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Msg #38001 Dated 17:29:18 03-25-92 37566 <--> 38025
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Why I described the other bent coin routine was to give you the "lunch
money" out so you woulnot again get stuck not having enough souvenirs
for everyone. Main reason I don't do it anymore is bent coins tear
holes in your pockets!
Dinner some time sounds good. How is the taping coming?
Msg #38002 Dated 17:49:20 03-25-92 37990 <--> 38073
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS #2
Your assessment of how Scott Cervine's act plays to a lay audience is
incorrect. He goes over extremely well.
Msg #38004 Dated 17:53:02 03-25-92 37975 <--> 38010
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Your point that "those who know how to use such devices would use them
anyway" is moot. If the rules state that invisible tools are not
allowed, then they're not allowed. And, trust me, it would not be
difficult to ascertain if someone were breaking that rule, assuming you
had an educated panel of observers on hand.
My statement stands. Allowing the use of such devices will lower the
quality of creativity in next year's contest.
As to the input from "respected performers," I know -- I was one of the
ones Joe called, and I stressed very strongly that it was essential to
spell out the ground rules clearly. Speaking of which, the rules are
not at all clear in the pitch that was written up in the brochure given
out at the DMS.
Msg #38005 Dated 17:54:21 03-25-92
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: BLINDFOLDS AND CLIPBOARDS
Will anyone reccommend or comment on any commercial blindfolds or
clipboards currently available on the market. Is there any other source
other then the traditional catalogues? What should I be looking for in
a "better" clipboard? Any help???????????????????? Thanks.....
Msg #38007 Dated 19:44:14 03-25-92 37666 <--> 38015
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I keep hearing of Stensel's Aces. Where is it in print?
Msg #38009 Dated 19:44:29 03-25-92 37767 <--> 38017
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HILTON
Thanks for the recipe for the chicken soup. It sounds great. How
much water and how much of the ingredients? Chicken cut up for
first imersion? What kind of al dente noodles? I know that's the
condition at the finish, but what kind? Only the leek greens? No
parsley? It sounds great anyhow.
Msg #38010 Dated 19:44:39 03-25-92 37849 <--> 38011
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I'm getting a bit tired of mime bashing. Marcel Marceau is a
genius. Some bits are pure magic. The mimes I've seen at parties
are another matter. They just have strange costumes and
walk around. There maybe a message here. Some people bash magic
because of misinformed performers.
Msg #38011 Dated 19:44:48 03-25-92 37822 <--> 38012
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
How is the BOD of directors to know if an invisible aid is being
used? Yeah, a TT IS invisible. How do disqualifications work?
Msg #38012 Dated 19:44:55 03-25-92 37873 <--> 38018
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Was puzzled by "sanctioned". Had to reread messages to see that
you were not using in the negative sense. Why has your interest
"nosedived"?
Msg #38013 Dated 19:45:03 03-25-92 37887 <--> 38021
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Thanks for posting all the work on the dice cup. I have one from
a magic dealer and becayse of all the practice the worn part
shows it is not made of leather. Having one made seems to be the
way to go.
Msg #38015 Dated 19:48:08 03-25-92 37666 <--> 38038
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I keep hearing of Stensel's Aces. Where is it in print?
Msg #38017 Dated 19:48:24 03-25-92 37767 <--> 38040
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HILTON
Thanks for the recipe for the chicken soup. It sounds great. How
much water and how much of the ingredients? Chicken cut up for
first imersion? What kind of al dente noodles? I know that's the
condition at the finish, but what kind? Only the leek greens? No
parsley? It sounds great anyhow.
Msg #38018 Dated 19:48:33 03-25-92 37849 <--> 38019
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I'm getting a bit tired of mime bashing. Marcel Marceau is a
genius. Some bits are pure magic. The mimes I've seen at parties
are another matter. They just have strange costumes and
walk around. There maybe a message here. Some people bash magic
because of misinformed performers.
Msg #38019 Dated 19:48:42 03-25-92 37822 <--> 38020
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
How is the BOD of directors to know if an invisible aid is being
used? Yeah, a TT IS invisible. How do disqualifications work?
Msg #38020 Dated 19:48:49 03-25-92 37873 <--> 38026
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Was puzzled by "sanctioned". Had to reread messages to see that
you were not using in the negative sense. Why has your interest
"nosedived"?
Msg #38021 Dated 19:48:57 03-25-92 37887 <--> 38044
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Thanks for posting all the work on the dice cup. I have one from
a magic dealer and becayse of all the practice the worn part
shows it is not made of leather. Having one made seems to be the
way to go.
Msg #38023 Dated 19:50:15 03-25-92 37587 <--> 38241
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Stan,
We went during the week and saw the palace act also. They were
good. Blackmore and Gold had some great ideas about how some
illusions should be done.
Yes, I'm planning on being there Sunday. I've never been to a
lecture there, so I'll be real interested in seeing how it is all
arranged.
What does Lori do while you attend the lectures?
I'm hoping to make it to the pig wake a week from Friday. Are
you going to be there?
I'll bring some tapes on Sunday.
See you then.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38024 Dated 19:50:25 03-25-92 37595 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BLACKJACK
Max,
I guess that I have followed the wrong road in life. Oh well, if
I had wanted to be rich, it wouldn't have been hard. Just takes
a lifetime of doing nothing else.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38025 Dated 19:50:33 03-25-92 37619 <--> 38035
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
I enjoyed the video very much, and would recommend it to anyone.
I would consider it a personal favor if you would let me know the
next time you are performing.
It's kinda funny. You prefaced your video with a mention that
you weren't going to show any (much) performing information.
Just the illusions themselves. But I've seen MANY acts with no
more performance in their bag of tricks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38026 Dated 19:50:42 03-25-92 37622 <--> 38041
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Geez,
What'll I do with the money?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38027 Dated 19:56:53 03-25-92 37632 <--> 38133
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Frank,
Thank you very much for your generous offer. I think my wife
will be with me, so we'll probably get a room somewhere, but it
was very nice of you to offer.
I'll let you know when we're coming, and see if we can't arrange
dinner and a show.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38031 Dated 19:57:31 03-25-92 37910 <--> 38113
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Pete,
It was a show called "Just for the Record" which appeals to those
of us who read Guiness from cover to cover.
(I almost forgot you don't read back, so I'll let you know I'm
referring to your remarks about seeing Dorothy Dietrich on some
t.v. show.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38033 Dated 19:57:53 03-25-92 37920 <--> 38047
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Jerry,
Anthony was working under quite a handicap the night we saw him.
I won't say that the girl picked to "help" him was the drunkest
person in Castle history, but she might rate for most obnoxious.
I enjoyed Anthony's show, and could see where it could be great.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38034 Dated 19:58:01 03-25-92 37922 <--> 38111
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Jerry,
Unless work has other plans for me, I'll attend the great pig
wake.
p.s. On an entirely different note, I couldn't get the cards to
flash without distorting them horribly. However, cig papers were
a breeze. I'll bring them with me on Sunday.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38035 Dated 19:58:10 03-25-92 38001 <--> 38124
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Burt,
The machine is in the other room taping away.
I'll look forward to hearing from you. I should have all the
taping done this week.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38038 Dated 20:25:08 03-25-92 37666 <--> 38053
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I keep hearing of Stensel's Aces. Where is it in print?
Msg #38040 Dated 20:25:23 03-25-92 37767 <--> 38055
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HILTON
Thanks for the recipe for the chicken soup. It sounds great. How
much water and how much of the ingredients? Chicken cut up for
first imersion? What kind of al dente noodles? I know that's the
condition at the finish, but what kind? Only the leek greens? No
parsley? It sounds great anyhow.
Msg #38041 Dated 20:25:32 03-25-92 37849 <--> 38042
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I'm getting a bit tired of mime bashing. Marcel Marceau is a
genius. Some bits are pure magic. The mimes I've seen at parties
are another matter. They just have strange costumes and
walk around. There maybe a message here. Some people bash magic
because of misinformed performers.
Msg #38042 Dated 20:25:42 03-25-92 37822 <--> 38043
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
How is the BOD of directors to know if an invisible aid is being
used? Yeah, a TT IS invisible. How do disqualifications work?
Msg #38043 Dated 20:25:49 03-25-92 37873 <--> 38046
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Was puzzled by "sanctioned". Had to reread messages to see that
you were not using in the negative sense. Why has your interest
"nosedived"?
Msg #38044 Dated 20:25:56 03-25-92 37887 <--> 38059
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Thanks for posting all the work on the dice cup. I have one from
a magic dealer and becayse of all the practice the worn part
shows it is not made of leather. Having one made seems to be the
way to go.
Msg #38046 Dated 20:26:17 03-25-92 37963 <--> 38048
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Bill - good to see you at Lavand lecture in Washington. How about
that turnout? People from New York, Philadelphia, South Carolina.
I think Lavand made a bundle. he deserved it. That had to be one
of the highlights of my magical experience. That includes a lot
of years of viewing magic.
.
It's amazing seeing all of the great people, and being able to
say "hello". Why is it that I see some people I flee to the other
end of the room so as not even to say "Hi"? Other than this quirk
I don't feel I'm really hard nosed. Big eared, maybe, not hard
nosed.
Msg #38047 Dated 20:26:33 03-25-92 37977 <--> 38080
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Great story on Sylvester and the nose hairs. He sure does walk
with a different BAND. Don't agree that us old folks judge the
young entirely by dress. But if they act like nuts, we do wonder.
Most of us don't know what being on drugs is like. I'm sure that
people seeing my buddy Jeff Altman think he is on something. He
usually looks OK but acts WACKO.
Msg #38048 Dated 20:26:43 03-25-92 37978 <--> 38056
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Pete - There are a lot of mimes who don't have skill, don't
study, and don't know diddly about persona. They think if you
paint your face white and don't say anything - that's Mime. Yes,
therw are a lot of magicians who don't think about attitude etc.
but don't tar us all with the same brush. It takes a lot more to
become a great performing magician than many other theater arts.
Not only do we have to learn all the arts of the theater arts,
but also the hand skill.
Msg #38049 Dated 20:26:55 03-25-92 37983 <--> 38082
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOP CUP
Again!!!! Thanks for all the information on the Chop Cup. If you
are Daniel, you don't need all the wierd loads. I'm sure that Ken
would agree. Remember it ain't the size of the load - just the
difference.
Msg #38053 Dated 20:40:16 03-25-92 37666 <--> 38094
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I keep hearing of Stensel's Aces. Where is it in print?
Msg #38055 Dated 20:40:31 03-25-92 37767 <--> 38075
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HILTON
Thanks for the recipe for the chicken soup. It sounds great. How
much water and how much of the ingredients? Chicken cut up for
first imersion? What kind of al dente noodles? I know that's the
condition at the finish, but what kind? Only the leek greens? No
parsley? It sounds great anyhow.
Msg #38056 Dated 20:40:40 03-25-92 37849 <--> 38057
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I'm getting a bit tired of mime bashing. Marcel Marceau is a
genius. Some bits are pure magic. The mimes I've seen at parties
are another matter. They just have strange costumes and
walk around. There maybe a message here. Some people bash magic
because of misinformed performers.
Msg #38057 Dated 20:40:50 03-25-92 37822 <--> 38058
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
How is the BOD of directors to know if an invisible aid is being
used? Yeah, a TT IS invisible. How do disqualifications work?
Msg #38058 Dated 20:41:01 03-25-92 37873 <--> 38071
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Was puzzled by "sanctioned". Had to reread messages to see that
you were not using in the negative sense. Why has your interest
"nosedived"?
Msg #38059 Dated 20:41:08 03-25-92 37887 <--> 38233
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Thanks for posting all the work on the dice cup. I have one from
a magic dealer and becayse of all the practice the worn part
shows it is not made of leather. Having one made seems to be the
way to go.
Msg #38066 Dated 20:43:51 03-25-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: GOOD STUFF
HAVE I GOT GOODIES!
Just got a whole truckfull of travel goodies and these are really
great! I feel like Santa Claus, these are all so good! Okay, are
all of you guys ready to go on vacation? Stuck for a place?
Weeellll....
L.A. people - just put the finishing touches on a new charter to
Honolulu. $275 round trip from LAX to HNL. Flies on Friday,
Saturday and Sunday ONLY, both going and coming. But $275 - what's
not to like? Yes, it's a jet. Yes, it has seats. Jeez, you guys
want EVERYTHING!
Want to rough it for awhile? I have a New Zealand package that
includes round trip airfare from LAX, plus eight days rental on a
luxury motor home that is SUPER cheap!
Also got a WEEK in Tahiti for $799 which INCLUDES airfare!
Also have great Moorea, Bora Bora and Fiji packages, too.
Best yet - 7 days in Jamaica, hotel, air and FOOD for $399. For
$699 you have round trip air, hotel, all food and UNLIMITED water
sports! Scuba, windsurfing - whatever your little heart desires!
Las Vegas Escapes just delivered new hotel prices and they always
have rooms. Don't forget the Hilton Bounce Back for $24.95 a night
Sun-Thurs. You get a package of goodies to go along with it.
Got great fares to Europe - London, Paris, Rome, Amsterdam,
Frankfurt, Madrid, Zurich.
I even got a guy a great fare to Tallin, Estonia today (and you
guys thought I couldn't do it! If I can book Nekker Island, I can
book ANYWHERE!)
Oh! Almost forgot. We have Club Med specials too!
Basically, I can get you ANYWHERE and do it nice and cheap. I love
you guys and want the best for you at the best price. I think we
have some good ones this time around. I'm at 1-800-748-5520.
Love and magic
Stace (President, MTN)
Msg #38070 Dated 21:00:39 03-25-92 37968 <--> 38285
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
To: Tommy Wonder. OK, I'll go look at page 12. How are things?
Hope all is well with you and Sushi person!!!!
Msg #38071 Dated 21:00:42 03-25-92 37994 <--> 38076
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
When Mike Michaels stays at my house I sing... "Mime on my hands!"
Msg #38073 Dated 21:00:50 03-25-92 38002 <--> 38132
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS #2
I didn't think I said Cervine did not go well with a lay audience,
I felt I intimated he WOULD GO OVER BETTER WITH MAGIC AUDIENCE
THAN COMEDY MAGICIAN DOING LESS MAGIC. What time of day or nite
was my original message? ARgh...
Msg #38075 Dated 21:01:05 03-25-92 38009 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HILTON
I never do the Chicken soup the same twice. No fun that way. Put
the whole chicken in first go around. Water is just enuf to cover
about an 8 pounder! Calphalon pot is best.
.
I think my teapot is now older than any other I have owned! New
record being set daily!
Msg #38076 Dated 21:01:13 03-25-92 38010 <--> 38077
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
If you think Marceau is good wait til you see Les Bubb... a talking
mime. He is UNREAL...
Msg #38077 Dated 21:01:17 03-25-92 38011 <--> 38078
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
IF IT IS INVISIBLE WHO CARES? UH, I HAVE YET TO SEE AN INVISIBLE
THUMB TIP. Disqualifications? Hah... they are all out... NO, uh,
you take a deck of cards outof your pocket to work with and you
will be shot on site!
