From: CHUCK RUBEY
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUP
The San Francisco, House of Magic has one that is gimmicked but good.
Call Mark Burger at 415-346-2out it.
regards chu
Msg #37904 Dated 22:13:36 03-24-92 37876 <--> 38013
From: SCOTT MILLER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUP
I have been doing a stack routine for 10 years now and I still have
only been able to find the proper cup at the magic shops, sold as a set
with the dice!
Steelfyre
(****[===================>
Msg #37905 Dated 22:08:41 03-24-92 -> 37912
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: HOME SWEET HOME
Couldn't help thinking (again) what Roy had said about the kind
treatment of animals. And one comment I forgot to add about DMS that
impressed me was that every animal I saw was being thoughtfully taken
care of very well. The tigers looked exceedingly happy and so nice and
clean! And the beautiful dove I got to hold was so gentle I knew right
away it was well cared for. That made me so happy to see that.
Animals give so much and ask so little in return. My own meower was
waiting for me as I turned the corner into the driveway. She was
perched on the porch just meowing herself to death with happiness. Her
human was HOME! She resumed her place on the bed last night and we
went through our usual petting session before dozing off. I was told
she sat on the window sill for almost the entire length of DMS waiting
for the sound of the car that would bring me home. As Roy said, "Love
animals and be kind to them." Thanks Roy, for practicing what you
preach.
Love and magic
Stace
Msg #37906 Dated 22:36:50 03-24-92 37842 <-
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FOR SALE.
Hahahaha.
8-)
Msg #37907 Dated 22:37:56 03-24-92 37891 <--> 37910
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
You would pick on a cripple. If you really meant that, I would
hope for an apology. I had the end cut off when I was about 19
years old and it has grown back in a weird shapt. I have been
keeping it out of sight as much as possible, so as to not upset
people.
Msg #37908 Dated 22:38:02 03-24-92 37893 <--> 37916
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I thought so too. But, alas, it took two lines!
Msg #37910 Dated 22:38:12 03-24-92 37899 <--> 37929
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHUCK RUBEY (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Any "wing" is scarey... adios til next time... OH, JUST SAW A BIT
OF SOME KINDA SHOW ON TV channel switching and it was Dorothy
Dietrich doing magic, and escape and the bullet catch! Veddy
interesting... don't knw what the show was, as it was on some
obscure cable channel.
Msg #37912 Dated 22:38:25 03-24-92 37905 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HOME SWEET HOME
You might not know it, but the guy behind the counter at Joe's
dealer stand at DMS, Nick St. Erne, is not only a fine magician,
transplanted from Wichita, KS, but is a Veteranarian, specializing
in Fish and Birds... and takes care of most of the Doves, etc.
of all the magicians in Las Vegas, including Lance Burton's, etc.
and has been "magic advising" Melinda and is responsible for much
of the improvement in her show -- magic-wise. You read more real
news here on MAGIC! than anywhere in the world (except Holland
where they read all this and their own stuff too!)
.
If you are "browsing" Arnaud and T. Wonder... Congratulations on
your honors from Dr. Lichtman and the Board of Directors of MAGIC!
Msg #37916 Dated 23:27:33 03-24-92 37765 <--> 37917
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Let me see if I can remember my impressions of the contestents
(4th attempt at upload - for some reason it keeps bombing
at Sylvester)
.
Frank & Kitten - sleazy put down of lounge lizard magi.
Steve Spill - lost his timing about half way through, didn't seem UP
. for the competition.
Woody ?? - played a goofy kid adequetely.
Vic & Fabrizzi - wonderful mime act, with another guy running around
. pretending to do magic.
Scott Cervine - slow start, very funny bit about his first performanc
Kevin James - his standard act, very good but not necessarily funny.
Rudy Coby - always a joy to watch, not really comedy either.
Tony Chapin - technically very interesting and innovative.
Msg #37917 Dated 23:25:14 03-24-92 37885 <--> 37918
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Of course I have nothing against the use of invisible tools to create
the impression of impromptu magic. I just think the DMS contest would
be a hell of a lot more interesting if they weren't allowed. Given that
they are, I predict that you'll be seeing a lot of repetition in the
contest -- far more than might have otherwise been the case.
So, next year, when you watch the sixth person in a row throw things
into a Topit, you can remember this message and shed a tear for the
creativity that might have been...