Msg #38078 Dated 21:01:22 03-25-92 38019 <--> 38081
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I saw a comic the other nite. Said his goal in life was "To Kill
a Mime. Will wait til he's inside that box...."
Msg #38080 Dated 21:01:34 03-25-92 38047 <--> 38232
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Saw Jeff on a TV special other night... he is great. He is funny.
Msg #38081 Dated 21:01:37 03-25-92 38048 <--> 38089
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
OK will paint you all with one spray can. Yep, bad is bad is bad.
But ANYONE doing great stuff does so only after lots of work or
lots of natural ability. Mime's have schools. There are none in
magic that I know of other than mail order and I think that one
is so out of date I can't stand acts that come from there. ARgh..
Msg #38082 Dated 21:01:43 03-25-92 38049 <--> 38282
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CHOP CUP
Ken Brooke once countered Ricky Jay's comment about the large load
available in a Paul Fox cup (owing to its shape the load can look
almost bigger than the cup) by taking Ricky and I to a pub and
walking up to a table with 3 couples having a good time. Ken did
the Vernon routine finishing with Lemons that were pretty small,
but MAJOR CHANGE FROM THE KNIT BALLS.... the audience rolled over
with surprise, applause, lafter...etc... Ken just picked up the
stuff and walked out telling Ricky, "See it isn't the size, its
the CHANGE".... WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST ENTERTAINING DISPLAYS OF
MAGIC I HAD EVER SEEN!
Msg #38083 Dated 21:01:01 03-25-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: POSTERS
Just hung a new poster of Lance on my office wall at the agency on
Monday. Since then I have sold 15 Vegas packages! They want to know
where they can see "HIM!" I think if I told them he was playing in
East Cowpie, Arkansas, they'd STILL want to go! Thanks Lance! You've
been a terrific selling point!
Msg #38087 Dated 22:07:41 03-25-92 -> 38098
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: SIX HUNDRED?!
That'll teach me, how am I ever going to catch up with nearly six
hundred messages since DMS? Let's see if I can hit the high
points.
As always, it was good to see old friends again, and meet some
new ones. Some of the Magic! names I ran across were:
David, Nathan and Anita, Geno, Jerry, Burt, Pete, Bill and Becki
Wells, Steve Bryant, Stacey, Charlie, Dante Larsen, Max Maven,
Patrice Moore, Bruce Sandercock. There may have been more, but
I'm lucky to remember that many! All the ones I talked to, I had
a great time. All the others that I saw but didn't have the
opportunity to speak to, thanks for allowing me to put faces with
the names.
Special thanks to tabman, your work is wonderful. Sorry you
couldn't make it in person. Your birds are doing well.
Burt, again, GOOD2CU2
Stacey, sorry we missed connections for Pizza, but glad you made
it safely. Yours is the best write up yet on the DMS experience.
I must agree that Cervine connected with the crowd on day one,
but Gazzo seemed to win over day two's crowd a bit easier. Maybe
it was a relief to see SOMEONE performing MAGIC that got Cervine
the votes. Still puzzled as why Gazzo didn't fare better. Even
more puzzled with Vic and Fabrini. Good act, sure, some good
bits, but magic? I wonder.
Burton, thanks for the candle list. I enjoyed our encounter at
DMS. Thanks for the help on making a mere trick something
MEMORABLE! You are truly Bizarre!
Max, I'm still in awe when in the presence of greatness, maybe
one more time and I'll have the nerve to introduce myself.
Sylvester, more likable in person, good close up, just didn't
connect well with the audience. Again, not really magic, just a
lot of stuff (good COMEDY CLUB stuff!) Needs a more likable stage
character.
David, I think you and Burton should put together a guide to
crashing shows. It seems a lot easier than we think. Just act
like you BELONG. For the Record: Jerry DID buy a ticket for
Lance's show, but lost it. Since it was sold out, no replacements
were available. What would YOU have done?
Jerry, do you think maybe there weren't any pad characters on the
line just before the "S" in Sylvester? That might explain the
quit and (S)ave sequence. Just a thought.
RE: DMS 93, Invisible tools? Hey, if they are truly invisible to
the diners, GO FOR IT! Even the dreaded Thumb Tip can be
"invisible" if it's done right.
If done well, who would know? If not,...NEXT PLEASE!!
Well, that should about cover it, until next time, this is....
David (the other one)
Signing off!
Msg #38089 Dated 22:29:31 03-25-92 38010 <--> 38090
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Far be it from me to bash mimes! For one thing, when you bash them,
you don't even get the satisfaction of hearing them scream. Seriously,
I have always regarded good mime as very high art.
Msg #38090 Dated 22:31:55 03-25-92 38026 <--> 38091
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Well, lets see . . . You could fund scholarships for needy MAGIC!
members. You could buy Biro a lot of thumb tips and tea kettles. You
could commission a close-up table the size of a pool table from Tabman.
You could take your wife on one of those spiffy cruises Stacey is
selling. You could get a 486-33 with Super-VGA, a gigabyte hard drive,
and a 14,400 bps (57,600 bps throughput) modem and really enjoy MAGIC!
Need any more suggestions for what to do with the DMS contest money?
Msg #38091 Dated 22:36:47 03-25-92 38071 <--> 38093
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
RE: Mike Michaels visiting your house.
Just remember to replace his batteries every three days.
I think they are dry cells.
Msg #38093 Dated 22:38:07 03-25-92 38077 <--> 38107
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You folks have discussed the rules for the 1993 DMS Contest quite a
bit, so I presume you've covered everything. But it sounds like the
qualifying is not going to be done on the same basis as the finals.
Doesn't this lead to the possibility that you will get folks who look
great on tape but who freeze in the impromptu set?
Msg #38094 Dated 22:40:43 03-25-92 38053 <--> 38112
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Uh, Cy -- I think you've set a new high for sending the same RDMAGIC
file more than once! Oh, well, good messages deserve to be read over
and over and over and over and . . .
Msg #38098 Dated 23:07:48 03-25-92 38087 <--> 38119
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SIX HUNDRED?!
It was great to see you at DMS, David! It just seemed that things were
moving so fast that you and I (and a great many other people) never
really had too much time to "connect." Oh, well, we can always keep
doing that here on MAGIC!
Msg #38106 Dated 0:15:42 03-26-92 -> 38244
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRILLIN
Jerry...
Am working on a synopsis of the chapter in the new Calvin Trillin book.
It's a rather lengthy piece so it may take me a few days to condense it
down to a good overview. It covers their independent lives before P&T
as well as the formation of the "Asparagus Valley Society" and their
run in both New York and San Francisco before the P&T show was formed.
Penn is from Greenville, New Jersey and Teller is from Philadelphia.
These guys are more normal than they let up to be and have a very deep
respect for magic (surprising?). They just feel, as I do, that magic
needs to "GROW UP!" and quite thinking that it's this mystical crap
that only a few can do.
.
I will give a rather lengthy and detailed synopsis soon, so I will
leave you with the above.
Tony
Msg #38107 Dated 0:34:37 03-26-92 37937 <--> 38108
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I think there was some kind of non-displayable control character
on the line prior to the Sylvester line. I finally went into
my editor and deleted characters and it finally took.
.
Sorry I garbaged up the system with the same message so many times.
Msg #38108 Dated 0:34:40 03-26-92 37944 <--> 38109
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Oh yea - the magic plumbers with leslie doing a scene from Fantasia !
.
Still can't remember what Wes Zaharuk did.
Msg #38109 Dated 0:34:43 03-26-92 37962 <--> 38110
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yea the jinx is the pits !
Msg #38110 Dated 0:34:46 03-26-92 37963 <--> 38114
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I enjoyed the opportunity to get close to 42 degree of freedom robot.
.
My only complaint was that I must have been surrounded by the Eoropea
n contingent, damn near short circuited my olfactory glands.
Msg #38111 Dated 0:34:49 03-26-92 38034 <--> 38123
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Have you tried doing flash 'bond paper' ? If you could make plain
paper then I could try to xerox some playing card backs on to them.
.
I still want to make some 'flash' cards.
Msg #38112 Dated 0:34:52 03-26-92 38094 <--> 38125
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I don't think he is using RDMAGIC, he some other means generating
duplicate messages.
Msg #38113 Dated 0:34:55 03-26-92 37934 <--> 38127
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
Is magic a religion ?? We sometimes get fanatical about it, but I'm
not sure that makes it a religion.
.
I'm also not sure about one state suing another one.
Msg #38114 Dated 0:34:58 03-26-92 37976 <--> 38115
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Now I remember why I forgot Zaharak !
.
Next time I see James I'll check with on the BS. I've seen him do it
and you are correcto - is very gooood !
Msg #38115 Dated 0:35:01 03-26-92 37978 <--> 38117
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Mike Maxwell's mechanical magician uses a lot of mime moves, only
difference is he is a single and does more magic.
.
My favorite mime is Les Bubb, who was the only one that talked in the
vaudville 2000 review I saw at the castle.
Msg #38117 Dated 0:35:05 03-26-92 38010 <--> 38121
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I saw Marcel Marceau's show at the OC Performing Arts center about a
year ago and 2 hours of mime can get pretty boring, even from the
master.
Msg #38118 Dated 0:35:08 03-26-92 37999 <--> 38181
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM SLC
Leave LA at 4:10 pm June 30th, in Vegas 5:10, leave Vegas 7:55 pm
for SLC arrive 10:06 pm.
Msg #38119 Dated 0:35:10 03-26-92 38098 <--> 38802
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SIX HUNDRED?!
Good to see you again as well. Glad to help on the 'crystal' connecti
on. Also thanks for putting me on to the Bascom stuff, will be orderi
ng soon.
Msg #38121 Dated 0:45:46 03-26-92 38107 <--> 38122
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
There are several people who say that there are "non-displayable
control characters" associated with Sylvester! Personally, I like the
guy (but I'm not convinced he's got his act organized in the best way),
but maybe MS-DOS machines don't care for him. Who knows what would
have happened if your message had been prepared on an Amiga or a Mac?
Msg #38122 Dated 0:48:28 03-26-92 38108 <--> 38145
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I thought Leslie (Manning) did a great job in the Plumbers. But the
act would be better if she had greater role in the show.
My notes for Wes Zaharuk read "Canada. Blower. Happy Face. Comedy -
No Magic." Maybe that will help?
Msg #38123 Dated 0:51:53 03-26-92 38111 <--> 38150
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
WARNING!!! DANGER!!!
Jerry -
The standard photocopy process, like the laser printer process, gets
the paper HOT for a moment! HOT!!! Do NOT try to put FLASH PAPER
through a copier or laser printer!!!
Do the printing FIRST, then treat the paper!
Msg #38124 Dated 0:52:46 03-26-92 38025 <--> 38172
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Yeah, that's one of the problems I see a lot; someone doing not so much
an act as a "dealer demo" sort of thing. Very strange, very
depressing.
Msg #38125 Dated 0:53:47 03-26-92 38112 <--> 38143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
OK, sorry, I didn't mean to sound like there was any "blame" attached
to RDMAGIC! Then again, the Biro has sometimes done a pretty good
multiple copy job with it.
Msg #38127 Dated 1:16:55 03-26-92 38113 <--> 38248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
I've never assumed that magic was the province of any particular
religion. The suit may be based on some notion that it is an
"anti-religion" and is therefore a religion. Who knows, I'm not the
one who heard it originally.
All told, there are about 21 or so references to magicians and
sorcerers in the King James Version of the Bible. Most of them are
sort of "put downs" - a kind of "could your magicians do this?" A few
are a bit more negative than that. Revelations 21:8 comes down
particularly hard on sorcerers - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and
the abominable, and murders, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which
burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
Guess you don't want to be buried with any flash paper.
Msg #38131 Dated 1:55:57 03-26-92 37989 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DICE CUPS
The Crandall book and cup is what I got started with. I still have the
Crandall cup. I was fortunate to have a friend give me a cup that Eddie
Fechter used. I really treasure it. You are right, It does take a
certain knack to stack the dice. However, if you have acquired the
knack but are trying to hard. I find I can't stack the dice. You almost
have to become one with the cup.
Msg #38132 Dated 1:59:04 03-26-92 37990 <--> 38155
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS #2
My regret is I didn't see the first nights show. I had a private party
that I was booked for.
Msg #38133 Dated 1:59:57 03-26-92 38027 <--> 38201
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I look forward to it!!!!!
Msg #38143 Dated 7:52:20 03-26-92 38053 <--> 38151
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Howcum the Stensel Ace message has been on here about five times?
Msg #38145 Dated 7:52:31 03-26-92 38089 <--> 38146
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Off the subject, but I just figured out why a lot of members of
MAGIC! Didn't spend time talking to each other at DMS... they
talk to one another ALL THE TIME day in and day out here....so at
a convention talk to others! ???
Msg #38146 Dated 7:52:37 03-26-92 38090 <--> 38147
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Who has the contest money?
Msg #38147 Dated 7:52:40 03-26-92 38093 <--> 38149
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
If they freeze we'll put them back into the fridge... I dunno, who
knows? Rules are made to be changed. ARgh... we gots a year...
Msg #38149 Dated 7:52:47 03-26-92 38108 <--> 38152
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Zaharuk had the Oven on stage and produced a pretty lady. Then
did some stuff with lawn blower attached to various inflatables,
then cut his own leg off and did bit with giant balloon with :-)
on it and generally did not go over well. He looked fantastic on
the audition tape. No method of selection is perfect!
Msg #38150 Dated 7:52:54 03-26-92 38111 <--> 38154
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Sounds like you need a bigger match. Why not make a rubber stamp
of, say, a 3 of spades, and stamp the image onto regular flash
paper?
Msg #38151 Dated 7:52:59 03-26-92 38112 <--> 38162
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
He had Deja Vu and Loss of Memory simultaneously
Msg #38152 Dated 7:53:02 03-26-92 38115 <--> 38153
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Les is great. Michaels has a lot of magic and it is solid stuff.
He never stops thinking and making new things. I just wish he
had not done the new finish... it is really too similar to Coby's.
I really liked the way he did the head twisting. Almost as good
as the guy at FISM with Frankenstein makeup... did INCREDIBLE bit
twisting his own head around full circle WITHOUT APPARATUS. And
without cover. Think about it.
Msg #38153 Dated 7:53:10 03-26-92 38117 <--> 38156
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Read Page 12, paragrapsh 2 and 3 (as per Tommy Wonder) of the Nelms
book. I would say you could cut those to paragraphs out and toss
the rest of the book.
Msg #38154 Dated 7:53:15 03-26-92 38123 <--> 38161
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Treat the paper? What, buy it a cookie? Nice idea flash paper in
a copier... former building occupied by magician vanished suddenly.
Msg #38155 Dated 7:53:19 03-26-92 38132 <--> 38254
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: DMS #2
AS you work, and sweaty hand takes over, it is easier to become
ONE with the cup... Seriously... it is much like bicycle riding,
once you got it... you got it...
Msg #38156 Dated 8:50:29 03-26-92 38145 <--> 38157
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Makes sense, Pete! Conventions are a time to talk to others! Funny
logic, but maybe you is right!
Msg #38157 Dated 8:51:40 03-26-92 38146 <--> 38158
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
RE: Who has the contest money?
Well, I would hope that right now Joe has it! But Kevin is planning on
winning it.
Msg #38158 Dated 8:52:53 03-26-92 38147 <--> 38159
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yep, you gots a year and the contestants gots a year. I guess that's
enough time to learn to spin plates on the tops of silverware. Hey!
Didn't you used to do that???
Msg #38159 Dated 8:56:32 03-26-92 38153 <--> 38166
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Now that you read page 12 of Nelms, Pete, you gotta try the section on
"Magic Lore" on pages 76 and 77.
Msg #38161 Dated 9:00:06 03-26-92 38154 <--> 38245
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
You got it! Flash paper through a copier could have been the cause of
the original Big Bang! Same would be true about a laser printer.
Msg #38162 Dated 9:56:04 03-26-92 37836 <--> 38167
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
An intellectual or someone under 30 years of age who has never seen
the Lone Ranger on TV or movies or heard the radio show!!
Msg #38163 Dated 9:56:13 03-26-92 37837 <--> 38164
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
You may be two or three pages ahead of me on the sleep inducing
properies of "Magic and Showmanship".
Msg #38164 Dated 9:56:20 03-26-92 37838 <--> 38169
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
I don't recall ever reading anything about Fitzkee, the man. It
would be interesting to know something about what he was like.
Msg #38165 Dated 9:56:29 03-26-92 37839 <--> 38178
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCANNER
Might be a landslide...but are you precluding the possibility of a
thumb tie?
Msg #38166 Dated 9:56:36 03-26-92 37840 <--> 38171
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Actually, I said "invisible tools" since I didn't recall that we
spelled out the exact details on this point. I remember the argument
that if the device and the use of the device is not seen, why should
its use not be permitted. I fail to see why that would leave out a
properly used thumb tip. I also recall a discussion regarding the
visibility question and if we should have lay judge(s) to address
this area since magicians might "think" they saw the device when they
in fact didn't or magicians would know where to look to see the
device. Who was going to judge the finalists, the audience or a set
of judges?? I don't remember. I know that the audience was going to
pick the six finalists. I would certainly welcome some discussion
regarding both the use of unseen devices AND the judging of the final
six. Any and all comments are welcome...lets hear from you.
Msg #38167 Dated 9:57:09 03-26-92 37843 <--> 38177
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
That kid's show with a character named Sparky came out of Cincinnati
and was called "Big John and Sparky". The theme song was the Teddy
Bears Picnic.
Grapettes I liked. Nehi had many favors and I don't recall liking
any of them. Yoo Hoo was the chocolate one...right? Of course, RCs
and Moon Pies were a big part of my growing up and were the alternate
menu with soda crackers and sardines when one went catfishing on the
river.
An Atomic Lightbulb was one of my early purchases as well.
Fortunately, Soft Soap and Rice's MisMade Flag were also in the
earlier buys.
Msg #38169 Dated 9:57:53 03-26-92 37845 <--> 38170
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Please understand that my arrival at work by 7 am does not necessaril
y mean I am functioning on all cylinders the moment I walk into the
office. A big cup of coffee is first on the list and I may be some-
what civil by 7:30 eastern standard time.
Msg #38170 Dated 9:58:06 03-26-92 37846 <--> 38184
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
You may never get out of purgatory if you don't get beyond page 4
in "Man Seeks the Devine" and I doubt the Nelms book will provide an
alternative route.
Msg #38171 Dated 9:58:16 03-26-92 37847 <--> 38173
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
My mention of Weber's book was only intended to provide one source of
information regarding the difference between impromptu and
improvisation in the event readers of the message needed further
discussion. My comments in no way endorse or condemn any of the
routines in that book. Agreements regarding use of routines in that
book are strictly between Mike and the purchasers of his book. I
certainly have nothing against Mike's book, but I would be disappoint
ed if the contest was won by someone doing published routines.
Msg #38172 Dated 9:58:38 03-26-92 37859 <--> 38229
From: BILL WELLS
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Try getting into the Tenkai (or as it has become known...Goshman)
pinch by balancing the coin on the middle finger and reaching over
with the third and little fingers for the clip. Circumstances
permitting the thump can be used to stabilize the coin as the pinch
grip is made.
Msg #38173 Dated 9:58:52 03-26-92 37873 <--> 38186
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
There was not total agreement on the BOD regarding the use of aids
or devices that are not seen. I don't think the final rules are
necessarily fixed. I would like to hear your reasoning for
prohibiting the use of such things as topits, pulls, thump tips, etc.
The question of their "invisibility" is also a point of some debate.
Msg #38174 Dated 9:59:07 03-26-92 37896 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DMS AND ME
You mean....the dragon ISN'T real????
I particularly liked the bumper sticker the crew had on the operating
panel of the dragon...
"Sometimes the Dragon Wins"
I understand that the beast has sometimes refused to return to his
lair forcing the cast to complete the show with him still in their
midst.
Msg #38176 Dated 9:59:36 03-26-92 37923 <--> 38234
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
Jerry,
It isn't that we don't know how we would have to count the 1st, 2nd,
and 3rd places, it is the mechanics of going thru some 600 or so
ballots and listing out all the combinations. I guess no ones thinks
it would make a big enough difference in the outcome. Next year we
will have one judging to determine the six finalists and then a
second judging to determine the final order. We will certainly be
discussing all these methods during the upcoming year. I would be
surprised to see some form of multiple voting for the finalist if the
public is the final judge.
Msg #38177 Dated 10:00:02 03-26-92 37927 <--> 38183
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You were fortunate to have ready access to a shop. I used to walk
two miles just to get to the mailbox that hopefully contained my
tiny little box of mail ordered magic.
Msg #38178 Dated 10:00:12 03-26-92 37928 <--> 38208
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCANNER
I will be glad to be a judge. Now we need to select an executioner.
Msg #38181 Dated 10:22:46 03-26-92 38118 <--> 38188
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IBM SLC
Too bad. Thought we might be able to kill some time together in the
Vegas airport and sit together to SLC. (Biro - I mean in same row but
seperate seats - gee). But I arrive the 30th 3:07 PM and depart 3:52.
Msg #38183 Dated 10:27:52 03-26-92 38167 <--> 38210
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Big John and Sparky - you nailed it, Bill! Yes, Yoo Hoo was the
chocolate one and I remember soda crackers and sardines too - I used to
like Moosebeck (Mooseback?) brand. But that was before I discovered
anchovies!
Didn't Sparky do some magic?
Msg #38184 Dated 10:32:12 03-26-92 38169 <--> 38185
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
It may be a local prejudice, Bill, but out here we assume that nobody
is civilized by eastern standard time, regardless of the hour.
Msg #38185 Dated 10:33:20 03-26-92 38170 <--> 38189
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
Yeah. It is a pity that Max never responded to my message about "Man
Seeks the Devine" as having been written by Andy. Perhaps he is too
young for that one?
The Nelms book might help! After all, if you can't impress 'em with
piety, you can always dazzle 'em with magic!
Msg #38186 Dated 10:47:44 03-26-92 38171 <--> 38190
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
When I suggested that permission to use Weber's routines be included on
the contest application form, I was being a bit sarcastic. I guess,
though, if Weber enters, he will give himself permission to use his own
routines.
Msg #38188 Dated 10:54:01 03-26-92 38181 <--> 38203
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM SLC
Hmmm... You will be there a couple of hours before Burton and I (we
are on the same plane - ooops, make that same aeroplane as I wouldn't
want to think about being on the same astral plane). There must be
some sort of setup we can pull in the airport! The chance is too good
to pass up!
Msg #38189 Dated 12:36:08 03-26-92 38185 <--> 38195
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Of course I understood the "Andy" joke. However, as I had _already_
teased you about the spelling error, I decided to let the matter drop.
Msg #38190 Dated 12:37:14 03-26-92 38173 <--> 38204
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
My reasoning is simple: if you allow the use of such devices you
virtually guarantee a less interesting set of results, as the challenge
to devise creative solutions is greatly reduced. As I said to Pete, if
such gaffs are allowed you will be seeing a parade of people throwing
saltshakers into Topits.
Consider just how much more intriguing the contest would be if the goal
was to create some strong magic with no technical preparation
whatsoever. _That_ is the contest I'd like to see.
Msg #38195 Dated 14:23:34 03-26-92 38189 <--> 38207
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
OK, fair enough -- I just figured it might have fallen into the
generation gap.
Msg #38197 Dated 14:54:03 03-26-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I believe that David will be on "This Morning America" on CBS on Monday
morning.
The Special is scheduled to air on Tuesday, March 31st, on CBS at 8
p.m. (check local listings). Immediately thereafter, of course, we'll
have a little symposium of reviews and comments here on MAGIC!.
Msg #38199 Dated 15:56:00 03-26-92 -> 38287
From: MARK PHILLIPS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: FICTION
I have only read the first book of the series (TIP ON A DEAD CRAB).
The character is supposedly based on Mike Skinner, although there is
little connection that I could see. The character rooms with a guy who
hangs out at the track. Shifty feels that the track is the only form
of gambling where an honest edge is possible(?!!!) He even excludes
Blackjack. There is very little talk of magic in the book, and even
though I have a little interest in horse racing, I found the book a
little boring. I guess I should check out a few of the others. Does
anyone know if they are any better?
Mark
Msg #38201 Dated 16:59:20 03-26-92 36793 <--> 38213
From: MARK PHILLIPS
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Hi Frank,
I met you a couple of years ago at Comdex, I'm a friend of Harry
Carroll and Bill Goldman, (I'm not sure which one introduced uss). As
for your question, I think you are right on the money with card to
wallet. I actually do bill to wallet, but the sealed envelope is the
same! If I had to make another choice, it would probably be a short
"Rothian" one coin routine followed immediately by copper silver in
their hand. You want some intimate involvement here, not just
something pretty. Looking forward to seeing other answers.
Mark
Msg #38202 Dated 17:06:06 03-26-92 37124 <-
From: MARK PHILLIPS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RED DOG
Stacey,
I'm probably too late on Red Dog, but wanted to let you know that you
should go see one of the Red Dog dealers at the Holiday Casino, he
really puts on a great show. You'll know if it's him, he'll have a
huge crowd of laughing people around him. Listen to the other folks
regarding betting though.
Msg #38203 Dated 17:09:33 03-26-92 38188 <--> 38214
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM SLC
OK with me if you can come up with something good. Jerry might not
fall for something to simple. But let's try.
I guess after this public message, we certainly won't be able to pull
the wool over his moustache.
Msg #38204 Dated 18:28:13 03-26-92 38158 <--> 38205
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yep, but the silverware wasn't silver. And the plates were un
breakable... argh...
Msg #38205 Dated 18:28:17 03-26-92 38159 <--> 38209
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
It is nice to have help with hard to read books, saving me all the
time going thru the unimportant stuff. Keep up the work.
Msg #38207 Dated 18:28:23 03-26-92 38164 <--> 38217
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
One source tells me he was an acoustical engineer.
Msg #38208 Dated 18:28:26 03-26-92 38165 <--> 38250
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SCANNER
You are too funny... too funny... Tounge Tips maybe...
Msg #38209 Dated 18:28:29 03-26-92 38166 <--> 38211
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
My FEAR and this is real. Is that the six best improv guys might
NOT be the best six with an act to qualify. I think that whole
area needs some big time discussion and thought.... mmmmmm?
Msg #38210 Dated 18:28:34 03-26-92 38167 <--> 38247
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Last three big time dittos... soft soap is still a killer and the
Mis Made flag is one I always want to add to the act nowadays.
Msg #38211 Dated 18:28:37 03-26-92 38190 <--> 38215
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You are right. Frankly, I would love to see some other things
happen but they are totally impractical. Like march someone into
a group of strangers in a bar and let 'em go... Tie one hand behind
a performer's back? OK, a mentalist would win that one... stay
tuned... it ain't over 'til...
Msg #38213 Dated 19:55:52 03-26-92 38201 <--> 38256
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARK PHILLIPS (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Welcome to MAGIC!, Mark. I think that you have a great point in your
message - that intimate involvement on the part of the prospect is
probably worth a great deal more than "pretty."
Msg #38214 Dated 19:57:00 03-26-92 38203 <--> 38249
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM SLC
Damn! I never thought of doing a set-up ON Jerry! It would have been
perfect! I meant that you set something up for the Great Burton The
Bizzare to do upon his arrival. Me? I could always do the video of
it!
Msg #38215 Dated 19:58:32 03-26-92 38204 <--> 38216
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You aren't suggesting that the contest table will be set with real
crystal and china, are you? I mean sheesh(!), we're talking about
magicians here - if they don't break the stuff, they'll cop it!
Msg #38216 Dated 19:59:50 03-26-92 38205 <--> 38252
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yeah, when Tommy and I are all through, we're going to post a guide to
the important lines in Nelms.
Msg #38217 Dated 20:02:52 03-26-92 38164 <--> 38266
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
More than one source says Fitzkee (Fitzroy) was an acoustical engineer.
He had a sort of dapper look, with slightly protruding parabolic ears.
Msg #38219 Dated 21:05:37 03-26-92
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
Three part message --
Hard to believe -- my fourth Stevens convention in five
years. Also amazing how Joe always seems to come up
with something unforgettable, true once-in-a-lifetime
opportunities (how many of you missed the chance to see
Marlo?). This year was no exception. Following are a
few of the things that stood out for me. Hope I can
give those who didn't attend a sense of what it was
like.
BEST DUOS -- (1) Rene Lavand and Tina Lenert. The
pairing of Lavand (who hails from a small town in
Argentina) with Tina constituted the absolute highlight
of the convention for me. Lavand spoke only Spanish,
and Tina translated brilliantly. (I asked her later
how she had acquired such skill, and she said she had
spent her first 12 years in Venezuela.) Both were
utterly charming, and Tina's own delight and
astonishment in Lavand's magic complemented his
lectures and performances. Lavand has only one hand,
and with this restriction performed flawless original
miracles with cards and a 3 ball and cup set. Although
he presents his magic seriously (none of the usual bad
magic gags that accompany many closeup performances),
much humor evolves from the sheer impossibility of what
the audience sees. Definitely in the Slydini/Vernon
class. (2) Kevin James and Antonio. As most of you
know, Kevin works with a very small and highly
charismatic person who appears as a Charlie Chaplin
character. At the awards ceremony, Roy (of Siegfried
and ...) made a special point of introducing Antonio,
who used to double for Roy. I'll mention the act later,
but these two are really starting to click as one of
the great acts in magical history. One could imagine
them being discussed in some future edition of LEARNED
PIGS AND FIREPROOF WOMEN. (3) Thomsoni and Company.