Msg #37918 Dated 23:30:07 03-24-92 37765 <--> 37924
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Let me see if I can remember my impressions of the contestents
(5th attempt at upload - for some reason it keeps bombing
at Sylvester)
.
Frank & Kitten - sleazy put down of lounge lizard magi.
Steve Spill - lost his timing about half way through, didn't seem UP
. for the competition.
Woody ?? - played a goofy kid adequetely.
Vic & Fabrizzi - wonderful mime act, with another guy running around
. pretending to do magic.
Scott Cervine - slow start, very funny bit about his first performanc
Kevin James - his standard act, very good but not necessarily funny.
Rudy Coby - always a joy to watch, not really comedy either.
Tony Chapin - technically very interesting and innovative.
Sylvester the Jester - I personally like the concept, but every
. time I see the audience in shock I wonder if the magiclunpen are
. ready for him.
Gazzo - very funny guy, probably a wonderful street performer, act
. not quite ready for a full stage act.
.
The other two I don't remember.
.
Lectures were indeed worth the price of admission. For me the price
was made by learning a center tear from Terry Nosek and having
Roger Klaus show me his latest thinking on the TT bill switch.
Msg #37919 Dated 23:30:19 03-24-92 37625 <--> 37940
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
re:Moustache gaff
.
Yes it is gaffed - I use card daub to make it curl, works great at
the poker table.
Msg #37920 Dated 23:30:21 03-24-92 37709 <--> 37977
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I was in the Lennert Green lecture and the guy next to me was talking
about Sylvester wondering what kind of drugs he was on. I informed
him that he doesn't use drugs at all, but has different view of
what magic should be.
.
I sure wish he would drop the 'wild nose-hair' and ear wax bits, they
are a bit gross and don't help to get the audience on his side.
.
Doing something totally different or avant-garde is commendable, but
the fact that the audience doesn't react to it the way they think
they should makes it difficult at best. Tony Blake has a similiar
problem with his geek-man act. I think they are two of the most
unique acts around, but they don't get the reactions they expect.
I think Max hit upon it when he mentioned the fact that the
personna they present are not 'likable'.
Msg #37922 Dated 23:30:32 03-24-92 37800 <--> 37941
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
OK with me, Friday lunch next week (April 3rd - close enough to
April Fools to count). I will just come up for the lecture this
Sunday, need to do some stuff around here anyhow.
.
Who else is interested ? Marvin, Bruce, Evan, Stan, Mike, Wayne,
Kevin, ???? is anyone else game for this ??
Msg #37923 Dated 23:30:36 03-24-92 37821 <--> 38176
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
The counting should be easy, takes 3 people 1) Counting 1st place vot
es, 2) counting second, 3) counting 3rd. Each one has a list of all
12 contestants. Just pass the ballots from one to the other etc.
.
At the end muliply the 1st place votes by 3, the second by two and
then form a total for the 12 performers. Gives 1st, 2nd, 3rd real
quick.
Msg #37924 Dated 23:30:40 03-24-92 37804 <--> 37925
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
If that were true then a mime act would not have beat the magic acts!
.
It becomes obvious to me that magic must be lower in the food chain
of entertainment ! I quit - I'm no longer a magician !
.
I'll have to quit IBM and join the PEA - maybe one of them guys can
beat a mime - sheeesh !
.
That's 2 years in a row a mime doing magic has won, do I detect a
trend. I sure hope there aren't any close-up mimes or we are in deep
kaka for next year !
Msg #37925 Dated 23:30:46 03-24-92 37805 <--> 37935
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
There's somthing weird going on - I tried 3 times to upload to msgs
and it always stopped before the S in Sylvester which is the next
one one the list.
.
Will try one more time tonight.
Msg #37927 Dated 23:30:50 03-24-92 37814 <--> 37980
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I grew up in North Long Beach and would ride the bus downtown to a
magic shop on second street and while my grand-mother went shopping I
would spend about three hours having the guy show me trick after
trick.
.
When my grandmother came back I would end-up buying something for
about $ 3. I never knew the guy that owned that shop, but he sure
must have liked magic to spend 3 hours showing magic to 9-11 year kid
.
This happened about once a month over a 4 year period. I always got
magic for birthday and Christmas. Used to do shows for the neighbor
kids. When I was 14 it wasn't 'cool' to do magic so I quit. Resumed
about 14 years ago. Once bitten by the magic bug you become a
magic(pire) for life.