While I've seen Johnny Thompson a few times in the past
few years, I haven't seen Pam in a while. She trudged
on stage several times as Johnny emceed one of the
contest events, and she cracked me up each time. All
the guys who tried to win the comedy competition should
envy her talent.
DO YOUR OWN THING -- The Thursday afternoon impromptu
closeup (right!) session offered a preview of some of
the acts that would go on to make this convention
special, including Rene Lavand, Lennart Green, Mike
Close, and Aldo Colombini. Example: Colombini throws
a ball into the audience to obtain a random spectator.
A spectator with the ball comes forward from a
completely different part of the audience. A card is
selected and replaced, and the deck is placed in the
spectator's mouth. Colombini bashes him in the head,
and all the cards fall out but one. A few other
special acts appeared in this session only, including
Mike Galloway with a WIN/LOSE deck on the market, Ramon
Galindo with lovely coin, card, and parakeet
productions, and, once again, Crazy Paul. This year
Paul began by eating a live tiger bug (of which he had
several) and concluded by removing a live mouse from
his mouth. Wish he had been in the contest -- I'd love
to see this guy's entire act. Don't remember what he
did, but also enjoyed the far out character Loch David
Crane who is running for mayor of San Diego. Only in
California!
Msg #38220 Dated 21:06:39 03-26-92
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
Part 2 of 3 --
MELINDA AT THE SANDS -- Melinda opened recently at the
Sands following a very short break from the Sahara, and
she brought all the flash and energy with her that make
her a must see act. New illusions from last year
(including an ambitious one in which a motorscooter is
driven through her) and the addition of Barclay Shaw
with his marionettes have only improved an already
great show, which also continues to feature great
dancers and juggler Anthony Gatto. (I understood from
Barclay later that it was his opening night, Tuesday
the 17th.) One nice bit on the night I attended: One
of the many things that happens during my favorite
opening routine in magic is that Melinda produces a
large male lion. She reached into the cage to scratch
his head, and the lion seemed to love it (who
wouldn't???), his back leg scratching in the air like a
puppy's. I should mention that we had difficult seats,
about as far to the right as one could sit, which
initially made me worry. No problem however: the crew
expertly observed the sight lines, and none of the
various switches that occur during the show were
tipped. I am always curious as to how non-magicians
are attracted to these shows we all see, and so I asked
a nearby couple how they came to be there. They said
that they had heard it was a good show, and that it
didn't cost $70. They weren't disappointed. Melinda
and company were in top form, and I regret that I saw
the show only once this trip. Mmmm. Be still my
beating heart.
MELINDA AT THE TROPICANA -- On the second day of the
DMS contest, the major stars of Las Vegas magic
(Melinda, Lance Burton, Siegfried and Roy) attended the
show (where, incidentally, they saw some terrific
acts). Halfway through the show, Johnny Thompson
announced a ten-minute intermission, and those of us of
a mind and fleet of feet made a beeline to Melinda's
booth, to pay our respects. I arrived a couple of
heartbeats ahead of Max. I thought it ironic that
Lance Burton, arguably the world's greatest magician
and sitting there with his arm around Melinda, achieved
invisibility as everyone queued up to fawn over
Melinda. Ah, skill is one thing, star quality another.
But as to Lance . . .
LANCE BURTON AT THE HACIENDA -- An hour before Lance's
11:00 Saturday show, I asked young Nathan Lichtman how
the show had been. He pronounced it "fine," and indeed
it was. Anticipation built as Lance made a brief
appearance at the between-show party, looking not
unlike Robert Palmer with his backup dancers. Others
told me, prior to the show, that Lance's show was the
second best magic show in town. I disagree. I think
it's the best magic show in town. I'm not a Siegfried
and Roy basher: their extravaganza is possibly the
greatest theatrical experience ever put together. And
I'm a diehard Melinda fan. But when it comes to magic
Lance does it all. Flawless manipulation, impossible
dove productions, great at talking to the audience, and
startling illusions that send you home talking about
them. When people discuss his levitation, they usually
emphasize the erotic nature of it (I'd love to be
Lance's understudy!), and in doing so they fail to
mention what a fooler it also happens to be. A very
brightly lit stage behind him, Lance and his friend
rise slowly to the rafters, and I for one have no idea
how. From the first pre-show Elvis Presley songs to
the final spin of Lance's hat, this is a magic show for
the record books. Lance also features comedic juggler
Michael Goudot (who juggles 3 beanbag chairs) and six
stunning dancers who do the second show topless.
SIEGFRIED AND ROY BACKSTAGE AT THE MIRAGE -- This year
I arrived in Las Vegas early and took my sisters and
mother to see Siegfried and Roy on Monday and Melinda
on Tuesday; they loved both shows. Having just seen
the S and R show for the second time, I was looking
forward to seeing their backstage tour on Saturday.
Great fun. Following a brief movie tour of the
physical plant that backs up the show, S and R brought
out their incredible dragon for part of its show
number, accompanied by several lovely dancers in brief
centurion costumes (at least that comes close). They
froze the dragon and let us on stage to see it up
close. Following this, we were allowed upstairs to S
and R's apartment. Roy's bedroom, which has a
meditation pad rather than a bed, had three glass
enclosures, one containing a vulture, another a mature
white tiger, and the third a gang of baby tigers, one
wrestling wildly with a small blanket. Siegfried's
bedside table supported a nice collection of current
magic books. The bedrooms and living room were
lavishly decorated, and the beautiful centurions stood
guard as 800 or so of us paraded through the place.
Msg #38221 Dated 21:07:52 03-26-92 -> 38237
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
Part 3 of 3 --
THE CONTEST -- My favorite part of any Joe Stevens
convention is the contest. Entries are distilled to
twelve of the best, and the percentage of excellent
acts is therefore extremely high. This year, there was
some complaining that not all of the acts were comedy
acts. Or at least sufficiently comic. Personally, I
didn't mind, because the acts were extraordinarily
creative and accomplished. Some stuff struck me as
quite funny, such as the Magic Plumbers producing a
signed toilet seat in wallet, and Woody Pittman getting
a girl up on stage and telling her this wacky story
about shaving his pets and trying to flush them down
the toilet. I don't remember if he ever did a trick
for her or not. Tony Chapek's mix of live performance
with a character on television was very clever. But my
favorite acts, in no special order, were as follows:
(1) Scott Cervine. Scott made me laugh the loudest,
with his zany dancing and with his impression of his
first magic performance. Really funny when a dancing
cane whirled around him once and then shot across the
stage as the thread apparently broke. Scott came in
second. (2) Gazzo Macee. A street performer who said
this was his first time on stage, Gazzo certainly
seemed at home there and was a master with the
microphone. Very funny at working the audience. Very
British accent, and he looks like a young (but
handsomer) Phil Collins. I was surprised that he
didn't place in the top three. (3) Kevin James.
Previously, I'd seen only part of Kevin's act, and it
was great to see it all. Walks on his hands (?),
produces a living hand from a box, brings a Charlie
Chaplin doll to life, sucks him into a vacuum cleaner,
carries him off by his nose, etc. Weird stuff. (4)
Rudy Coby. Until now all I had ever seen Rudy do was
his four-legged man. Lots of body magic this time.
Highlight was a robot pushing a table across the stage.
At least the top half is a female robot. The bottom
half is a very real and live bottom half of a human
female, scantily clad. I want one of these
robot/tables. A personal note. Last year I complained
because the contest emcees for one of the shows were
political types, not pro entertainers. This year's
emcees were Aldo Colombini and Johnny Thompson, and
both were strong.
CARD MAGIC -- I love card magic and saw some truly
wonderful things this time. Lennart Green of Sweden
and Rene Lavand fooled everyone. Green's material is
built around separating reds and blacks from a shuffled
deck (then clubs and spades, etc.). He takes his
glasses off and blinds himself with a laser beam, then
proceeds as a blind man to shuffle the deck by mushing
it around on the table, then produces the cards in
order by suit. Got to see him do this later for Paul
Harris, who arrived late. Fun to watch Paul's eyes
widen. Lavand had a stunning one-hand oil and water,
done very slowly. Should also mention that Geno Munari
really caught me by letting me push four aces all the
way into the deck, and then he dealt them into a
designated poker hand.
CUTEST FEMALE COMPANION -- Lots of talk this year about
Joe's wording re female companions. Because being a
magician is often considered a sort of nerdy thing to
be in high school, I am impressed when one of the
brethren latches onto a real beauty. This year the
drop dead winner as most gorgeous female companion was
the 22-year-old friend of Gazzo Magee, who is also a
model. The story, and I am happy to believe it, is
that she saw him doing street magic somewhere and said
that this was the man for her. Romance lives. Makes
one want to take up street magic.
HOTTEST DEALER ITEM -- Mike Close's pothole trick from
WORKERS I. Mike did his best Al Cohen nonstop dealer
demonstration and gathered a crowd every time he
demonstrated, which was almost constantly.
SECOND HOTTEST DEALER ITEM -- Mike Close's toothpick
through bill from WORKERS II (also available separately
complete with gaff).
FUNNIEST LINE OF THE CONVENTION -- Mike Close's line
about ...
Sorry, can't print it. MAGIC! doesn't condone slander,
even for a laugh.
KITTY LITTER -- I think Max Maven tapped into a trend
when he came up with his Meow Mix feature in M A G I C.
It was amazing how many catty things I heard this trip,
from all sorts of people about all sorts of people.
Lots of jealousy and sour grapes out there in
magicland. Too bad. If you watch talent such as was
present in the contest, or if you go to see, say,
Melinda or Lance or Siegfried and Roy, and you don't
have a really good time, then I suggest it isn't the
fault of the performers.
FINAL THRILLS -- In addition to the continuing
pleasure of meeting and spending time with MAGIC!
members (exciting to watch one of us crash a major show
after losing his ticket!), people are what always make
a convention fun. Thanks, Geno, for letting me see
your new showroom at the San Remo. Fun to meet the
Roger Burgets. To see the Dick Dales again, and Chuck
Rubey. And Ted Jordan. To meet Loch David Crane. And
Dante Larsen. And the Bill Wells. A SPECIAL thrill to
meet Gloria Marcom, aka Vampira. Ditto Amy Stevens.
Only regret is that my old friend from past
conventions, Charles Penton, is no longer with us. He
would have liked this one.
Msg #38229 Dated 21:37:55 03-26-92 38172 <--> 38230
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Thanks for the advice and I wil try it. What I was referring to before
was going into the back clip immediately after a classic back palm as
a means of flattening out the hand.
Msg #38230 Dated 21:40:08 03-26-92 37527 <--> 38238
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
David, you asked "Why should I be judged by my job title?" At first it
might seem that the proper answer should be that job title is
irrelevant. This to me has been a very important part of my life and
should be closely considered by all magicians and mentalists. For the
most part of my adult life I have worked in sales and marketing. For
several years this was eyeball to eyeball with a homeowner selling some
room addition or other home improvement construction.
I have learned a great deal about designing your show for your
audience from this experience. I have learned that by knowing someones
occupation I can tell a great deal about them. In spite of the fact
that many people are not happy with their jobs, people seem to
gravitate towards things that they are interested in. Space here does
not permit me to go into the behavioral science studies that are the
foundation of the philosophies propounded in the sales books, but
suffice that I can do a cold reading by knowing someones occupation. In
some cases there are striking correlations between occupation and
favorite colors, foods, and recreational activities. Etiquette,
vocabulary skills, and energy level also vary by occupation.
How does this all relate to magic? If you are performing for any
group you should tailor your story line to your audience. Auto
mechanics will not be enchanted by a discourse in metaphysics, but a
group of doctors might be. The blue collar workers are usually more
appreciative of visual, energetic magic. An engineer will view each
effect as a puzzle to be solved. Knowing that an accountants favorite
colors are most likely green (65%) or brown (25%) or that an executives
favorite color is most likely dark blue (80%) might be all it takes to
be a miracle worker.
Why do new aquaintances ask the occupation question? Because we are
all looking for common ground to start a conversation. I also believe
that subliminally we know many of the above types of things about
people by knowing their occupation. Yes it is stereotyping and is not
100% accurate, but I know lots of salesmen who make very good livings
by knowing how to play to their audience just by knowing about someones
occupation.
Msg #38231 Dated 21:40:15 03-26-92 37150 <-
From: WAYNE N KEYSER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: WASHINGTON DC AREA
Al would have told you (it's no secret):
IBM meets First Wednesday at 8pm (Dinner at 7) Channel Inn on Maine
Avenue, SAM meets (third??) Wednesday 8pm National Press Club, plus
call Al ahead for info on any special lectures he may know about.
Msg #38232 Dated 21:41:51 03-26-92 37977 <--> 38275
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
I am also one who makes the "druggie" correlation with Sylvester. While
I may have short hair I am in the same generation with the Jester. I
like many of the things he does in the act but my druggie comment comes
from going to a high school where the drug culture was very popular.
There are several direct references to being on drugs. Such as "I'm
starting to get a buzz" After hitting himself 3 times with a frying pan
after doing the parody of the public service commercial "This is my
brain...This is drugs......This is my brain on drugs" There were
several other places in the act where the tone of voice used and
attitude were of one who was loaded. In a way it sort of reminded me of
the actions of the burned out kid in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgmont
High". I also agree that the persona displayed was not likable. If that
persona were changed somewhat and the gross sight gags removed it could
be a very good act.
I have seen Sylvester several times now and there are many parts of the
act that I do like. In a smaller setting like the Castle's main stage
some of the effects like the anvil production are absolutely killer.
Overall I think Sylvester is good technically at what he does, but he
desperately needs another writer.
P.S. sorry about all the " " ,Evan.
Msg #38233 Dated 21:43:05 03-26-92 37887 <--> 38261
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Thanks to all who responded to my dice cup query. I have the Crandall
book (from H&R, thanks Charlie) and what apppear to be good
instructions are in _Close-Up Illusions_ by Oullet. Thanks especially
for the measurements Pete. A clear cup sounds like a good idea too. I
may be able to fabricate one like that from plexiglass tubing. I will
also check out Gamemaster, Houe of Magic, and George and Co. I will be
using square edge dice. Picked up a bunch of used casino dice while in
Lost Wages.
Msg #38234 Dated 21:43:46 03-26-92 37821 <--> 38251
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
RE: Desert Magic Judging
It would seem to me the easiest way for people to vote for all three
places would be to assign a point score system. A first place vote
would be equal to three points, second place two points, and third
place one point. The points are then totalled for each contestant.
Whoever has the most points wins first place, second most points wins
second place, etc. This would not really require any more work to
tabulate than the current method and would serve to even out the scores
and have all of the other benifits we discussed last year.
Msg #38235 Dated 21:44:37 03-26-92 37361 <-
From: WAYNE N KEYSER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
If YOU were the most famous American magician, making the kind of $$$
he does, would YOU want Mike Wallace in your face?