Msg #37928 Dated 23:30:57 03-24-92 37820 <--> 38165
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SCANNER
Yea we should have a third (or fourth or .... ) any volunteers ??
.
How about you Bill ??
Msg #37929 Dated 23:31:00 03-24-92 37882 <--> 37930
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Regarding the newscast on separation of church and state.
.
If the school where it was being taught is a public school and the
subject was Wicca (the religion of witches) then they have a case.
.
It would be interesting to know whether the suit is truly based on
a separation of church and state or another religious faction using
the law to crush a religion they don't approve of.
Msg #37930 Dated 23:32:34 03-24-92 37907 <--> 37934
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about THAT thumb. But I meant the other one.
Msg #37931 Dated 23:35:03 03-24-92 37826 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER STUPID SUIT
Try a close-up version of the shotgun pellet catch - that ought to
do it !
Msg #37932 Dated 23:35:05 03-24-92 37854 <--> 37942
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: AWARD
I wish to thank the board members for their kind thoughts of giving
me the coveted 'golden diskette'. I feel honored to be in such
company as Biro, Crabb, Vanrietschoten, and Wonder.
.
It was indeed totally unexpected.
.
For those of you that were not at the DMS MAGIC! session you may not
know of the award given to David Lichtman.
.
It was a malichite (green) carved frog I picked up on my trip to
Sedona on a base with three mushrooms (toad stools ?) made by Tabman
from 'magic' wood from the Neuvo DeCarlo woods.
.
The three mushrooms that became larger and higher represented - in
order 1) An idea, 2) Commitment, and 3) Excellance.
.
The brass plaque read -
.
To David "Frog" Lichtman
for bringing MAGIC! into our lives.
From the members of MAGIC! DMS 1992
.
David surprised me, but I got even by surprising him even more !
Msg #37933 Dated 23:35:16 03-24-92 -> 37983
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOP CUP
Ee;37887
I bought a really nice goblet chop cup in Vegas. What is the
definitive work on the chop cup and where can I get a copy ?
Msg #37934 Dated 23:34:38 03-24-92 37929 <--> 37981
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Biro said that the class was about magic and magicians, not about
Wicca. But he also said that the suit was being persued by one state
against the curriculum of another state, which, unless it was a typo,
doesn't sound right.
Msg #37935 Dated 23:36:21 03-24-92 37908 <--> 37936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yeah, but if he'd just said it differently it would have been a
one-liner.
Msg #37936 Dated 23:38:28 03-24-92 37924 <--> 37937
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You have a point there, Burton - after all, a mime based act did win!
Maybe skip the PEA and join MUM?
Msg #37937 Dated 23:39:11 03-24-92 37925 <--> 37944
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
It looks like you got it that last (fifth) time, Jerry. I have no idea
why it didn't like Sylvester -- maybe he's a different baud rate or
something?
Msg #37940 Dated 23:45:26 03-24-92 37919 <--> 38024
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Makes sense to me! Once upon a time I had a beard and moustache. But
I never coated it with card daub. Unless I was careful, it was usually
coated with minnestrone soup and hot fudge.
Msg #37941 Dated 23:47:16 03-24-92 37922 <--> 37961
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
I was talking with one of our MAGIC! colleagues tonite (who wishes to
remain nameless in this message) and we came up with a couple of
suggestions:
1) We need a good eulogy.
2) We need a song. I suggested "Ding, Dong, The Pig is dead!"
3) We need a centerpiece for the table - perhaps a jar of pickled
pig's feet nestled in a V.W. hubcap.
4) We need to figure out a menu message that will somehow get
past Milt.
Would you be willing to take the headcount and do the reservation?
Msg #37942 Dated 23:53:13 03-24-92 37932 <--> 37982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AWARD
You really nailed me with that presentation. Knowing where the items
came from and who put it together, along with its genuine beauty, has
made it one of the greatest gifts I have ever received. I thank
everyone for the work that went into that and for the sentiment.
Msg #37944 Dated 0:01:59 03-25-92 37918 <--> 37962
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
"Woody" was Woody Pittman, "Tony Chapin" was Tony Chapek, and the two
you didn't mention were The Magic Plumbers and Wes Zaharuk.
For those who weren't there, we should mention that the MC's were Aldo
Colombini for the first show and Johnny Thompson (The Great Tomsoni)
for the second show.
The non-contest entertainment during the shows was provided by Finn Jon
and Mike Michaels (1991 Winner) for the first show and Tom Mullica for
the second show.
Msg #37946 Dated 0:17:58 03-25-92 -> 37989
From: FRANK ZAK
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUPS
Burt,
You might try the gambling supply house in Buffalo. It is on the
tip of my tongue. I got it. George and Co. in Buffalo, NY. I think that
is where Eddie Fechter got his cups. The 3 books that I have om edice
stacking are by Marlo, Crandall, and Walsh. When I was practicing
stacking I worked on it for 6 MOS. got frustrated. through the cup and
dice in my case for almost a year. When I pulled it out I stacked the
dice the first try.
Msg #37947 Dated 0:21:52 03-25-92 -> 37990
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS #2
Pete,
I have a chance to watch the top comedy magicians that work the
comedy clubs here in Vegas. RE: Nick Lewin, Kozak, Hobson, Amazing
Jonathon, Farentino. Any one of them would have killed if they had
entered the contest. However, they were all too busy working to enter.
The above mentioned is just my humble opinion.
Msg #37948 Dated 0:25:45 03-25-92
From: FRANK ZAK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS #2
Read message 37947.
Msg #37959 Dated 7:53:37 03-25-92
From: JEFFREY COWAN
To: STACY
Re: SOFTWARE
Stacy, thanks for your offer. I've been out of town or would have
replied sooner. You can send the software to me at 3132 Canfield Ave.,
#7, LA CA 90034. I'll be happy to either return the disc or
reimburse you for its cost, whichever you prefer. Thanks a lot.
Msg #37961 Dated 10:37:17 03-25-92 37922 <--> 38034
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Count me in for lunch Apr 3. I know if Bruce is in town he'll be
there, but we'll have to let him know.
Do you think that David has forgotten that I owe him a lunch. RIGHT.
Msg #37962 Dated 10:40:14 03-25-92 37925 <--> 37963
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
It's the Sports Illustrated junx. Get on the cover and then have a
lousy season.
Same thing here. Get an award for your computer work, and then can't
send a message.
Msg #37963 Dated 10:48:10 03-25-92 37719 <--> 37964
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I would agree with you regarding the "Back Stage Tour" event. When
I originally suggested the concept to Joe, I wanted the role of the
stage in the actual production to be conveyed to the magician
audience. I do not feel that my original concept was realized
although the product that ended up being delivered was overall a
success with the audience. The tape was of VERY mixed quality with
some extremely poor camera work and editing. It tended to list the
statistics rather than the whys. For me, the greater items of
interest would have been which came first the stage or the show.
Why the massive lift? Why the ring? Why the lights? Of course,
there was a potential danger here that I realized from the start.
Who or what is really the star of the show? The stage or S&R? I
feared this might preclude the backstage tour concept from ever being
accepted. Fortunately, S&R did either not think of this or feel
their egos were threatened and they accepted the concept and took
full charge of its production. The BOD was a bit concerned about
the logistics of moving 800-900 people throught the backstage in the
available timeframe. The S&R staff resolved the problem by not
having a back stage tour as such but allowing the audience to come
close the the most obvious elements of the show - namely the dragon,
the costumes, and S&R as personified by their apartment. The only
bottleneck being the line to the apartment which was accepted by
those waiting since they could look about the stage while waiting or
examine the photos on the wall, etc. So, while it wasn't what I had
in mind originally, and I agree it was a mixed bag, it worked much
better than I ever thought it would. I still feel there it room for
a future effort that includes a presentation on the actual creation
and development phases.
Msg #37964 Dated 10:49:15 03-25-92 37765 <--> 37975
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
One should also bear in mind that success is like the proverbial
rose in that whomever is talking about it is using their terms to
measure it. Does Joe measure a given DMS successfullness in terms
of financial success, artistic achievement, customer happiness, or
personal satisfaction? I suspect he includes elements of all of the
above but most likely weights them differently than you or me. I
feel that Max's accessment of the backstage tour could be applied to
the entire DMS...mixed, but with high points.
Msg #37968 Dated 11:07:34 03-25-92 -> 38070
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Wed 25 Mar 92 02:13
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Sorry to hear you fell asleep at page 11, try page 12, the second
and third paragraph. Don't you agree with me that if more
magicians were aware of the meaning of these two paragraphs, that
magic would make an enormous progressCannot say that that though
is boring to me.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
---
Msg #37969 Dated 11:07:39 03-25-92 -> 38799
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Wed 25 Mar 92 02:14
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Even bastards sometimes have the capacity to write good books.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, 24 hours/day
---
Msg #37973 Dated 11:38:08 03-25-92 37585 <--> 38174
From: MIKE KING
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DMS AND ME
Didn't know you were a Wildcat. I happen to be a Hilltopper.