Look, he does wonderful work (and has, in his own way, redefined
illusion ... a much-needed development) and he has, without exception,
the ,most beautiful women in magic (did you SEE that awful wench in
the MAVGIC article on Lance Burton???), so let the guy alone!
Msg #38236 Dated 21:50:03 03-26-92 37534 <-
From: WAYNE N KEYSER
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: FLAKES
Happened to me once ... all I could figure was: VERY smart kids!
The ones I love are when I find nobody home and a neighbor says 'They
decided to go to Chuck E Cheese', or when I find someone else
already performing and someone says 'My sister got someone else and
I -- uh -- I think I lost your number' ... I have no solution to
your problem ... my solution to mine is to price myself out of reach of
people who are likely to pull that sort of stunt.
Msg #38237 Dated 21:55:08 03-26-92 38221 <--> 38264
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
Steve -
Thank you for a SUPERB Desert Magic Seminar report! Reading it was
like walking back through the Seminar only I'm a little jealous - this
year I didn't get to see Melinda! Your report on her show helped!
Msg #38238 Dated 21:58:00 03-26-92 38230 <--> 38368
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Thank you for a well-reasoned response to my gripe about being judged
by job title. I guess that in my case my gripe is motivated by the
fact that I am what Dianne Brill describes as a "slash person," one who
has multiple titles. In my series of careers I've been everything from
a busboy to a truckdriver to a university professor to a training
developer, with stops in between to be a DJ and newscaster, mage,
MAGIC! sysop, and a few other things. What bothers me is that the
roles like being a professor got more respect than being a truckdriver,
even though I was the same person.
Lately, I tend to tell people I'm a househusband and just let it go at
that.
Msg #38241 Dated 22:28:43 03-26-92 38023 <--> 38393
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
I have to work on Friday so I will be unable to attend brunch. I do
plan on being at the Sunday lecture and as to what Lori does while I'm
away, I'm not sure. Probably enjoys the break from watching me
practice!
Msg #38244 Dated 0:45:35 03-27-92 38106 <--> 38337
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: TRILLIN
Thanks Tony, look forward to the synopsis.
.
Can you join us next Friday for the pig-wake ? Need to have the
geek contingent represented.
Msg #38245 Dated 0:45:37 03-27-92 38123 <--> 38246
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Yea that's right the copier does get rather hot, I wonder what the
flash temperature is for a flash bond. Maybe using an offset press
would work.
Msg #38246 Dated 0:45:39 03-27-92 38150 <--> 38258
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
No Pete, I want to do the effect Tabman published in Jim Sisti's
mag, and burn the card afterwards and have it reappear restored
face up in the deck with them holding the missing corner.
.
I need a card (back only) that will burn reasonably fast. Normal
cards take for ever, unless you douse them with lighter fluid.
Msg #38247 Dated 0:45:43 03-27-92 38125 <--> 38259
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I was not accepting any "blame", its just that he has done it before
and when I made a suggestion as to how to avoid the problem with
RDMAGIC he said he wasn't using RDMAGIC.
.
I'm working on a version that checks for the existence of MAGIC.REP
and gives you a chance to rename, delete, or append to it.
.
It also prompts you to delete or rename the MAGIC.LOG file when you
exit the program.
Msg #38248 Dated 0:45:49 03-27-92 38127 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEWSCAST
If you were buried with flashpaper it wouldn't last very long with
all the hell-fire and brimstone around.
.
The most interesting thing about religions is that they take all the
good rituals for their own and denounce the ones who originally
created them.
Msg #38249 Dated 0:45:53 03-27-92 38181 <--> 38300
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM SLC
Where are you coming from to get into LV at 3:07 pm ?
Msg #38250 Dated 0:45:55 03-27-92 38178 <--> 40101
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SCANNER
Is the executioner for the winner or the loser ??
Msg #38251 Dated 0:45:56 03-27-92 38176 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUBMARINE RIDE FROM LV
Do the votes from the first round get added to the second 'improv'
round to determine the overall winner or are they independant ?
.
It seems that by adding to two scores together it would even things
out.
Msg #38252 Dated 0:46:00 03-27-92 38216 <--> 38267
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
See my msg to Bill regarding adding the scores for the qualifying
round to the improv round. Kinda like ice skating competitions,
where the person with the most points over several events is
considered the _overall_ winner.
Msg #38254 Dated 1:02:50 03-27-92 38155 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS #2
I agree with you. As you become ONE with the CUP. The force takes over
and all runs (or stacks) smoothly.
Msg #38256 Dated 1:06:03 03-27-92 38201 <--> 38467
From: FRANK ZAK
To: MARK PHILLIPS (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
There were some good answers. Then everone seemed to get sidetracked.
I remember meeting you. It was Harry that did the intrductions. How
have things been with you?
Msg #38258 Dated 1:15:08 03-27-92 38245 <--> 38277
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
An offset press might work on flash bond - but I don't recommend
thermo-engraving!
Msg #38259 Dated 1:16:28 03-27-92 38247 <--> 38262
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
The new version, with a check for a MAGIC.REP and MAGIC.LOG file sounds
good! Thanks!
Msg #38261 Dated 1:37:28 03-27-92 38233 <--> 38276
From: T A WATERS
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUP
Another tome you might check -- if you haven't already -- is Marlo's
SHOOT THE WORKS; I learned stacking from it, and it has a lot of other
good stuff.
Msg #38262 Dated 1:39:06 03-27-92 38162 <--> 38263
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
And a magic intellectual is someone who can hear Vivaldi without
thinking of Lance Burton...
Msg #38263 Dated 1:41:24 03-27-92 38262 <--> 38279
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yes, but who can see Lance Burton without thinking of Vivaldi?
Msg #38264 Dated 2:42:59 03-27-92 38221 <--> 38274
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
As you mention me twice in your write-up, allow me to comment:
1. I may have been in front of you amid the crowd of people who wanted
photographs of Lance and Melinda, but my purpose was hardly adulation;
I had a business matter which warranted discussion.
2. The "Meow Mix" feature of my column has nothing to do with either
jealousy or sour grapes.
Msg #38266 Dated 2:47:48 03-27-92 38195 <--> 38273
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
Nope -- as a toddler I was one of "Andy's Gang."
Msg #38267 Dated 2:48:13 03-27-92 38211 <--> 38271
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Remind me to tell you about the time I was out for dinner with S&R,
Tenko, and assorted others in a swank Tokyo restaurant. At one point
Siegfried suddenly insisted that I perform something. Next time I see
you I'll describe the routine...
Msg #38271 Dated 8:31:52 03-27-92 38215 <--> 38272
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Stealing is not improvisatinal... Tsk... only a mind like yours
would think of that. Add and o to the above line in the appropriate
place.
Msg #38272 Dated 8:31:57 03-27-92 38216 <--> 38278
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
They will all fit in one thumb tip.
Msg #38273 Dated 8:32:00 03-27-92 38217 <--> 38293
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
He was Spock?
Msg #38274 Dated 8:32:03 03-27-92 38221 <--> 38288
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
Steve... what a brilliant write up. You are to be commended!
.
You too, seem to be a Mike Close fan! He is tough... you should
hear him play piano!
Msg #38275 Dated 8:32:09 03-27-92 38232 <--> 38335
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
You have come closest to analyzing the Jester... but I doubt if
he would want to change... until he goes broke maybe?
.
A person's hair doesn't signal drugs to me.... I think of long
hair, often, with the medeival days, etc. old west, and so on...
.
I guess I leepfrogged the drug area, never ran into anyone in that
scene... too early in school and the auto racing area is literally
drug free as they all have to be in top mental/physical shape...
Msg #38276 Dated 8:32:19 03-27-92 38233 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DICE CUP
I made a cup from clear tubing and it was great to do the stacking.
Will look into Close Up Illusions again, for some reasong when I
got it and skimmed it didn't lock onto the dice stuff. Keep us
informed as to progress. Expect to see you stackin' dice at SLC.
Msg #38277 Dated 8:32:25 03-27-92 38246 <--> 38326
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Sounds like you just need BIGGER HOTTER FIRE... Try a dove pan?
Or ... uh, lets invent something here.... Wrap the card in paper
(flash) but steal it out... from an open end or sumpin'... so theyu
think the card is wrapped "for safe keeping" then yu accidentally
hit it with a stogie or match or sumpin'....
Msg #38278 Dated 8:32:32 03-27-92 38252 <--> 38280
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You see, nobody likes my idea... as in ice skating... I WANT TO
SEE COMPULSORY TRICKS.
.
One round is VERNON CUPS AND BALLS, Card to Wallet and Slydini
Coins thru Table. This sets a standard of skill.
.
Round two is Freestyle.
.
Round three is Improv.
.
I guess we will have to do that at Music City Conclave III.
.
My favorite line at the DMS was Colombini impression of a Roman
Soldier ordering 5 drinks. (Held up 2 fingers as a V).
Msg #38279 Dated 8:32:47 03-27-92 38262 <--> 38283
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Nice, Vivaldi.... good line.... did Max give you the mini clipboard?
Msg #38280 Dated 8:32:50 03-27-92 38267 <--> 38286
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I hope you asked him to do something. I know he usually always
travels with his thumb tip. Amazingly, until this last show, at
the Mirage, S always kept doing the vanishing cigarette in a
handkerchief.
.
Like Zero Mostel, when being introduced to the business men backers
of a show he was being considered for. High in a Madison ave.
office one of the "suits" said to Mostel, "Do something funny"...
.
He walked over picked a typewriter up off a desk and threw it
right through the glass and out a window!
Msg #38281 Dated 9:17:15 03-27-92 37647 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HENNING NELMS
TO - Tommy Wonder
I just found my copy of Nelms. A quick run-through. He does at
first glance seem to stress performing as a real magician would.
He stresses mystery as adding meaning to a performance.
.
In one place he mentions that a person with magical powers would
not do a four ace trick. I wonder where he would put Bob Sheets,
Doc Eason, Don Allan, Del Ray, Albert Goshman and an entire group
who make to pretense of mystical skills - just pure
entertainment. I've read your book on the Cups and Balls etc. and
do not see any of Nelms' ideas in it.
.
Watching Lavand the other night was a case in point. He does very
poetical presentations, but he chose to start with shuffling a
deck, leaving it in new deck order. Then a sequence of Oil and
Water. The motif was to show his skill. The three balls in the
cup routine is done with humor and a bit of puzzlement as to how
it works. He seems as puzzled as the audience.
.
More later.
Msg #38282 Dated 9:17:39 03-27-92 38082 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOP CUP
Pete - that was the story of Ken and the laymen I was thinking
of.
Msg #38283 Dated 9:17:45 03-27-92 38094 <--> 38284
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Sorry for the repeat messages. I had a bad character in the file
I was uploading and did not think the whole thing took. Thried
again and again, before looking at the file. Will try to be more
careful in the future.
Msg #38284 Dated 9:17:54 03-27-92 38143 <--> 38298
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Sensel message five times is overkill; isn't it? Funny thing,
even with all the repeats, no one has posted the required
information.
Msg #38285 Dated 9:18:02 03-27-92 37968 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
TO: Tommy Wonder
Re-read the paragraphs on page 12. The problem is with his term
"meaning". I will have to read up to 12 to discover this. He does
seem to rail about anyone doing just tricks.
Msg #38286 Dated 9:18:10 03-27-92 38159 <--> 38295
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
OK - Magic Lore. Nelms says "The conjuror who ignores 'real'
magic as a source of clues to credulity will encounter heavy
going". Balderdash!! He continues to speak of some kind of
dramatic presentation with suspension of disbelief as the way to
go. It is far from the only way. I think reading all of the books
will give one the ideas for new effects. The paragraph beginning
"Esoteric knowledge..." is weird. More of the same kind of
thinking.
Msg #38287 Dated 9:18:23 03-27-92 38199 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: MARK PHILLIPS (X)
Re: FICTION
"Tip on a Dead Crab" is of course only one. The others in the
series talk a great deal about magic in a knowledgable way. I can
see Mike in the descriptons. I think I realized it was based on
Mike even before being told. A friend has my copies so can't list
titles.
Msg #38288 Dated 9:18:32 03-27-92 38264 <--> 38317
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
If your column doesn't have anything to do with being "catty"
what is the purpose of the name. I guess I must be getting dense.
Msg #38289 Dated 9:59:20 03-27-92 -> 38330
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: {VIC&F.
MAGIC!-NL Wed 25 Mar 92 23:05
Arnoud Van Delden posted the following msg:
HI!
Perhaps mime (to some- or any extend) is an aspect of theater
that should be part of any magical performance to get an
harmonic artistic presentation. In no way would I call the act
of Vic & Fibrini a mime-act.
In my opinon: The fact that performances that combine several
theatrical diciplines score big on entertainment- and emotional
value should us (so called 'magicians') start thinking about our
own performances.
See YA, from holland. Arnoud van Delden.
PS - About Vic & ...: I did not see this act recently BTW.
---
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Msg #38291 Dated 9:59:52 03-27-92 -> 38308
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Thu 26 Mar 92 23:32
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
All is indeed well with the sushi person and me. Things are
finally getting settled a bit. One thing however is marring my
happiness, throwing out the Nelms book, shame on you Biro! Ah
well, what can I expect from a man who makes his salad in a wok.
All the best!
---
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Msg #38292 Dated 10:00:07 03-27-92 -> 38301
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
MAGIC!-NL Thu 26 Mar 92 23:39
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Dear David, asking Biro to read the section on Magic Lore, don't
you think that that is overloading the guy a little?
After all, he did read page 12 already!
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Msg #38293 Dated 10:34:35 03-27-92 38266 <--> 38294
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
I must admit, I have a certain degree of difficulty imagining you as a
toddler.
Msg #38294 Dated 10:41:04 03-27-92 38273 <--> 40100
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
Now that you mention it, Fitzkee's ears do look a bit Spocklike.
Msg #38295 Dated 10:44:00 03-27-92 38267 <--> 38296
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Max -
The rest of us would also love to know what you did when Siegfried
insisted on you performing at a resturant table! I guess you might
want to hold it until after DMS '93 though.
Msg #38296 Dated 10:46:59 03-27-92 38271 <--> 38297
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Hey, if you are in the DMS improv. contest and don't think you are
going to win, at least you can make off with some of the silver. Maybe
you are off on the wrong tack with that fancy table setting - give 'em
a setup they are more accustomed to - burger wrappers, plastic forks,
straws, little ketchup packages . . .
Msg #38297 Dated 10:52:47 03-27-92 38286 <--> 38309
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I think you are reading the "The conjuror who ignores 'real' magic"
line with a heavy hand, Cy. He didn't say "you have to do it my way,"
he said "a source of clues to credulity." The point he is trying to
make, I think, is that people DO want to believe in magic. And he
cites the evidence that bestselling books frequently use themes of real
magic (as do top box office movies) and that authors understand the
public in this regard.
I think he is saying that despite our cynical culture, there are very
sound psychological reasons that people want to believe in magic, and
that it is us, not the audience, that turns a routine into puzzles or
juggling.
Msg #38298 Dated 11:04:00 03-27-92 38283 <--> 38332
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
We have locked out the really bad character (the EOF) from the message
base, but we do permit others to pass since they can be used for
graphics, etc. But there are a couple that can still cause problems in
transmission, it appears.
Yesterday I got some kind of weird character in a private message to
me. It would completely clobber the screen at the master console! I
thought the whole message base had gone weird or something. But, when
I ported it to other screens (and graphics controller cards) it was OK.
Msg #38300 Dated 11:14:09 03-27-92 38249 <--> 38331
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IBM SLC
I leave Burbank at 2:10 and arr LV 3:07.
Leave LV at 3:52. Means very short time hanging around the airport.
Both flights via Amer West, which also means that I can check the
luggage straight through and not have to bother transferring it in LV.
Msg #38301 Dated 11:16:02 03-27-92 38292 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL
You could be right, Tommy. Sending Pete into a book is a bit like
launching a ship without a rudder - you get all sorts of interesting
effects, but the ship may never get back to port. Maybe we should only
tip him on one paragraph a month.
Msg #38308 Dated 19:05:12 03-27-92 38291 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
To: Tommy Wonder-kind!!!
Nice to hear from you and.... Salad in a wok? Why not? Just finished
a fine meal of Turkey and Rice... NO NOT ALA THE BALI? Have you
taken Lynn to the Bali for Rice Table?
.
Will not throw out Nelms... just can only read one page a month!
Msg #38309 Dated 19:05:19 03-27-92 38296 <--> 38310
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Good idea... have two tables set and they can choose either one!
Msg #38310 Dated 19:05:22 03-27-92 38296 <--> 38311
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Drive thru magic too????
Msg #38311 Dated 19:05:25 03-27-92 38297 <--> 38316
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I hate to break in... but NOBODY writes, NOBODY, about how good
and fantastic some performers with THE INBORN ABILITY, SUCH AS
SHEETS, DAVID WILLIAMSON, HOBSEN, LES BUBB, etc... have. None of
these cats learned anything reading books... they learned by
WORKING, FAILING, SCREWING UP, REVISING AND MOST OF ALL... Had
"IT"... "IT"... the ingredient that will win every time!
Msg #38313 Dated 19:05:32 03-27-92 -> 38394
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: R TURNER
Thanks for the loan of the Richard Turner tapes. I have only viewed
volume 1 but it shows some fantastic card handling for serious
cheaters. I hope to view volume 2 this weekend.
If anyone else is into gambling sleights this two volume set titled
_The Cheat_ is a must see.
Msg #38314 Dated 19:08:30 03-27-92 -> 38342
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: THE PIG!
Ding, Dong the pig is dead! Lets have a Friday wake with a piggy cake.
What do you say? Care to pig out? Let our sysop know. ONK!
Msg #38316 Dated 19:45:44 03-27-92 38280 <--> 38327
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Your memory is slipping; Siegfried took out the cigarette trick when
they moved to the Frontier.
Msg #38317 Dated 19:46:24 03-27-92 38288 <--> 38483
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
The "Meow Mix" feature has everything to do with being catty, hence the
title. It does not, however, have anything to do with jealousy or sour
grapes.
Msg #38325 Dated 23:33:33 03-27-92 -> 38345
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Ee;38106
There is a 'Brain & Mind Symposium' AKA Tools for the Mind, to
be held April 11 & 12 at the LAX Hilton Convention Center, 5711
W. Century Blvd. from 10 am - 8 pm.
.
The brochure states the following as the purpose of the symposium,
"The Magic of the New Age is the ability to access expanded and alter
ed states of consciousness. There is a relationship between these
states and personal power, personal growth, and healing. These are
the _Tools_for_the_Mind_. Tools which can open doors in a fast, safe
and effective way. The purpose of The Brain and Mind Symposium is to
offer these tools in the following fields:
. Hypnotherapy Past Life Regression Psychotronics
.
Highlights include a lecture and workshop by Timothy Leary on Virtual
Reality and a PK party (spoon bending) by Jack Houck.
.
Two day admission to the lectures and exhibits are $ 19 ($ 26 at the
door). Workshops are $ 20 each ($25 at the door). For further info
call 310-399-2992.
.
Admission covers access to all the lectures and exhibits, whereas
you have to pay extra for the workshops. I did the PK party workshop
at the Whole Life Expo, its fun to be in a room with 30-40 people
hollering at silverware.
Msg #38326 Dated 23:33:43 03-27-92 38277 <--> 38334
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Wrapping the torn card in 'normal' paper was my first thought, howeve
r I don't like it for 2 reasons. 1) you have to ditch the torn card p
ieces which leaves you open to detection by the astute observer, 2)
why wrap the cards in paper ? it doesn't make sense.
.
I want to be able to bring the card form behind my back, card face do
wn. I tell the person the name of their card - they aren't impressed,
so I tear it in pieces, hand them one corner and drop the pieces into
my 'witchy' looking tray, which is placed on top of the deck.
.
I merely light the pieces (which I want to burn reasonably fast -
instantly would be good, but not mandatory), I spread the deck and
the card is face up restored with the matching corner in the
spectator's hand. That is the effect I'm shooting for.
.
Anyone that has any ideas on how to get a card to burn faster, please
jump in.
Msg #38327 Dated 23:33:50 03-27-92 38267 <--> 38328
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Aha - there are situations that you deem appropriate to perform when
asked, and not for pay.
Msg #38328 Dated 23:37:24 03-27-92 38278 <--> 38329
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Hey I'm on your side I think compulsories would give a performer a
chance to show their originality in presentation, while making the
judging easier as far as technique is concerned. Could give technical
points and artistic pints just like in skating.
.
The improv becomes much more difficult to deal with. If a toppit is
considered an aid and is not allowed how about using a side pocket
as a servante ? Is that legal ?
Msg #38329 Dated 23:37:28 03-27-92 38297 <--> 38338
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Magi that DO NOT attempt to tap into the genetic consciousness that
'real' magic exists, are mere 'tricksters' or jugglers in my
estimation.
.
I agree people DO want to believe in magic, its in their genes, they
want to see a demonstration and are disappointed when the 'magician'
merely does 'tricks' with his magic boxes, dove pans, and square
circles. Real magic comes when you are not sure whether the performer
is tapping into supernatural forces or not.
Msg #38330 Dated 23:37:33 03-27-92 38289 <--> 38356
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: {VIC&F.
The magic of Vic & Fabrizzi was not strong enough to win. Their
comedy was not strong enough to win. I believe they won mainly on
Fabrizzi very strong acrobatic mime moves. My only problem with
them winning was that it was supposed to be a comedy magic competitio
n. If it was a magic variety act competition, then I can see them
winning.
.
I agree that bringing together a number of art froms enhances the
entertainment value of an act. I happen to like mime and dance as
part of a magic performance, e.g. Les Bubb, Jeff McBride, etc. it
was just that the particuliar venue was supposed to be comedy magic.
Msg #38331 Dated 23:37:39 03-27-92 38300 <--> 38567
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM SLC
I can practically drive to Vegas in the time it would take me to get
to Burbank. Leaving out of LA is bad enough.
Msg #38332 Dated 0:01:43 03-28-92 38263 <--> 38333
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Melinda.
Msg #38333 Dated 0:02:07 03-28-92 38279 <--> 38347
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yeah, he did -- but I really don't need it; already have a few of same.
It's too bad he thought I had a PW Book Of The Mind slate -- that I
might have been able to use. Ah, well.
Msg #38334 Dated 0:09:11 03-28-92 38326 <--> 38353
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
There is an Annemann effect in the Jinx called (I believe) A CARD IN
HIGH in which a card wrapped in a piece of newspaper vanishes. The
rather brilliant idea here is that you only pretend to deal the card
onto the paper -- which is actually a photo-offset (now a photocopy
would do) of a newspaper sheet WITH A CARD LYING ON IT. Annemann
suggests you draw in shadow lines before printing -- but that is all I
remember off the top of my head. Check the reference.
Msg #38335 Dated 0:15:39 03-28-92 38232 <--> 38358
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Hiya Burt, I got the impression that if
anything, Sylvester smashing his head with a
hammer and a frying pan with Drug references
thrown in are intended to be subtle anti-drug
references. Not really a practical way to "cop
a buzz".
Msg #38337 Dated 0:57:52 03-28-92 38244 <--> 38413
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRILLIN
Bizarre...
Am currently working on the synopsis and will upload soon. As to the
pig-wake is this next Fri. April 3? I may not be able to make it as I
will be in Claremont working with Garrison Keillor on his American
Radio Company remote on Saturday. As I writer and a great admirer of
Keillor I jumped at the chance to work on the show, also gives me a
chance to discuss some of the concepts of the book I'm currently
writing. Will be at the Castle tonight though.
.
Shouldn't the pig-wake actually be called a luau?
Tony (aka Stumpy the Claw Foot)
Msg #38338 Dated 1:09:56 03-28-92 38309 <--> 38339
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
You know, that isn't a bad idea! Give 'em a choice of one of two
tables - one spiffy, one fast food.
Msg #38339 Dated 1:11:11 03-28-92 38310 <--> 38340
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I don't know if I'd want to drive thru magic - I have enough trouble
driving thru Arleta.
Msg #38340 Dated 1:13:50 03-28-92 38311 <--> 38341
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yeah, some of the folks on your list have talent. But talent is the
marble - you still gotta dig the sculpture out of it. And to a certain
extent you are right - "Pain is learning entering the apprentice," or
something like that - you gotta go out and get your head bashed, but if
you can figure out a way to spare your brain a knock or two, then maybe
learning to read is worthwhile, no?
Msg #38341 Dated 1:18:52 03-28-92 38329 <--> 38350
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yep, it is a lot like the Turing Test - if I can't tell what you do
from "real" magic, then it is real magic.
Msg #38342 Dated 1:22:37 03-28-92 38314 <--> 38351
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Yep! But I'd really like to see someone else book the reservations!
However - YES, LET'S HAVE THE PIG'S WAKE THIS COMING FRIDAY - APRIL 3RD
AT THE CASTLE!!!
BYOS - Bring Your Own Snout!
Msg #38345 Dated 1:39:45 03-28-92 38325 <--> 38352
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Thanks for the info on the Mind and Brain Session, Jerry. I'd go, but
I lost my mind a couple of days ago and still haven't found it.
Msg #38347 Dated 1:57:49 03-28-92 38332 <--> 38357
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Perhaps she is an opera fan and hears some of Mozart's magic?
Msg #38349 Dated 2:14:39 03-28-92 -> 38359
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE REPORT
Yawn, groan . . . It is after 2 a.m. and I just got back from the
Castle.
A few interesting things tonite:
HOMER HUDSON celebrated his 86th Birthday in the presence of JOYCE
BASCH. Homer created a series of novelty side tables with silk screens
of rabbits, cobras, dragons and Hindus on them. He talked a bit about
Floyd Thayer and how he had given his Thayer stuff to Doc Albo.
ALDO COLOMBINI was very good in the Close-Up Gallery. He was both
funny and magical and did a number of nice bits. It was good to get a
final look at him for this tour, as I won't be able to attend the
lecture on Sunday.
TOM OGDEN was conducting his usual madness in the Late Parlour.
JADE, LARRY CLARK, and BRIAN GILLIS were in the Palace. Brian opened,
and I don't know what happened, but he terminated his routine early,
dumped his props into a box and made an exit. Seemed to me he'd been
doing pretty good up 'till then. Still it is hard to fill the Palace
with card tricks.
JADE was SUPERB tonite! She did a beautiful, beautiful job and captured
the hearts of the house.
LARRY CLARK was very funny! But NOTHING to do with magic! Oh, yeah,
he ATTEMPTED to do a couple of paper balls over a guys head - but he
did it BADLY and the guy watched the balls go by. Funny, entertaining,
BUT WHAT IS THIS ACT DOING AT THE _MAGIC_ CASTLE??? Doesn't anyone
remember how to spell M-A-G-I-C ??? It is in the name of the place!
Lots of folks wandering around tonite - Larry Jennings, Johnny
Thompson, John Carney, and GAZZO MACEE! He and I talked and speculated
on the DMS vote. He had a good attitude about it, I'm just sorry he
didn't place in the money.
What was it Samuel Pepys used to say? "And so to bed."
Msg #38350 Dated 3:22:11 03-28-92 38327 <--> 38354
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
The bill for that meal was well into four figures, and S&R picked up
the tab; so, I _was_ paid...
Msg #38351 Dated 5:02:24 03-28-92 38342 <--> 38360
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Please post all details ot THE PIG WAKE. What time, etc. Let me know
how many will be coming, I'll get the cake. (What kind do you like?)
Msg #38352 Dated 8:02:43 03-28-92 38325 <--> 38400
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Bring you "Bongo Bender" and wreck some spoons dude... haha
.
Tell me, what do they say after 30 or 40 minutes of yelling at
silverware and NOTHING happens?
Msg #38353 Dated 8:02:49 03-28-92 38326 <--> 38365
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Try just soaking the pieces in something like kerosene or gas --
maybe "white gas" or alcohol or sumpin' .... uh... when the
chosen card is found would be cool to have a little singed edges?
.
Kinda like the Seabrooke card with the bullet hole. He shoots
at the deck and spreads to find a card all charred and burned
with a hole in the centre (British middle)!
Msg #38354 Dated 8:02:58 03-28-92 38328 <--> 38355
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Nothing is illegal... it just might be against the rules. A good
topit worker can do it without the topit by tossing into the coat
and holding in place by pressure from arm, gravity, etc... when
necessary...
.
I figure the guy that comes out and tries to yank the tablecloth
out from under it all, wrecks all the stuff, tosses it in the
corner and floats the bare table will win. This was is my plan,
but I is innelligible....
Msg #38355 Dated 8:03:08 03-28-92 38329 <--> 38362
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I am a juggler for sure.
Msg #38356 Dated 8:03:11 03-28-92 38330 <--> 38417
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: {VIC&F.
A note: Vic and Fabrizzi were the first place winners at FISM in
Holland (I did not attend so don't know what the other acts in the
competition looked like)... so they MUST have strong appeal. They
won DMS by a H U G E margin.... like 3 to 2.... the rest (2,3,4)
were only inches apart...
Msg #38357 Dated 8:03:18 03-28-92 38333 <--> 38800
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Argh... would have gladly sent you the PW slate.... tsk.... I will
be on the lookout... Found HB copy of your book (they have a large
stack of paperback and MAYBE more HB's just didn't see) at the
Gambler's Book Club in LV.
Msg #38358 Dated 8:03:24 03-28-92 38335 <--> 38586
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: FROG CALLED
Agree... his messages ARE variants on the ANTI-DRUG adverts...
.
I just NOW think he just isn't "a likeable character" on stage.
.
He certainly has the energy and originality that almost no one
else does possess.