Graduated from Western many years ago. I was one of the Western
Kentucky magicains along with David Hoy, Bill Boley, Jim Wilkins and
others. Used to do magic at Kaintuck Territory and Beach Bend Park as
well as every college in the state. I did at least ten shows on the UK
campus while there. Nice to here someone else out there from God's
country. MIKE.
Msg #37975 Dated 12:34:10 03-25-92 37917 <--> 37976
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Before I logged on this AM, I thought about this subject and all of
a sudden recalled the REASON we decided to put in the wording that
"invisible devices" allowed.
.
We figured that they would use them anyway and the feeling of the
board, Jay, Obie, Wells, Joe and I -- and we had input from half-a
-dozen respected performers who had heard of the possibility of
the Improv -- was that we wanted to spell out as much as possible
up front. By laying the ground rules out NOW... fully a year in
advance, it would encourage creativity.
.
I can, however, see your point. But, lets think of this. What if
we didn't say anything about that? Don't you think those that
know how to use such devices would use them anyway?
.
Remember there will be 12 acts doing their CHOICE of material and
the audience will pick the 6 finalists who then go for the
improv set.
.
At least it hasn't been done before, and innovation is one thing
we always strive for.
.
My biggest concern this last time was how UNFUNNY so many acts
were. And how poor the entries were from 13 to about 50th...
Msg #37976 Dated 12:34:34 03-25-92 37918 <--> 37978
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Now you got to see James Lewis do his handling of the Bill Switch.
Should be easy as he is local to you and will be at IBM, SLC.
.
Canadian guy Zaharak with mixed bag of stuff (Big Balloon on head)
didn't have AN ACT... just disjoiinted bits.
Magic Plumbers... how can you forget? They all wore thumb tips
during entire act.
.
Your observations/opinions are goooooood.
Msg #37977 Dated 12:34:44 03-25-92 37920 <--> 38033
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I have preached "LIKABLE" IN PERFORMING for 40 years. I asked
Dan (Sylvester) if he was still doing the nose hair stuff...(in
a way to suggest it was not good) and he just said, "Yes, I have
a new handling on it."
.
Certain age people think all younger folks are on drugs if they
are not short haired, conservatively dressed. ARgh...
Msg #37978 Dated 12:34:52 03-25-92 37924 <--> 37979
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
My brain has faded (two jobs sucks) (got a third lined up doing a
monthly column for a Japanese Magazine... working to even up the
trade imbalance) but I forget who the Last Year MIME was? Who?
.
Before you reply. It makes me think that maybe it is because it
takes a lot of study, practice and skill to MIME... and the main
thing most Mimes do work on is there PERSONNA... attitude, acting,
wich most magicians DON'T think about at all. hmmmmmmmmmmm
Msg #37979 Dated 12:35:01 03-25-92 37925 <--> 37985
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
If I read your message one more time I am going to
Msg #37980 Dated 12:35:04 03-25-92 37927 <--> 38007
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I worked alongside a guy that did trick and fooled me (early teen)
got some to fool him back. Got job in Magic Shop working behind
counter demonstrating and making stuff.
Msg #37981 Dated 12:35:09 03-25-92 37930 <--> 37984
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
I only have one.
.
Willard, the man who grows, featued in Ripley's believe it or not.
(OK I blew the caps) only had one thumb. I knew him for years and
didnt' know it. Remind me to tell you of the amazing bloodless
surgery routine he used to do AND FOOL ME WITH... BADLY... not
knowing all those years he only had one thumb.
Msg #37982 Dated 12:35:17 03-25-92 37932 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AWARD
Twas good all around... not bad for computer Geeks!
Msg #37983 Dated 12:35:20 03-25-92 37933 <--> 38049
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CHOP CUP
There is no difinitive work. The Ken Brooke routine, the Don Alan
routine, The Larry Jennings/Ron Wilson/Bob Stensel is (IMHO) the
best and the one I use.
.