Msg #38359 Dated 8:03:31 03-28-92 38349 <--> 38366
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE REPORT
Rats... didn't know you would see Aldo... he promised to give me
a set of his lecture notes... and we didn't connect (as I left
a day early) and you could have snapped 'em up for me! Oh well....
Ah... will call Ms. Tjin! AKA JADE.
Msg #38360 Dated 8:03:37 03-28-92 38351 <--> 38363
From: PETE BIRO
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Methinks a "funeral" ceremony... in the area the Pig formerly
occupied (video taped) would be fine. Burton could light the candles
and Herr Lichtman could deliver a Eulogy... a Broken wand ceremony?
Could use it on the MTV NEWS... Maybe Coby would be good addition!
Coby has the only magic table I would like to walk up to fast!
Msg #38361 Dated 8:34:21 03-28-92 -> 38487
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Sat 28 Mar 92 01:44
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Somewhere Nelms does describe situations where just tricks would
be better, I do not know exactly where, I would have to search
for it. Although my style of working might not be like Nelms
personal style, that does not mean that his writings have been of
great influence to me. Regarding my cups and balls routine, read
his discussion on
attention control and the chapter on misdirection.
I feel Nelms book is great because he discusses many subjects
which are food for thought, it can clarify one's own thinking. It
is not per se necessary to adopt his style, many, well most of
his thoughts I feel are valid for any style, and so worthy of
serious study.
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Msg #38362 Dated 10:03:46 03-28-92 38350 <--> 38373
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Max -
I've picked up only a very few four figure dinner tabs, so I'm just
curious - how many people did that cover? And was it dollars or yen?
Msg #38363 Dated 10:13:09 03-28-92 38351 <--> 38364
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: THE PIG!
ARGH! (tm - Biro) - I was hoping someone else would chair the Pig Wake.
Oh, well, I guess I'm it. How late in the week do you need to know
about the cake?
Msg #38364 Dated 10:14:37 03-28-92 38360 <--> 38372
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Good thought - nothing has been placed in the Pig's former place yet,
and the pool is empty, so we could conduct the ceremony on the spot.
Yeah, somehow I don't think Tabman made Coby's table!
Msg #38365 Dated 10:16:24 03-28-92 38353 <--> 38390
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Hold the card over a can of Sterno?
Msg #38366 Dated 10:16:59 03-28-92 38359 <--> 38486
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE REPORT
If you call Jade, tell her that you heard she sparkled last night! She
was terrific!
Aldo will also be at the Castle next week - doing Early Parlour.
Msg #38368 Dated 10:23:54 03-28-92 37491 <--> 38391
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Kevin,
Thanks for the invite! Unfortunitly, I was out of town on a location
and didn't get your nessage until just now (Sat). I nearly always feel
sociable!
--Philip
Msg #38372 Dated 12:54:11 03-28-92 38360 <--> 38422
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG!
I say: GO FOR IT!
Msg #38373 Dated 12:54:23 03-28-92 38362 <--> 38376
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Four figures in yen could be less than ten dollars, so _you_ figure out
which currency I was talking about.
Msg #38376 Dated 13:45:10 03-28-92 38373 <--> 38378
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
but was the food good?
Msg #38378 Dated 14:48:51 03-28-92 38373 <--> 38387
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
OK, I think I've figured out the who, what, where, and when now. Just
don't know what the menu was, nor do I know what you chose to perform
when S. asked.
Msg #38385 Dated 17:34:57 03-28-92 -> 38397
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: GINN LECTURE
Just to repeat, April 8th is the David Ginn lecture in Concord, CA.
Take the BART train to concord, then take the 119 bus to the COncord
Hilton. It starts at 8:00 and costs only $5. The first hour is
family/kid magic and the second hour is audience participation magic.
Hope to see you there!
Msg #38387 Dated 18:04:50 03-28-92 38071 <--> 38389
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Pete,
Always remember, "a mime is a terrible thing to waste."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38389 Dated 18:05:07 03-28-92 38090 <--> 38406
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
David,
I'll let you know after I've done all the things you mentioned.
(that ought to put me about $30,000 in the hole.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38390 Dated 18:05:16 03-28-92 38111 <--> 38395
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Jerry,
I've got a new batch of "juice" fermenting in the extra bathroom
(Yep, I've moved it inside. This is the FOURTH batch I've had
ruined. My making flash paper has done more to end the drought
than any other single cause.)
I'll try some bond paper this evening. I've used cheap typing
paper in the past, with very good results.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38391 Dated 18:05:25 03-28-92 38124 <--> 38396
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
On the other hand, there are MANY performers who can knock your
socks off.
In social settings, I've used three of the effects you described
on your tape. People went nuts. For "talismanicle" I use "Bobo
the magic half-dollar" and watch their eyes bulge. There is a
great deal to be gained from having the spectator put the cards
down, and square the deck himself.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38393 Dated 18:05:49 03-28-92 38241 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Stan,
GREAT! I'll expect to see you there.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38394 Dated 18:05:57 03-28-92 38313 <--> 38589
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: R TURNER
Burt,
Glad you're enjoying the tapes. Are you going to go to the
lecture. (by the time I read your response, I'll know whether
you went to the lecture.)
I'm looking forward to that dinner.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38395 Dated 18:06:05 03-28-92 38353 <--> 38398
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Pete,
When you soak a card (or anything) in kerosene or gas, the
flammable liquid is what burns, and not the card. In fact, to a
certain degree, the evaporation keeps the soaked item cooler than
if you just set a match to it. Eventually, the flame attacks the
soaked item, but not until much later. This is the basis of one
of my new things, in which I tell the observers that I'm tired of
watching jugglers juggle torches. Where's the danger in that?
Then I proceed to juggle spheres that have been dipped in lighter
fluid and set aflame. (Okay, I soak my hands in sodium silicate,
but you get the idea.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38396 Dated 18:06:16 03-28-92 38368 <--> 38426
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Philip,
Whenever you want, just leave a message.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #38397 Dated 18:31:35 03-28-92 38385 <--> 38405
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: GINN LECTURE
Thanks for the info on the David Ginn lecture, Scott. Hope lots of
Northern California MAGIC!ians will attend.
Msg #38398 Dated 18:34:37 03-28-92 38390 <--> 38408
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Sheesh! Flash "juice" fermenting in the bathroom! That's worse than
anything I've ever done! Once upon a time, in Alabama, we grew orchids
in the extra bathroom (windowless). When they bloomed, we made the
front page of the Opelika-Auburn Daily News.
Msg #38400 Dated 20:55:35 03-28-92 38325 <--> 38415
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Only in California...
Msg #38401 Dated 21:23:23 03-28-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COLOMBINI LECTURE
Looks like our plans have changed and I _may_ be able to get to
Colombini's lecture tomorrow! Shall I ask him about the notes?
Msg #38405 Dated 21:35:18 03-28-92 38385 <--> 39267
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: GINN LECTURE
Darn... I will be on the way to So Cal on the morning of the 8th.
Msg #38406 Dated 21:35:21 03-28-92 38387 <--> 38414
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Yo, mima...mia...
Msg #38408 Dated 21:35:41 03-28-92 38395 <--> 38412
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
I once worked with 1 1/2-inch cork balls wrapped in cotton and
a match head stuck into with striking material in a paper bag.
You could reach into bag and pull out flaming balls of fire! Then
juggle 'em... argh...
Msg #38412 Dated 23:04:55 03-28-92 38390 <--> 38425
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Thanks Kevin, are you coming to the lecture at the castle Sunday ?
Msg #38413 Dated 23:04:57 03-28-92 38337 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: TRILLIN
Wow - I envy you being able to work with Garrison, he is one of my
favorites. I am a Lake Wobegon Fan from way back in the Prairie Home
Companion days. Good Luck.
.
Pig-wake is Friday the 3rd. Sorry you can't make it, but if I had a
chance to work the Keilor show I would pass as well.
Msg #38414 Dated 23:05:01 03-28-92 38341 <--> 38419
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Another way of getting to 'real' magic is, "Fake it until you make
it".
Msg #38415 Dated 23:05:04 03-28-92 38352 <--> 38416
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
That's the weird thing - things do happen ! You end up with all kinds
of curly silverware, damnest thing I ever saw.
Msg #38416 Dated 23:05:06 03-28-92 38400 <--> 38423
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Actually only in LA, some parts of California are not very enlighten
ed, kinda like the East.
Msg #38417 Dated 23:05:09 03-28-92 38356 <--> 38444
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: {VIC&F.
I have no doubt in a straight any thing goes magic contest they
could win, my problem was they weren't that funny and I went for the
comedy magic vote - I thought Scott Cervine was funnier and more
magical.
Msg #38419 Dated 23:56:34 03-28-92 38414 <--> 38433
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Hmmm . . . Your response gives rise to an interesting question -- if
real magical powers were suddenly bestowed on someone - who would be a
better candidate? A magician or a layperson?
Msg #38422 Dated 0:39:57 03-29-92 38314 <--> 38435
From: JOSEPH SELPH
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Count me in on the "Piggy Wake & Cake" Celebration!!
Msg #38423 Dated 0:50:01 03-29-92 38325 <--> 38443
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
What happened to the silverware? Was there any sleight of hand going
on?
Msg #38425 Dated 1:11:19 03-29-92 38408 <--> 38447
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
That was Dr. Carlo's BALLS OF FIRE production's the Ohio guy who also
invented the rubber dove and a terrific glass production.
Msg #38426 Dated 1:12:24 03-29-92 38391 <--> 38928
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TODD ROBBINS
Good to hear that the stuff is doing well for you. If you don't mind
saying, which are the other two?
Msg #38433 Dated 2:45:01 03-29-92 38419 <--> 38445
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
The answer to your question is provided in the following joke of rather
hoary vintage:
A stage magician receives a visitation from an angel, who says, "We've
been observing your activities, and are quite impressed with the amount
of time you've devoted to charitable causes and kind efforts.
Therefore, we would like to do something to reward your virtue. What
would you like?"
The magician replies, "All my life I have endeavored to use my skills
to bring the illusion of magic to my audiences. My wish is to have
_real_ magical powers."
"Done!" says the angel. "From now on, you can accomplish any feat you
can imagine."
The magician is, of course, overjoyed. At his next show he greets the
audience, and proceeds to _really_ cause a cut rope to restore; to
_really_ make a metal ball float beneath a cloth; to _really_ link a
set of rings; to...
Msg #38435 Dated 4:57:41 03-29-92 38422 <--> 38446
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: JOSEPH SELPH (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Please let Sysop know. Sorry to say, because of the price of $25,
there will be no cake. 8-(
Msg #38436 Dated 5:07:33 03-29-92 -> 38488
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Sat 28 Mar 92 19:22
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Anybody falling asleep reading a book before the last page, can
only judge the book on its lack of entertainment value. Nelms's
purpose of the book was notNOT to provide arm
chair-entertainment, but to giv information. With Nelms's book its
the contents which counts, not wether you find the way the
information is packaged sleep inducing or not.
.
I hope for you that you did not judge the book on the way the
information is packaged(i.e. sleep inducing), because that would
be exactly like someone judging a person on skin cloucolor. In
both cases one should judge the contents, not the packaging.
.
If you have not fully studied the information Nelms gives, then I
feel you have no right at all to give any judgment whatsoever.
And you should refrain from doing so.
.
If however you did study the information, then I would love to
hear what subjects or reasoning in the book you do not agree
with. Then we have something to talk about.
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Msg #38437 Dated 5:07:41 03-29-92 -> 38450
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Sun 29 Mar 92 01:21
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
No, I have not yet taken her to Bali for a rijsttafel, but that
will happen soon. At the moment she is in England, visiting
places where they make lace,(oh yes, she also works there a bit).
Her boss and her lady feel that I work very little, they feel I
should be slaving at least for 40 to 50 hours a week. And work in
their eyes is only when I do shows! Ah well...
Good to hear you do not throw out Nelms. Actually to read one
page a month is a good speed. Gives you some time to think about
what is written. Some of those books, if you read them too
fast......
How is your job doing? Going as you want it to be?
Take care.
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Msg #38438 Dated 5:07:49 03-29-92 -> 38451
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
MAGIC!-NL Sun 29 Mar 92 01:32
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Cannot argue with the fact that having "IT" is important and a
necessity for attaining real succes. BBut that does not mean that
reading books and study are without value, does it.
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Msg #38439 Dated 5:07:53 03-29-92 -> 38452
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIC&...
MAGIC!-NL Sun 29 Mar 92 12:03
Arnoud Van Delden posted the following msg:
Jerry,
Ofcourse, I was not there, and so I'm not able to judge this act
in respect to the others. Perhaps the danger lies in the fact
that this was called a 'comedy magic' competition. Such a name
gets many spectators leaning back in their chairs and think
'well, make me laugh' when the curtains splits at the beginning
of an act. I have often thought that announcing an act as a
'comedy act' may bias some spectators the wrong way round.
People that may have enjoyed the act otherwise, are now busy
(un)consciously judging all events in the act in the light of
comedy and are not in the state of enjoying the act. In such a
case it may be possible for ANY act that make these people
forget this procces (not neccesarily an act that IS funny) to
win.
About Les Bubb, I only saw him do mime (I liked his appearance
in the Paul Daniels Magic Show) does he mix this with magic as
well?
See Ya, Arnoud.
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Msg #38440 Dated 5:08:03 03-29-92 -> 38453
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS & SLEEP
MAGIC!-NL Sun 29 Mar 92 12:04
Arnoud Van Delden posted the following msg:
Pete,
With respect: Ofcourse anybody can expiriment without principles
(if you are given enough opportunities) and thereby enhancing
performing abilities. But by thinking about strategies for
improvement and charing expiriences (for instance by reading
Nelms, Fitzkee, Maskelyne etc) one can definitely bring more
direction to own expiriments.
Wait for a moment you're absolutely NOT sleepy and read chapter
15 of Maskelyne, The Importance Of Artistic Principles.
Bye from Holland. Arnoud.
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Msg #38443 Dated 8:50:49 03-29-92 38415 <--> 38465
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Must be a load of Shils sent in by Randi!!!
Msg #38444 Dated 8:50:52 03-29-92 38417 <--> 38518
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: {VIC&F.
So I hope you voted for Cervine. I forgot to vote was so busy on
the committee... as did two others in the committee... and the act
we were going to vote for missed by 2 votes!
Msg #38445 Dated 8:50:57 03-29-92 38419 <--> 38449
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
A presidential candidate.
Msg #38446 Dated 8:51:00 03-29-92 38422 <--> 38457
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOSEPH SELPH (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Why not Pork Pie?
Msg #38447 Dated 8:51:03 03-29-92 38425 <--> 38924
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE PIG IS DEAD
Dr. Carlo was one of the unsung magic creators. I think Charlie
Reynolds was a good friend a great fan of his. I have a great
gaff of his to produce a coke bottle too.
Msg #38449 Dated 8:51:17 03-29-92 38433 <--> 38455
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT
Msg #38450 Dated 8:51:20 03-29-92 38437 <--> 38458
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
To Tommy rijsttafel(?) Wow I thought it was spelled Ristaffel?
.
What do I know. I know the old days in show business, when my dad
was in Vaudeville, the acts would sit around all day and play cards
and people thought they were no good lazy bums. But a few of them
(even tho they were in a different city EVERY WEEK) did a lot of
study and ran some kinds of businesses. But it was difficult, as
in those days there were no telephones, no modems... they used
to send messages -- very short ones -- by the Western Union
Telegraph company. Travel was by train and his props had to be
taken by horse and buggy to the rail station and put on the baggage
car. He travelled with his own scenery "NO ONE WOULD THINK OF
WORKING IN FRONT OF THE 'HOUSE BLACK BACKDROP' and a special
table that was four feet tall, and eight feet by eight feet.
They (he had a single partner) roller skated up on top of the
table. Even as big as 8 x 8, buy skating standards it was like
doing the act on a postage stamp. They were TOP opening act in
the business in thier day. Act lasted 5 minutes.
.
Nelm. Yes, I am checking out chapters one at a time. I am not
influenced by his personality, his life style... just want to see
what he has to say. Much does not mean much to me... but I have
always listened to a different drummer (as they say) and always
like the unusual and believe that an Artist is because it is in
them... as I mentioned before. Some people study and work all the
time but they have no Charisma... no sense of style... which cannot
be (in my opinion) "learned" it is there or it is not.
.
So... pretend to work during the day... Hahahahah... best! pb
Msg #38451 Dated 8:51:49 03-29-92 38438 <--> 38459
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
To T. Wonder.
Aha... your next message is interesting too... Yes... actually I
have a theory. That to make it to the TOP... you need many things,
and right now there is only ONE PERSON at the Top... altho there
are a couple of others very close.
COPPERFIELD
BURTON
.
I leave Siegfried and Roy out because they are a "show" and it is
a full package... not the same genre as above 2.
.
Now, what does Biro say is needed. (It is the same in music etc)
To be at the top one must have: DRIVE, GOOD HEALTH (you can't catch
colds all the time), ENERGY, PURPOSE, INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO NOT
ONLY CHOOSE THE RIGHT MATERIAL but the right people working for you.
Including best Publicist, Agent, Business Manager... Good looks,
Good wardrobe. Good everything.... to be on top takes so much it
is no wonder there are so few.
.
It is not necessary TO BE ON TOP... but you must always be aiming
up, up, up. That is why I got upset with a lad at a Magic Convention
Panel Discussion when a guy asked me a question about what he
should do next? I said, "What do you want to do more than anything
else?" and he said "Be an Audio Visual Technician" ... I said,
"Well then quit fooling with magic... next question!" He got all
upset... so I said, "If you told me you wanted to be the best
magician there ever was, that you were envious of David Copperfield
and you wanted to know what to do to become a better performer,
then we would sit down and talk for hours... but you don't seem
to be interested in magic enough... go talk to audio engineers!"
.
I had to be honest. We were told later by some friends that the
magic audience was talking about how BRUTAL we were. (Others on
panel were Max Maven, Mike Close, Jim Sisti, Ray Mertz and Timothy
Wenk). Maven and Close were as hard hitting as I was.
.
I am sure that the top directors of plays are BRUTAL to their
actors when they need to be to help them to GIVE MORE THAN THEY
HAVE EVER DONE SO BEFORE.
Msg #38452 Dated 8:52:27 03-29-92 38439 <--> 38516
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIC&...
Les Bubb does not mix in magic. He is an acrobatic mime of the
highest order.
Vic and Fabrini WERE funny. Not the joke-a-minute laff laff laff
kind of funny. Just like Chrarlie Chaplin was funny.
What was interesting was how badly the comedy club type comedy
acts fared with a magician audience. Comedy can be very subtle
and can be very broad.
.
A pie in the face is one form of comedy. A fly flying near you
and the look on your face can also be funny, but very subtle.
.
A good example to me was the selection at the last FISM. The act
that won the comedy award to me was not funny. The props were
the act, the magician didn't evoke any funny. The little guy that
had trouble tossing his gloves on the table and then had the
dancing cane start hitting him and chasing him about the stage was,
TO ME... THE FUNNIEST "PERFORMER" THERE... and I gave him my
highest score.
.
There is always going to be differences of opinion... but the one
thing about Vic and Fabrini... THEY RECEIVED A HUGE AMOUNT OF
VOTES FROM THE AUDIENCE. (Each person in the audience picked their
favorite act -- there were no rules, no judges... no time limit,
etc. It was very open and very fair.)
Msg #38453 Dated 8:52:51 03-29-92 38440 <--> 38489
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BOOKS & SLEEP
To the "other" Arnaud... Thanks, will look up Chap. 15. (See I
was just saved reading 14 unneccesary chapters. What a Great
Service MAGIC!-NL is providing!!! Danke vell (spelling?)
Msg #38455 Dated 9:45:52 03-29-92 38433 <--> 38456
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Funny! I think I heard it some time ago, but not as well told.
You know my theory - that the "Top Guns" in magic REALLY do use REAL
MAGIC to accomplish the effects. Then figure out ways to
explain it to everyone else in order to cash in on the lecture and
book market and avoid getting burned at the stake.
Msg #38456 Dated 9:50:55 03-29-92 38445 <--> 38481
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I thought about a Presidential candidate as a candidate for real magic,
but I think it would be a waste of a good miracle - you'd have to
bestow it on at least a majority in Congress as well. Then a bunch of
them would want to quit and go out and link rings and bend spoons so
that they could continue to entertain folks and have a real job.
Msg #38457 Dated 9:53:22 03-29-92 38435 <--> 38510
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: THE PIG!
Will look forward to seeing you at the Pig Wake, Joe!
Msg #38458 Dated 9:57:54 03-29-92 38437 <--> 38492
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL
I agree completely with your approach to a book like Nelms. It is not
necessary to agree with everything he says. But it is necessary to
think about it. Each time he raises a point, I think "How does this
relate to what I do?" "Would my act be stronger if I did this?" I
sometimes read some sections over several times. As a matter of fact,
it is a good book (along with Fitzkee, etc.) to read every year or so.
Msg #38459 Dated 10:03:52 03-29-92 38451 <--> 38490
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
We are into some good messages here, Pete!
"It" is very important! BUT I have always felt that "It" is still only
a tool - it is like a dull knife. To make "It" work, you still have to
focus, concentrate, and think. Too many people have abused and wasted
their ability because they rely on it too much. No matter how talented
you are, no matter how charismatic you are, no matter how much skill
you have, if you aren't working with it instead of against it, it will
fail. The knife has to be kept sharp - otherwise, the talented person
is nothing but the most talented third-string performer in the pack.
Msg #38461 Dated 10:13:08 03-29-92 -> 38464
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGES TO MAGIC-NL
Please remember that messages back and forth to MAGIC-NL should be
addressed to ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN, regardless of the intended
recipient. Then, within the body of the message, they should clearly
identify the addressee - such as TO: TOMMY WONDER on the first line
of the message. Otherwise Arnaud may have a tough time transfering
them to the system there.
Msg #38464 Dated 14:49:25 03-29-92 38461 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES TO MAGIC-NL
Hey, why make it easy on him? Jus' kidding.... later dued...
Msg #38465 Dated 17:00:18 03-29-92 38325 <--> 38511
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BRAIN & MIND SYMPOSIUM
Jerry--
Your message reminds me, especially when you mentioned the "PK party
workshop." Remember some time back when you witnesses some spoon
bending (or some such phenom) you couldn't explain? Ever get an angle
on that?
Msg #38467 Dated 19:52:09 03-29-92 38256 <--> 38477
From: MARK PHILLIPS
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
Things have been good, I was out in Vegas for CES in January, but
probably won't make it out again until COMDEX fall in November. Vegas
certainly does seem to have a lot of magicians working! Last Comdex I
saw Lance, Copperfield and S&R. Then in January I saw Fielding West at
the comedy club in Bally's. Anything going on with close-up? I know
that Daniel Cros left the Desert Inn. Have you spoken with Harry
lately? I'll see him at Fechter's I guess. How's everything with you?
Are you still with Bally's?
Msg #38471 Dated 20:04:51 03-29-92 -> 38535
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: BAMBI
Have heard that Sigfried and Roy won a Bambi award, but don't know too
much about it. Can someone help me out?
Msg #38472 Dated 20:05:53 03-29-92 -> 38680
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: DOVES
I am trying to find a pair of white doves in the San Diego area, but
not having much luck. Any suggestions?
Msg #38473 Dated 20:05:20 03-29-92 -> 38525
From: MARK PHILLIPS
To: ALL
Re: "BOY'S LIFE" MAGAZINE
The latest issue of "Boy's Life" feature Harry Blackstone Jr. in
Chinese costume on the cover. Inside is an article with tricks from
Blackstone, Copperfield, and S & R. The article looked interesting,
but not interesting enough to embarrass myself by buying it!
Msg #38477 Dated 20:35:38 03-29-92 38467 <--> 38523
From: FRANK ZAK
To: MARK PHILLIPS
Re: SELLING YOURSELF
I talked with Harry about a week ago. Skinner is still at the Nugget.
Bally's let me go about 2 yrs. ago. I'm working surveillance for
another Hotel. I'm still doing private parties. I was also working as
a magic bartender. It was on graveyard. I did it for 8 mos. I am now
looking for days or swing. The next time you get to Vegas, give me a
call. Say Hi!! to everyone at Fechter's, it's been a long time since I
have been back for the FFFF. I still think it is one of the best
conventions going.
Msg #38480 Dated 22:07:27 03-29-92
From: JEFFREY COWAN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SOFTWARE
Kevin, thanks for responding to my message. I'd have replied sooner
but had to go out of town. I'm afraid that I never received anything
in the mail from you. If you'd be willing to try again, the address is
3132 CAnfield Ave, #7, LA Ca 90034. Please use a disc that is double
density and NOT HIGH DENSITY. Thanks. Jeffrey Cowan
Msg #38481 Dated 22:16:00 03-29-92 38297 <--> 38482
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
I DON'T think people DO want to belive in magic. I think they
enjoy seeing something that LOOKS like magic, but not
necessiarily presented as someting which really happens.
.
Card selected and signed (people are impressed that someone would
ruin a deck for a demonstration). Deck shuffled and wallet
removed from pocket. "I did a strange thing before I left the
apartment. I put this card in the zippered compartment. How you
got your name on it is your problem - I can't explain it."
There is no incantation or magic words etc. It just happens.
.
I have the feeling that people who watch geodedic or whatever
"real" magic is called, feel insulted that a performer would
think they would believe "real" magic.
.
More later.
Msg #38482 Dated 22:16:20 03-29-92 38311 <--> 38484
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Beg to disagree on Sheets. He does have IT - BUT - he is a great
reader. He has learned a LOT by reading books. The card stab is
from reading Vernon on Malini, and practice, practice, practice.
The same is probably true of the others.
Msg #38483 Dated 22:16:29 03-29-92 38317 <--> 38506
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DESERT RAMBLINGS
Sorry Max - I thought being catty was caused by jealousy and sour
grapes. Will have to re-think my definitions.
Msg #38484 Dated 22:16:36 03-29-92 38329 <--> 38485
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
This is my disagrement. People DO NOT want to believe in magic -
or at least - don't want performers to seem to takek it for
granted that they do.
.
Something is running beneath all of this discussion. He seems to
be taking a point which is applicable to stage magic and applying
it to close-up or platform. People watching trick boxes etc. will
usually think, quite peoperly so, that they could buy these
things and do them. Watching a skilled performer of sleight of
hand is a different matter. I think the appeal to wonder in an
audience is available without all of the appeals to "real" magic.
Msg #38485 Dated 22:16:51 03-29-92 38340 <--> 38499
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Reading is of course important. The argument is if Nelms is the
proper thing to read. I don't think he knows a lot about about
the theory of magic. He does say some worth while things, but I
think this theory of desire to believe is wrong-headed.
.
I am a great lover of the movies and theater and yet I don't
recognize myself in his description of a viewer as droping my
dis-belief.
Msg #38486 Dated 22:17:04 03-29-92 38349 <--> 38500
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE REPORT
Jade is a good example of a magical entertainer. Suberb
showmanship, but I don't get the feeling that she is trying to
convince me that she is some kind of witch.
Msg #38487 Dated 22:17:12 03-29-92 38361 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL
He describes just tricks as being used by a salesman etc. but
seem to feel this is a lesser form of the art. I disagree.
.
The points on attention control seem to be OK and some things are
food for thought, but I would stop short of saying he was
"great".
Msg #38488 Dated 22:17:24 03-29-92 38436 <--> 40104
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SLEEP
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL
I think Nelms TRIED to write a very serious dense book on a
subject that was beyond him. The writing is very tight but in
trying to unravel the ideas I get bogged down. This is Bill's
problem.
.
I'm still trying to find exactly what he means by "meaning".
Msg #38489 Dated 22:17:36 03-29-92 38440 <--> 38491
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BOOKS & SLEEP
TO: Arnoud Van Delden
VIA: MAGIC-NL
Now you're talking. I think Fitzkee is very good and if you
really want to find out about magic, Maskelyne is the book.
Almost all he says is to the point and quite easy to read. Also I
think that most of the tricks Nelms uses as examples are not too
great.
.
You don't have to point out chapters in Maskelyne - read it all!!
.
I started to list for our sysop, those books which deal with
theory. Maskeylne would lead the list. Check certain chapters in
Sachs, Hugard and Tarbell.
Msg #38490 Dated 22:17:53 03-29-92 38451 <--> 38493
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Pete - I don't envy Copperfield or want to have all of those
people working for me. I can't picture myself being the top with
a TV show or a big Las Vegas production.
.
I do envy Johnny Thompson, Bob Sheets, Mike Ammar, Doc Eason etc.
I would like to be the best close-up and platform performer in
the world. Not necessarily the most famous. Should I give it all
up? I happen to think my desires are in the direction of the real
art of magic. At my age being Dai Vernon would not be too bad as
a mentor.
Msg #38491 Dated 22:18:07 03-29-92 38453 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS & SLEEP
Sorry Pete - Chapter 15 is in Maskelyne. Start at the beginning
in this one.
Msg #38492 Dated 22:18:13 03-29-92 38458 <--> 38536
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SLEEP
"How does this relate to what I do" I find that Nelms has very
little to say that "relates" to what I, or the people I admire
and try to emulate, do. I read things over several times and find
little that helps.
Msg #38493 Dated 22:18:22 03-29-92 38459 <--> 38501
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Sleights and props are tools. "IT" is skill in presentation. The
block of marble is made to look like David through the artist's
skill - not through tools. Modern tools are better than the ones
Michaelangelo used - They produce Mount Rushmore - not David.
Msg #38499 Dated 22:56:56 03-29-92 38482 <--> 38502
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DMS - REPORT #2
Am sure the Sheetman reads magic, but not theory, showmanship...
etc... let's ask the dude?
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