Paul Daniels does it on stage BIG SHOWS, 3,000 plus... it is all
his personality and asking the questions "where is it" etc... of
a person in the audience... no need to bring them up, just the
lines back and forth make Daniels' the best (I believe it is
based on the Ken Brooke Manuscript -- except the talk).
.
I have a couple of wild loads... one that would fit you. Get a
drumhead tube type load container to fit snugly into the cup.
Fill with rice or similar substance (small crystals... diamonds?)
OK, over the mouth place flash paper. Do you know wht this is?
Is a small load cell filled with something with paper cover to
keep from falling out... Mouth (paper covered) side DOWN.
.
Do ususal ball stuff and load in (secretly) the Jennings routine
cover with the silk and little glass IS THE BEST... (I believe
this was REALLY invented by Bob Stensel (around Detroit area, whre
Jennings came from)... load in the gaff....
.
By coincidence there happens to be a candle burning nearby (or you
can just light a match, lighter or anything...)
.
Now unde some pretext you say you need to fill the interior of
the cup with warm air (?) or whatever...
.
Hold cup over flame flash paper goes off and the rice, diamonds
or what.... fall to the table... use a cloth on table to pick up
cleanly....
.
Other load is a lump that fills cup with hole in it to hold stack
of coins or dice. When you lift the hlder sticks in cup and the
coins or dice are left standing on table. Sorry so brief, but you
can figger out or ask more later... got to go to job...by by
Msg #37984 Dated 12:35:55 03-25-92 37934 <--> 37995
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
I only heard the last part on the TV. Not all details...
Msg #37985 Dated 12:35:58 03-25-92 37935 <--> 37986
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
It was a one MIMER... his screen width is 160.
Msg #37986 Dated 12:36:01 03-25-92 37936 <--> 37988
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
What mime act. ARgh... Alzheimers sucks, I think.
Msg #37988 Dated 12:36:13 03-25-92 37944 <--> 37993
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
aH Mike... I guess you could call him a MIME, tho I don't... I have
a problem with his new bit... the HEAD that rises up at the end
of his act.
.
1: It is THE SAME AS RUDY COBY'S ENDING
2: It isn't as good as his SELF HEAD TWISTING
.
I was looking for him after to discuss, but couldn't find him...
and now he has left the country for a long run.
.
Since he won last year he has been BOOKED SOLID... BIG TIME...
by an agent that saw his performance at Seminar ...
Msg #37989 Dated 12:36:26 03-25-92 37946 <--> 38131
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: DICE CUPS
You need someone to help get started. Ask Tabman... he was almost
unable to do it... then I showed him the TOUCH.... the Crandall
book IS THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY SHOWS YOU THE NEEDED angle to
hold and swing the cup. Crandall used to do it on top of his
briefcase when at the Castle (you can't stack dice on the felt
top tables... just like you can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd).
Msg #37990 Dated 12:36:33 03-25-92 37947 <--> 38002
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: DMS #2
My guess is that half of the list would have done well, but half
(my opinion) would not... THE AUDIENCE AT THE SEMINAR was not a
normal CLUB audience... but MAGICALUMPEN..... MAGIC IS WHAT THEY
WANT...
.
One thing that most of your list contains are acts WITH ENERGY.
BIG TIME ENERGY IS 90-PERCENT IN COMEDY CLUBS.
.
My guess is that Cervine would be MILDLY OK in a Comedy Club,
based on his pace and energy. Stronger for Magic audience for his
magic content.
Msg #37993 Dated 14:55:16 03-25-92 37985 <--> 37994
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
OK, a one-mimer! Presumably, the shortest telegrams on record were an
interchange between Victor Hugo and his publisher. Hugo hadn't gotten
his check yet, so he sent:
?
The publisher responded with:
!
Msg #37994 Dated 14:56:55 03-25-92 37986 <--> 38004
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
The 1991 DMS winner was Mike Michaels, who reperformed his act at the
end of this year's first contest show. This years winners were Vic &
Fabrini.
Now, do you happen to know what mime it is?
Msg #37995 Dated 14:59:53 03-25-92 37981 <--> 38031
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
It sounds like Willard did thumb trick! Hey, wanna really nail a guy
who is using a thumb tip? Put a thumb tack in it!
ARGH! (tm - Biro)! I'm in a wicked mood today - tacky, tacky.
Msg #37999 Dated 15:15:28 03-25-92 -> 38118
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IBM SLC
Which day and what time do you lay over in Vegas on the way to SLC?
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